Hot Topic Will Elijah Hollands get another gig at Carlton?

[Aphrodite]

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[Soapy V]

You know this, how?

Not sure the PA would approve that.

He would be paid out and then if he re signs it's a new minimum deal. As you said PA wouldn't allow otherwise

 

[Soapy V]

The rumour mongers making out like his transgression is so bad he can't be allowed back at the club whilst he's literally already back at the club.

That decision is already made. It's over to him to now keep his shit together for another couple of months. I'll be so pleased for the guy and the club if he can do it.

Where has anyone said that?

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

This is what I really struggle with and don't understand

He has another year on contract and they delist him and pay him out. I am going to assume $300k plus minimum.

Then they invite him back and may then sign him for another year. An SSP rookie is still around of $100k plus match payments. So if he gets back he is on more money than orginally agreed?

Jaxon Binns was paid out and moved on elsewhere. No coming back

Has this ever happened before? I know there are circumstances but it's strange

I reckon if a player is payed out(sacked) and then receives another contract(either from another club or his most recent club), then the new salary would be deducted from the amount already recieved.
Can't see why the AFLPA would have any issues with that.

 

[Soapy V]

I reckon if a player is payed out(sacked) and then receives another contract(either from another club or his most recent club), then the new salary would be deducted from the amount already recieved.
Can't see why the AFLPA would have any issues with that.

I can. The PA would never allow that. There are minimums that must be paid

EH contract was terminated by club and would have been paid out. Has to happen. If he then re signs they then can't go we have already paid you so no need for new contract. At the moment he isn't a Carlton player. That ended when delisted

If he gets SSP deal he will be on minimum contract set by PA for this spot. You can't negotiate down a minimum contract

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

I can. The PA would never allow that. There are minimums that must be paid

EH contract was terminated by club and would have been paid out. Has to happen. If he then re signs they then can't go we have already paid you so no need for new contract.

If he gets SSP deal he will be on minimum contract set by PA for this spot. You can't negotiate down a minimum contract

So a player has to receive 2 salaries in this situation?

There must be someone here with some legal experience in this general area.

At the end of the day, the club would have enough salary cap space this year to comfortably absorb the arrangement.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

So a player has to receive 2 salaries in this situation?

There must be someone here with some legal experience in this general area.

At the end of the day, the club would have enough salary cap space this year to comfortably absorb the arrangement.

Elijah’s payout would have covered only guaranteed components of his contract (such as base salary, excluding match payments and ASA), and even then, it likely wasn’t the full amount given the circumstances.

His new contract (if he gets one) would include an offset clause, meaning any guaranteed payout previously received would be factored into the terms of the new deal.

 

[marcmurphy3]

It would depend what's been negotiated between Elijahs management and the club.

Suspect he received a reduced payout with an agreement he gets the full amount if not succesful in a rookie spot.

Considering Lij's indiscretions and want to continue his career, Id think him and his management would have been amenable.

 

[The Bighouse]

EH with some Jagga

Troubled star digging in to regain contract after tough axing

'He's been really proactive'

www.nine.com.au

 

[Stamos]

I can. The PA would never allow that. There are minimums that must be paid

EH contract was terminated by club and would have been paid out. Has to happen. If he then re signs they then can't go we have already paid you so no need for new contract. At the moment he isn't a Carlton player. That ended when delisted

If he gets SSP deal he will be on minimum contract set by PA for this spot. You can't negotiate down a minimum contract

That's not right.
Contracted players have been delisted before, and re-signed by their clubs through the rookie draft. They don't get extra money, nor if they are signed by another club. The new contracted (which is likely an AFLPA minimum) is deducted from what the original club owes/pays.

 

[GoBlues!]

This is what I really struggle with and don't understand

He has another year on contract and they delist him and pay him out. I am going to assume $300k plus minimum.

Then they invite him back and may then sign him for another year. An SSP rookie is still around of $100k plus match payments. So if he gets back he is on more money than orginally agreed?

Jaxon Binns was paid out and moved on elsewhere. No coming back

Has this ever happened before? I know there are circumstances but it's strange

It does seem strange.

Option 1 - The club could have just stuck to his original contract, continued to support him, hope he sorts his issues out - fiscally responsible…It did that for the last 12 months without great success.

Option 2 - delisting him is a form of shock therapy. He hasn’t been relisted yet and if he is he knows he’s on his absolute last chance. Club may end up spending some extra dollars but in the scheme of things it may be the kick up the arse that gets the outcome that’s important.

Club probably believes option 2 gives them more control and a better chance to get the outcome we want, a reformed EH playing his best for the club.

 

[Soapy V]

That's not right.
Contracted players have been delisted before, and re-signed by their clubs through the rookie draft. They don't get extra money, nor if they are signed by another club. The new contracted (which is likely an AFLPA minimum) is deducted from what the original club owes/pays.

Delisted with a year to go in contract and then re signed through SSP? Where has that happened before?

This is very different to delisting and then picking up as rookie

Are you saying he has been paid out a limited amount with rest next year if he gets new deal?

How do you do a deal when there is yet no guarantee of a spot?

 

[Will_Hayward]

It does seem strange.

Option 1 - The club could have just stuck to his original contract, continued to support him, hope he sorts his issues out - fiscally responsible…It did that for the last 12 months without great success.

Option 2 - delisting him is a form of shock therapy. He hasn’t been relisted yet and if he is he knows he’s on his absolute last chance. Club may end up spending some extra dollars but in the scheme of things it may be the kick up the arse that gets the outcome that’s important.

