Hot Topic Will Elijah Hollands get another gig at Carlton?

[Aphrodite]

No speculating on alleged 'rumours'

Thanks all!

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Thanks all!

 

[Jacks Seething Rage]

True, but after 12 months of taking care of him and not getting the response you want, an organisation has to weigh up are we going to get another 12 months of this? An organisation has to also think of the other 40 players busting their guts and the impact of diverting energy and time to an individual at the expense of others.

PS: I really want to see EH fulfill his potential and play his best at Carlton, I love a good redemption story. Hoping this is the outcome.

The thing is...this thread exists because we know of Elijah's issues. There will be another half dozen on the list trudging through some heavy personal matters that we thankfully don't know about. There will be a final line...but I'd much rather we go the distance than jettison damaged people as we did with Yarran.

If people didn't back me at my worst, I wouldn't have blossomed into the low to average performer I am today.

 

[Bearded Carpenter]

The thing is...this thread exists because we know of Elijah's issues. There will be another half dozen on the list trudging through some heavy personal matters that we thankfully don't know about. There will be a final line...but I'd much rather we go the distance than jettison damaged people as we did with Yarran.

If people didn't back me at my worst, I wouldn't have blossomed into the low to average performer I am today.

Regardless of how you turned out, tipping it’s better than if they hadn’t have backed you. Low to average is better than quite a few

 

[xDQ82x]

Elijah as it stands is still not expected to be on the list come next season.

So clearly if some are being told otherwise the playing group and club must be spilt.

 

[reubsblues]

Elijah as it stands is still not expected to be on the list come next season.

So clearly if some are being told otherwise the playing group and club must be spilt.

Maybe you've been told bs
Unless your source is a list manager or coach

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Elijah as it stands is still not expected to be on the list come next season.

So clearly if some are being told otherwise the playing group and club must be spilt.

Doesn't make much sense to give a train on spot to someone 'not expected to be on the list' next season

 

[Andonis1997]

Doesn't make much sense to give a train on spot to someone 'not expected to be on the list' next season

And to have them at a training camp with the boys?

 

[GoBlues!]

Only 80 more days of will he or won’t he be on the list next year, he deserves another chance and no he doesn’t deserve a third chance, stuff him he’s burnt his bridges no the club should help him etc.

It’s gonna be a tough preseason, not for the players but for supporters on this forum….

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Doesn't make much sense to give a train on spot to someone 'not expected to be on the list' next season

QED.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Pretty darn obvious that the issues are way past the 'disharmony in locker room' stage....

 

[teddy-hopkins]

The thing is...this thread exists because we know of Elijah's issues. There will be another half dozen on the list trudging through some heavy personal matters that we thankfully don't know about. There will be a final line...but I'd much rather we go the distance than jettison damaged people as we did with Yarran.

If people didn't back me at my worst, I wouldn't have blossomed into the low to average performer I am today.

If booting people out the door was THE solution to all of our cultural issues why didn't it work after we gave the ass to Stocker, Bootsma, Angwin, Yarran, etc.?

At some point we have to grow up as a club. Like Geelong who can actively recruit a problem child (Mitch Clark / Bailey Smith / etc.) and have the confidence that the club is strong enough culturally to deal with it.

Dumping people is a cop out and a good way to avoid dealing with the actual issues.

 

[Soapy V]

Elijah as it stands is still not expected to be on the list come next season.

So clearly if some are being told otherwise the playing group and club must be spilt.

Yep. I can't confirm anything 100% but I know many feel it's unlikely

It's why I am cautious and believe we are keeping him close to help him through things. As I keep saying what Elijah has done and is dealing with will not be solved in a couple of months

It is not as simple as getting through pre season well and then all is okay. That is simply the first step in a longer journey

My "Opinion/Guess" is he will do pre season and then play VFL for us. All being well.

 

[Soapy V]

If booting people out the door was THE solution to all of our cultural issues why didn't it work after we gave the ass to Stocker, Bootsma, Angwin, Yarran, etc.?

At some point we have to grow up as a club. Like Geelong who can actively recruit a problem child (Mitch Clark / Bailey Smith / etc.) and have the confidence that the club is strong enough culturally to deal with it.

Dumping people is a cop out and a good way to avoid dealing with the actual issues.

