Religion Bondi shooting - 16 confirmed dead at Jewish event

[SnakeMan86]

Another 7 arrested just days after planning another attack……”only 2” aged well.

Literally couldnt get a worse facepalm.

“2 out of 27 million”

Once again, the dismissiveness is abhorrent and is what caused this.

On october 8th, many radical muslims were at the steps of the opera house chanting f the jews, wheres the jews and the other slogan i wont mention. Before israel even responded.

“Only 2 out of 27 million”

“Only 2 out of 27 million”

Oh hey, your back.

Your post claimed "you were afraid of what Australia has become" after this event.

2.5million dollars was raised in less than a week for the hero.

50,000 appointments were booked and a total of 7810 donations of blood, plasma and platelets were made from across the nation, with 1300 of those coming from first time donors, in less than a week.

This is what Australia is. Your fear mongering extremism is more dividing than anything else.

 

[blue boy]

Oh hey, your back.

Your post claimed "you were afraid of what Australia has become" after this event.

2.5million dollars was raised in less than a week for the hero.

50,000 appointments were booked and a total of 7810 donations of blood, plasma and platelets were made from across the nation, with 1300 of those coming from first time donors, in less than a week.

This is what Australia is. Your fear mongering extremism is more dividing than anything else.

Im taking issue with you saying more than once “only 2”. Not 2 out of 1,000, “2 out of 27 million”.

Are you able to address this statement?

 

[sherb]

Is being more careful with mass migration from muslim countries islamophobic?

Again, it depends on how you define "more careful".

As for your claim of "mass migration", have you the figures on the current immigration intake from Muslim countries? Just to clarify for the sake of this discussion.

 

[Gough]

Susssssan's having a moment on ABC.

 

[Sphynx]

Not to be callous, but in Australia we have schools that aren't going to get 2000 pound bombs dropped on them. This is a good thing.

Is that the bar we are going to set for our societies expectations?

There’s schools getting bombed in Gaza so it could be worse and we are going OK in comparison?

Don’t advocate for gay rights, because you could get flogged in Saudi Arabia?

When crime rises, look at the perspective, we aren’t Haiti?

Trying to improve gender equality, It’s alright, because you could be in Iran?



We have a minimum expectation in this country for many things, safe schooling from racial persecution and abuse for our children is certainly a minimum expectation I would have thought.

 

[SnakeMan86]

Imagine a thread full of 99% non jews defending the pm who jews have been warning for 2 years straight was abhorrently weak and dismissive of the rising threat.

Imagine a thread full of non jews, who’s biggest concern this week is what ice cream they tuck into after dinner, thinking they understand what jews are going through in this country/thinking they experts on anti semitism.

I am not jewish but its not difficult for me to have common sense and go, they were right on the gov’t. Dead right.

Its also not difficult for me to understand the radical islam problem which targets ALL OF US.

I know you all have 0 problems in life, but get your heads out of the sand ffs

Imagine a thread, where a poster who has never cared about the Jewish community before.. uses this tragedy as a means to push his own divisive agenda..

 

[Sphynx]

So the antisemitism envoy is a fiction of our imagination?


Racial vilification laws - which the right campaigned hard against - are a figment of our imagination?

It wasn’t just the right.

 

[Festerz]

3.50 in this video outlines the measures taken by the federal government to combat antisemitism.

An excellent and detailed take down of the shrill 'Albanese has done nothing to combat anti-semitism' empty rhetoric that has spewed from current and former Liberal Party MPs mouths and cut and pasted into mainstream and social media commentary without any hit of impartial critical analysis.

Here are the things that have been done. And as friendly jordies says - what more specifically - other than introducing 'thought crime' could have or should have been done by the Federal Government prior to last weekend?

 

[The Dice Man]

An excellent and detailed take down of the empty 'Albanese has done nothing to combat anti-semitism' that has spewed from current and former Liberal Party mouths and cut and pasted into mainstream and social media commentary.

Here are the things that have been done. And as friendly jordies says - what more specifically - other than introducing 'thought crime' could have or should have been done by the Federal Government prior to last weekend?
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Good job. Its working well.... Prior to last weekend.

 

[blue boy]

Again, it depends on how you define "more careful".

As for your claim of "mass migration", have you the figures on the current immigration intake from Muslim countries? Just to clarify for the sake of this discussion.

Im not even talking about australia specifically. Its more notion that lefties call anyone adressing the clear issue islamophobic…..uk, france etc. clear high levels of muslim immigrants and anyone who calls for less is called islamophobic.