Club probably believes option 2 gives them more control and a better chance to get the outcome we want, a reformed EH playing his best for the club.

If it was a foregone conclusion that we'd pick him up again then yes it would be strange. But I don't think that's the case, so in that light it does makes sense. And his payout is a sunk cost and not relevant to whether we pick him up again. You make a decision on what's best for the list now.

 

[Stamos]

Delisted with a year to go in contract and then re signed through SSP? Where has that happened before?

This is very different to delisting and then picking up as rookie

Are you saying he has been paid out a limited amount with rest next year if he gets new deal?

How do you do a deal when there is yet no guarantee of a spot?

Not through the SSP.
How is it different to getting picked back up in the rookie draft?
Both get delisted, and then go back onto the rookie list.

I'm saying, when players get paid out, if they get another contract that overlaps with the original contract, then the original club/contract just has to cover the difference.
The cut player doesn't get the new contract on top of the old contract.

 

[Soapy V]

Not through the SSP.
How is it different to getting picked back up in the rookie draft?
Both get delisted, and then go back onto the rookie list.

I'm saying, when players get paid out, if they get another contract that overlaps with the original contract, then the original club/contract just has to cover the difference.
The cut player doesn't get the new contract on top of the old contract.

He’s not guaranteed a spot and has to wait months to see if they do.

Never seen it before and feels strange to me that if he is given a spot it gets taken off what he would have been paid if kept.

Whole situation just makes no sense to me. JMO

 

[Stamos]

He’s not guaranteed a spot and has to wait months to see if they do.

Never seen it before and feels strange to me that if he is given a spot it gets taken off what he would have been paid if kept.

Whole situation just makes no sense to me. JMO

It's certainly unusual.

 

[CCurnow3picks]

How do we know EH was paid out his last year?

He may well have been in breach of contract & no doubt there would be summary dismissal clauses in every AFL player contract.

Bottom line is we don’t know & probably never will.

I hope he continues to make the most of the opportunity given to him by CFC. Looking positive so far.

One thing would be clear to Elijah post trade/draft period - talent only gets you so far.

 

[Limestone]

Father & sons …

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I love it that the dad has a cooler haircut than both his boys.

 

[Coona Blues]

This is what I really struggle with and don't understand

He has another year on contract and they delist him and pay him out. I am going to assume $300k plus minimum.

Then they invite him back and may then sign him for another year. An SSP rookie is still around of $100k plus match payments. So if he gets back he is on more money than orginally agreed?

Jaxon Binns was paid out and moved on elsewhere. No coming back

Has this ever happened before? I know there are circumstances but it's strange

If Elijah gets the spot, we won’t be getting the same player he has been, we will be getting the Elijah Hollands who was the talk of his draft class, the star.

He has been promising during his time at the Blues after an ordinary career with flashes of brilliance at the Suns. He has never reached the potential which kept him at the pointy end of the draft despite an ACL.

It will be worth every penny if we have to pay extra. One year contract, demanding he perform or perish. A fire has been lit under him that he will have to keep feeding or have his career extinguish.

Well done to the management. A sedate return to status quo with a degree of effort significantly less than 100%, which still puts him at a best 22/23 level. They have taken the opportunity to upgrade Elijah to the benefit of both him and the club. If he slips our loss of investment is “small”.

 

[sparkybagger]

It's rare (probably unique) in AFL circles, but I saw plenty of folks made redundant and paid out (sometimes quite generously) in other industries only to be hired back. I knew one bloke who has been laid off from the same Big 4 bank three times and still works there!

There were also similar circumstances when I was at the NFL where players were cut and re-signed within the same off-season. I worked with one ex-player who demanded and got a signing bonus for his trouble after he'd been cut thinking his career was probably over. The contractual situation in the NFL is different where there are technically no guaranteed contracts, but there's often "cut" clauses that mean the player receives at least a year's salary but it comes off the team's cap.

 

[GoBlues!]

If Elijah gets the spot, we won’t be getting the same player he has been, we will be getting the Elijah Hollands who was the talk of his draft class, the star.

It will be worth every penny if we have to pay extra. One year contract, demanding he perform or perish. A fire has been lit under him that he will have to keep feeding or have his career extinguish.

Well done to the management. A sedate return to status quo with a degree of effort significantly less than 100%, which still puts him at a best 22/23 level. They have taken the opportunity to upgrade Elijah to the benefit of both him and the club. If he slips our loss of investment is “small”.

We’ll said Coona.

It will be money well spent if we get the outcome and see the full potential of EH.

In the words of Paul Keating - it’s the recession (kick up the arse) he had to have.

 

[Sonny Jim]

If EH is forced to jump through all these hoops to not get picked up.... something strange is going on

No.
How is that any different to any other train on player?
There are no guarantees for anyone.

 

[LanceRomance]

No.
How is that any different to any other train on player?
There are no guarantees for anyone.

Yeah nah, this is more public

 

[lily of laguna]

I heard Lij turns water into wine

Lij has really struck out…………………………


not only is he a very naughty boy but he is also the (big footy) messiah!!!!!

(Apologies to Monty Python)

 

[Jacks Seething Rage]

Good to see him at the pointy end of time trials.

Keep grinding Elijah.

 

[lily of laguna]

Yeah nah, this is more public

Perhaps but public perception does not automatically equal reality.

I’m sure Lij is very aware of what the criteria are and that even if he makes amends there is still no guarantees because of overall list strategy.

Whatever some random people online or out in the general populace think regarding the situation, it will have no bearing on list management and not should it.