I'm really tired of this

Lumping people into a group is naive. EVERY case and person is different. Some want help, some need to be moved on to hopefully shake them up. Sometimes people need to take personal responsibility. The names you mention were at a different time, with different people in different circumstances

The club is NOT responsibile for actions outside of the club. We can try and create an environment that is best for most but even then people will make mistakes, do the wrong things and struggle

Elijah is dealing with a specific set of circumstances with much brought on by his own actions. That is on him. The club has done so much and tried to help him and still are. He has been given support and numeorus chances. Many wanted him gone

Everybody loves a redemption story and I wish him the best and at the moment he is really trying, but it's not as simple as many make out and there is a long long way to go

 

[McConville]

I'm really tired of this

Lumping people into a group is naive. EVERY case and person is different. Some want help, some need to be moved on to hopefully shake them up. Sometimes people need to take personal responsibility. The names you mention were at a different time, with different people in different circumstances

The club is NOT responsibile for actions outside of the club. We can try and create an environment that is best for most but even then people will make mistakes, do the wrong things and struggle

Elijah is dealing with a specific set of circumstances brought on by his own actions. That is on him. The club has done so much and tried to help him and still are. He has been given support and numeorus chances. Many wanted him gone

Everybody loves a redemption story and I wish him the best and at the moment he is really trying, but it's not as simple as many make out and there is a long long way to go

Agree. Where did Mitch Clarke come from? Know him and was never a 'problem child'. He had proper clinical depression. Completely different from the other names mentioned.

 

[Jacks Seething Rage]

Pretty darn obvious that the issues are way past the 'disharmony in locker room' stage....

How so?

 

[JimmyRabbit49]

Doesn't make much sense to give a train on spot to someone 'not expected to be on the list' next season

There are more people being given train on spots than there are spots so it makes perfect sense

 

[Jacks Seething Rage]

There are more people being given train on spots than there are spots so it makes perfect sense

Well yes, otherwise they would.just be signed.

I think the point is when it's two train ons for every available spot it's in a clubs interest to give opportunities to guys who have a genuine chance.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

There are more people being given train on spots than there are spots so it makes perfect sense

Well yes, otherwise they would.just be signed.

I think the point is whenn it's two train ons for every available spot it's in a clubs interest to give opportunities to guys who have a genuine chance.

This.

 

[Soapy V]

This.

Maybe there is more to it? We don't have to select these players. We can pick from anywhere

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Doesn't make much sense to give a train on spot to someone 'not expected to be on the list' next season

Sounds to me like a bit of tough love and he's not being given the chance to think a list spot is in the bag automatically "if he gets through to February"

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Maybe there is more to it? We don't have to select these players. We can pick from anywhere

There's no logical reason we'd bring him to train on for a final list spot if we're no chance of picking him. And if that truly is our plan, whoever was in charge of formulating it should be shown the door for being a dumbass.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Pretty darn obvious that the issues are way past the 'disharmony in locker room' stage....

The only thing that's obvious is that no-one really knows

 

[Soapy V]

There's no logical reason we'd bring him to train on for a final list spot if we're no chance of picking him. And if that truly is our plan, whoever was in charge of formulating it should be shown the door for being a dumbass.

I think there is a very logical reason(s) that are about more than just football

and NO ONE has said there is NO chance of him getting a spot

 

[marcmurphy3]

There's no logical reason we'd bring him to train on for a final list spot if we're no chance of picking him. And if that truly is our plan, whoever was in charge of formulating it should be shown the door for being a dumbass.

100%

Delist a kid with issues. Tell him to come back and train. Smashes it.

"Sorry I know you did everything asked of you but it turns out we still can't trust you or look past what you did last year. Best of luck!".

If we are trying to help him deal with his issues, Im not sure giving him false hope will be great for him.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

There's no logical reason we'd bring him to train on for a final list spot if we're no chance of picking him. And if that truly is our plan, whoever was in charge of formulating it should be shown the door for being a dumbass.

Only reason I can think of is to keep some people happy, if that is an issue internally

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

I think there is very logical reason(s)

That's great Soapy, but you speaking in vague obscurities really doesn't provide much to the discussion.

You've continually alluded to some sort of cataclysmic rift that's present re Elijah... But he's at training, at pre season camp, garnering praise from an assistant coach in the media... It just doesn't pass the smell test without the context/information you refuse to provide.