Id define more careful as cutting the amount by a certain number, lets say by 30%. And putting in place more thorough screening processes. Do you think this would be islamophobic?

 

[sherb]

Is that the bar we are going to set for our societies expectations?

There’s schools getting bombed in Gaza so it could be worse and we are going OK in comparison?

Don’t advocate for gay rights, because you could get flogged in Saudi Arabia?

When crime rises, look at the perspective, we aren’t Haiti?

Trying to improve gender equality, It’s alright, because you could be in Iran?



We have a minimum expectation in this country for many things, safe schooling from racial persecution and abuse is certainly a minimum expectation I would have thought.

Sadly, that is the bar that our government, our opposition and much of our society has set and accepted, due to their support of Israel's actions in Gaza. So it is actually a relevant point here.

The irony of this of course is that it is those very actions of Israel that have likely led to the increase in anti-semitism in recent times. (Wrongly of course, because what the state of Israel does is not the fault of Jewish people here). Yet you don't hear those throwing blame around for this tragedy acknowledging that at all.

 

[Sphynx]

An excellent and detailed take down of the empty 'Albanese has done nothing to combat anti-semitism' that has spewed from current and former Liberal Party mouths and cut and pasted into mainstream and social media commentary.

Here are the things that have been done. And as friendly jordies says - what more specifically - other than introducing 'thought crime' could have or should have been done by the Federal Government prior to last weekend?
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Now compare it to other social initiatives.

This isn’t purely a discussion for antisemitism either.

As he appointed an envoy for islamaphobia also, and matched a lot of those initiatives and grants for that side of the fence.

Even combining the two, it was clearly a token effort given the % of the population it effects.

Certainly if you compare it to the amount of money they have had to throw at other things like family violence, mental health etc etc

$50m seems great, in perspective, it’s not, when it takes billions tackling other issues.

 

[Sphynx]

Sadly, that is the bar that our government, our opposition and much of our society has set and accepted, due to their support of Israel's actions in Gaza. So it is actually a relevant point here.

The irony of this of course is that it is those very actions of Israel that have likely led to the increase in anti-semitism in recent times. (Wrongly of course, because what the state of Israel does is not the fault of Jewish people here). Yet you don't hear those throwing blame around for this tragedy acknowledging that at all.

Why would they have to acknowledge it? Why do they even need to acknowledge it?

All you are describing then is the ignorance and stupidity of the general population.

As you said, a Ukrainian/Australian born Jew from Bondi is not a Zionist from Israel.

Just like my Indonesian Muslim friend is not a Syrian ISIS fighter.

If someone racialy abuses my friend and kills his family, should we just take a moment to acknowledge what ISIS did in Syria to the general population over there as some sort of validation and excuse to the rise in Islamophobia?

By extension, do we start making excuses for Islamic racial persecution absolutely everywhere because Islamic Extremists are killing members of the general public? I would have thought not….

 

[sherb]

Israel was a fan of this not that long ago...............

Israel praises 'controversial' new Australian laws as critics warn of 'serious injustice'

Terrorism and hate symbol offences will now carry a mandatory minimum sentence after the federal government passed new laws that are a departure from the Labor Party's national platform.

www.sbs.com.au

 

[sherb]

Why would they have to acknowledge it? Why do they even need to acknowledge it?

All you are describing then is the ignorance and stupidity of the general population.

As you said, a Australian born Jew from Bondi is not a Zionist from Israel.

Just like my Indonesian Muslim friend is not a Syrian ISIS fighter.

If someone racialy abuses my friend and kills his family, should we just take a moment to acknowledge what ISIS did in Syria to the general population over there as some sort of validation?

Because, as I said, Israel's atrocities are more than likely (actually in my view almost certainly) directly responsible for the rise in anti-semitism.

The connection between the two doesn't have be logical.

 

[1990crow]

And i understand you all voted for albo and by admitting its on his the gov, you admit you had a role to play in this.

But how about not being cowardly?

Are you talking to yourself?

 

[sherb]

Why would they have to acknowledge it? Why do they even need to acknowledge it?

All you are describing then is the ignorance and stupidity of the general population.

As you said, a Australian born Jew from Bondi is not a Zionist from Israel.

Just like my Indonesian Muslim friend is not a Syrian ISIS fighter.

If someone racialy abuses my friend and kills his family, should we just take a moment to acknowledge what ISIS did in Syria to the general population over there as some sort of validation and excuse to the rise in Islamophobia?

By extension, do we start making excuses for Islamic racial persecution absolutely everywhere because Islamic Extremists are killing members of the general public? I would have thought not….

