Religion Bondi shooting - 16 confirmed dead at Jewish event

[10571z]

How does one get on the ASIO watch list?

 

[Bloods86]

You're right that it's not a competition but one group's terror atrocities massively eclipses the other. It's not even close.

Until that's addressed, people will continue to engage in whataboutism and keep making excuses instead of facing the issue head on and the violence will continue.

Christianity?

 

[evolved2]

Solving those issues will take generations and are extremely complex, but this is the first mass shooting we've had here in a long time and all the guns were legally owned. It's about preventing another act like this.

I don't think it's complex. Militant Islam is associated with terrorism. We've seen knife attacks elsewhere in the world from Islamic militants. Banning guns wont fix this.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

We don't really need cigarettes either.

We don't need to go bush walking or surfing.

Anything else we should make illegal that kills people?

Up here in Darwin edged weapons are a problem. Do we ban all edged weapons? We can just use plastic knives.

Drunk drivers kill a lot of people. We don't need alcohol either. So the govt should ban alcohol.

I'm all for tighter controls. But let's not kid ourselves.

All those things can't kill as many people in minutes like a gun can?

 

[Fire]

I know it is early and the dust will settle, and a lot of what has been reported might not be true; but if they were on an ASIO watch list because they pledged loyalty to the IS, then perhaps ASIO need to do a little more than watching. Especially if one of them is on a visa and should be very easily dealt with.

 

[Grumpyshades]

How will a further tightening of gun laws fix problems associated with radical Islam?

yep..gun laws are a factor, but it's just camouflage for the real cause and issue

 

[Obeanie1]

All those things can't kill as many people in minutes like a gun can?

Vehicles can.

And do.

Every week.

 

[Sentinel]

One of the deceased was Melbourne man Reuven Morrison. Based on the photo below with the hat, body shape and white beard, he may have been the 2nd brave hero on the scene alongside Ahmed Al Ahmed who chased the terrorist away?

 

[ITCHY EYEBALLS]

my brother lives in the NT on some land, he regularly hunts, hed have at least ten guns.. .22, mid size rifles, shot guns, and high powered rifles. each for a different type of shooting.

I don’t know how anyone could disagree with this comment…ignorance I suppose

 

[Obeanie1]

How does one get on the ASIO watch list?

If you post that question online.

You get added to it.

 

[kalex6251]

How will a further tightening of gun laws fix problems associated with radical Islam?

......

Wieambilla shootings - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[10571z]

If you post that question online.

You get added to it.

But legitimately, what types of things get the son on there?

 

[MrBarry]

What does banning multiple gun ownership do to achieve preventing this sort of attacks seems performative? Even if the father owned 30 guns, they are only able to carry out such an attack with 1 weapon at a time.

I'm for strict laws everywhere, but people have this idea that if someone owns 10 rifles somehow they can stage an attack with all of them simultaneously....

 

[Ghost Patrol]

my brother lives in the NT on some land, he regularly hunts, hed have at least ten guns.. .22, mid size rifles, shot guns, and high powered rifles. each for a different type of shooting.

Humans hunted larger prey with lesser weapons for thousands of years. Guns aren't necessary for hunting, they just make it easier.

 

[Fluro Boots]

6 guns for a licensed shooter isn't at all uncommon or outrageous as it seems for those not into hunting/rifle shooting. I do a bit of hunting, and have 3 which is a pretty low number for hunters/property owners, I would think most keen hunters, or those that have been doing it for a while would probably have something like a 22lr, .223, .308 and a shotgun. Different guns for different jobs. I'm not for banning guns as I think rifle shooting and/or hunting are valid recreational pursuits. Happy to go through the process of meeting legislative requirements and support the requirements for genuine reasons, training and safe storage.

 

[Obeanie1]

Guns have a single purpose. To kill stuff.

As far as Im aware bush walking and surfing serve a few purposes, none of which are to kill stuff.

Being drunk and driving is never not illegal, too.

If this is your best then my plan would be simple and massively popular.

It isn't illegal to drink.

It's illegal to drink AND drive.

Why? Because it endangers life because you are operating a vehicle illegally.

Your plan involves punishing people who are not criminals.

That is never popular.

 

[10571z]

What does banning multiple gun ownership do to achieve preventing this sort of attacks seems performative? Even if the father owned 30 guns, they are only able to carry out such an attack with 1 weapon at a time.

I'm for strict laws everywhere, but people have this idea that if someone owns 10 rifles somehow they can stage an attack with all of them simultaneously....

The son was on a terrorism watch list and people are speaking about tightening gun laws…

He obviously did things to alert the authority’s. Should have had a one way ticket back to the Middle East.

 

[10571z]

Recreational hunting is a vital part of Australian land management. Plenty of my friends hunt deer and without people doing so we’d see even higher numbers of wild deer which is a massive problem.

Maybe taking guns off known Terrorist suspects families would be a good start.

 

[nut]

If you post that question online.

You get added to it.

Not If you end with “ asking for a friend”

 

[kickazz]

But legitimately, what types of things get the son on there?

No idea but I'd guess social media profiling would be a big one. If you are friends or friends of friends or linked to or go to same places as known fiends. That sort of thing?

 

[Johnny Bananas]

You think that its not vile to protest Palestine in Bondi ...TODAY?

Please explain...why you think it was OK to protest about Palestine at Bondi today.?
A show of support for the gunmen?
Holding the citizens of Bondi responsible for the situation in Israel.?
WHAT?

Whoever organized it did not do their cause any favours. Blatant hate peddling.

Because Zionist people are already using this attack as justification for Zionism and labelling anti-Zionism as antisemitism. The protesting is about pushing back against that appropriation. If you think it's about supporting the gunmen, then you're a sick individual.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

If you post that question online.

You get added to it.

Can confirm, ASIO have logged a ticket already

 

[ferball]

You're right that it's not a competition but one group's terror atrocities massively eclipses the other. It's not even close.

Until that's addressed, people will continue to engage in whataboutism and keep making excuses instead of facing the issue head on and the violence will continue.

One of the most prominent US political commentators at the time of the Iraq war called for the forced conversion of all Iraqi's to Christianity and if they refused they should be killed. George W Bush called the war a crusade by God's chosen nation.

Why is there a difference between that and terrorism?

The guy that started that war (Dubya) claimed the violence was being done on behalf of God, specificaly his god but its the same god for Jewsish people, Christian people and Islamic people.

You might not see that war as Christian violence but how do you know ISIS doesn't see it that way? It was that war that birthed them.

 

[10571z]

Because Zionist people are already using this attack as justification for Zionism and labelling anti-Zionism as antisemitism. The protesting is about pushing back against that appropriation. If you think it's about supporting the gunmen, then you're a sick individual.

The protestors need to get a job. Find a new hobby.

Everyone is over the clowns.

 

[ferball]

Less than 24 hours and there we have it a pro-Palestinian, keffiyeh wearing person at the Bondi vigil. It doesn’t matter than she was Jewish. What matters is that it demonstrates a clear lack of compassion and respect.

Too many modern day progressives are the exact counter to their predecessors. Their “silence is violence” and unwillingness to let a vigil happen without it wanting to also include their issue demonstrates their underlying objective to have complete control of the narrative.

The pathway to resolution includes more open debate and more critical thinking but many modern day progressives see this as a threat which is why they look to cancel, deplatform, blockade and chase off campuses.

Regards

S. Pete

It does matter that she was Jewish.

She is part of the community that was attacked by terrorists yesterday.