Just to follow that point up, I forgot sorry, if you acknowledge and identify the source of a problem (in this case the rise of anti-semitism) it might just give you a chance of developing strategies to combat it.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Imagine a thread full of 99% non jews defending the pm who jews have been warning for 2 years straight was abhorrently weak and dismissive of the rising threat.

Imagine a thread full of non jews, who’s biggest concern this week is what ice cream they tuck into after dinner, thinking they understand what jews are going through in this country/thinking they experts on anti semitism.

I am not jewish but its not difficult for me to have common sense and go, they were right on the gov’t. Dead right.

Its also not difficult for me to understand the radical islam problem which targets ALL OF US.

I know you all have 0 problems in life, but get your heads out of the sand ffs

Everyone has their own trauma; why is antisemitism special in the scheme of bigotry. Its not.

Good job. Its working well.... Prior to last weekend.

NO measure can be 100% effective. Chasing 100% leads to unintended consequences. Eg cray cray shit that the envoy spouted that criticism of israel = antisemitism. Basically turned her own position into a joke, and gaslit her own issue into less relevance.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

this is nice to see something good come from this.

I’m hoping he will donate most of it. He was very brave but so were a lot of others.

 

[Sphynx]

Because, as I said, Israel's atrocities are more than likely (actually in my view almost certainly) directly responsible for the rise in anti-semitism.

The connection between the two doesn't have be logical.

Hatred of Jews predates the modern state of Israel by centuries. What we are seeing now is opportunistic projection. Existing prejudices being given a contemporary excuse.

 

[Festerz]

Good job. Its working well.

Ahh yes - the clever one liner. As if we haven't had enough of those in this thread.

What specifically should have been done by the Prime Minister and his government.

Did you watch the video? Its point is that the legislation and regulations enacted by the current government far outweigh what has been done previously.

Of course there will be midwits saying that more money should be put on the table to combat anti-semitism. Why not $500m instead of $50m they ask rhetorically - that would show that Albanese was 'serious' about tackling anti-semitism. Anything less is just 'tokenism' according to them. But those midwits are never able to outline specifically for what purpose and how that extra money, beyond what is already being spent, would improve steps to combat something that has no government anywhere in the world has successfully been able to stamp out since the beginning of time.

The point made by FJ is that there are most definitely pointed criticisms that need to be made when it comes to inaction - specifically against the AFP and ASIO who have made no secret of the fact that one of the mass murders was on their radar well before the Bondi massacre.

The failure is not on the current PM for not doing enough. It is on the intelligence service and AFP failing to act using the legislative powers and the substantial funding that was already at their disposal.

WHY are the likes of Ley, Howard and Frydenberg and their supporters in the media not attacking them for their inaction as opposed to using the massacre as an opportunity for cheap partisan political attacks?

I think we all know. I posted this in the Frydenberg thread but it is probably even more suited here:

 

[sherb]

Everyone has their own trauma; why is antisemitism special in the scheme of bigotry. Its not.

NO measure can be 100% effective. Chasing 100% leads to unintended consequences. Eg cray cray shit that the envoy spouted that criticism of israel = antisemitism. Basically turned her own position into a joke, and gaslit her own issue into less relevance.

Plus she made ordinary Jews, who have nothing to do with the state of Israel's behaviour, a potential target for crazies.

Because, in their mind, "Jewish people = Israel".

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Jewish (and Muslim) schools have had armed guard presence for 20 years
Largely funded by grants given by Federal and State governments
The fact it is needed is sad, but its not new which is what Josh was trying to paint against Albo

It’s been stepped up much more now.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Just like my Indonesian Muslim friend is not a Syrian ISIS fighter.

If someone racialy abuses my friend and kills his family, should we just take a moment to acknowledge what ISIS did in Syria to the general population over there as some sort of validation and excuse to the rise in Islamophobia?

By extension, do we start making excuses for Islamic racial persecution absolutely everywhere because Islamic Extremists are killing members of the general public? I would have thought not….

Well, its probably a reasonable thing to note that ISIS actions have led to a rise in Islamophobia
but then the main responsibility should be on the ****stick who did the abuse on your friend and kills his family.

there is too much dilution of personal responsibility thinking that "education" and "cultural change" and "legislation" can prevent everything bad and when it fails the blame falls on the leaders. People make bad choices and need to be accountable for their own choices

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Possibly - terrorism is a real threat. Blaming it on all immigrants and Albanese is just ragey idiocy.

Did I do that?