Religion Bondi shooting - 16 confirmed dead at Jewish event

[SBD Gonzalez]

The JCA are a far left organization.

You can’t use their opinion as gospel and claim people are simply disagreeing with them on political grounds and then disregard sections of the same community because their messages are aligning with the right side of politics and you don’t like what they are saying…

Both have something to say and worth listening to atm imo. I enjoy Sarah’s opinion, I’m also not dismissing angry members of their community because they seem to have sided with the LNP over the ALP.

Neither speak for their entire community and both are absolutely biased.

LOL “far left”. They believe Palestinians are human beings. Is that a far left belief now?

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

What do you say the "right have done" since the massacre ? If any have been, what untruths have been peddled and by whom ?

I can think of half a dozen lies or half truths in Josh Frydenberg’s speech for starters.

 

[Sphynx]

LOL “far left”. They believe Palestinians are human beings. Is that a far left belief now?

Nope, it’s not. Plenty on the right believe they are human beings also.

Doesn’t change my statement.

The JCA are a very left progressive organization. It’s why you like them so much (that is not a knock on you or on them btw….)

 

[Mr Blicavs]

 

[Sphynx]

I can think of half a dozen lies or half truths in Josh Frydenberg’s speech for starters.

Yeah, that’s rewriting the narrative.

They were angry at Albo way before Josh showed up.

I’d suggest listening to what they have to say for a change instead of dismissing it on party grounds.

It’s what’s fueling the flames atm tbh

It’s not the big bad LNP or the right side of politics…

It’s an angry and upset racial minority that want to be heard.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Nope, it’s not. Plenty on the right believe they are human beings also.

Doesn’t change my statement.

The JCA are a very left progressive organization. It’s why you like them so much (that is not a knock on you or on them btw….)

Plenty on the right maybe do, but plenty on the right definitely don’t, and I have the same contempt for them that I have for radical Muslims who refuse to acknowledge the basic humanity of Jews.

Meanwhile the JCA overwhelmingly takes as its philosophical starting point the basic decency and humanity of all peoples regardless of race or creed, and that gives them far greater credibility on this fraught conflict.

 

[Goroyals22]

Yeah, that’s rewriting the narrative.

They were angry at Albo way before Josh showed up.

I’d suggest listening to what they have to say for a change instead of dismissing it on party grounds.

It’s what’s fueling the flames atm tbh

It’s not the big bad LNP or the right side of politics…

It’s an angry and upset racial minority that want to be heard.

Interesting those having a sook about poor old jellyfish albo coping s few boos would have been fine with Morrison coping it at the bush fires..

Also for such a huge apparently right wing rally no mention of the heroes welcome Chris minns got for his actions this week.

 

[Sphynx]

Plenty on the right maybe do, but plenty on the right definitely don’t, and I have the same contempt for them that I have for radical Muslims who refuse to acknowledge the basic humanity of Jews.

Meanwhile the JCA overwhelmingly takes as its philosophical starting point the basic decency and humanity of all peoples regardless of race or creed, and that gives them far greater credibility on this fraught conflict.

I don’t think anyone in this thread should profess to tell another racial minority how they should or shouldn’t feel about their racial persecution tbh.

 

[Sphynx]

Interesting those having a sook about poor old jellyfish albo coping s few boos would have been fine with Morrison coping it at the bush fires..

Also for such a huge apparently right wing rally no mention of the heroes welcome Chris minns got for his actions this week.

It’s a fair point regarding Minns.

Plibersek attended a funeral and didn’t receive heckling etc

Albo has committed a major own goal, I can’t find the post from earlier about “damned if he did damned if he didn’t”

Which is probably correct, however he’s been staying away for a week.

He’s the leader of the country, he should have been there the next day no matter how angry and upset the community were.

It’s only caused it to feed it and it’s a real political own goal, which is unusual for Albo, who like Andrew’s is a pure political animal at heart.

 

[1990crow]

What do you say the "right have done" since the massacre ? If any have been, what untruths have been peddled and by whom ?

You know

 

[Festerz]

The JCA are a far left organization.

Rubbish. But if you are sitting on the far right hand side of the train looking out the window everything on the other side looks far left

You can’t use their opinion as gospel

Straw man. No one is doing this.

Both have something to say and worth listening to atm imo.

That's the point.

Neither speak for their entire community

Exactly.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Yeah, that’s rewriting the narrative.

They were angry at Albo way before Josh showed up.

I’d suggest listening to what they have to say for a change instead of dismissing it on party grounds.

It’s what’s fueling the flames atm tbh

It’s not the big bad LNP or the right side of politics…

It’s an angry and upset racial minority that want to be heard.

Poster asked for examples of what untruths have been told by the right wing.

Frydenberg, former treasurer and probably the highest profile Jewish right winger in Australia, told several.

Just off the top of my head, he described Bondi as the worst massacre in Australia’s history (sadly, not even close)… he said protesters chanted “gas the Jews” when exhaustive forensic investigation concluded that although some hostile things were said, there was no evidence that was one of them… he said we were told the caravan filled with explosives was a hoax, while exhaustive police investigations revealed it was indeed a hoax… he said we were told the two nurses at Bankstown Hospital were joking… must be why they’ll be facing court soon…

I mean seriously, how unbelievably reckless is it for a former Federal Treasurer, the former deputy leader of the Liberal Party, to cast such aspersions on our law enforcement and justice system? I find it quite unbelievable. This is Trumpian levels of irresponsibility.

 

[Sphynx]

Rubbish. But if you are sitting on the right side of the train everything looks far right



Straw man. No one is doing this.




That's the point.




Exactly.

What about those that have the mental capacity and maturity to sit on both sides?

The childish left and right duopoly pot shotting is finally starting to die the slow death in this country. The sooner the better.

 

[Sphynx]

Poster asked for examples of what untruths have been told by the right wing.

Frydenberg, former treasurer and probably the highest profile Jewish right winger in Australia, told several.

Just off the top of my head, he described Bondi as the worst massacre in Australia’s history (sadly, not even close)… he said protesters chanted “gas the Jews” when exhaustive forensic investigation concluded that although some hostile things were said, there was no evidence that was one of them… he said we were told the caravan filled with explosives was a hoax, while exhaustive police investigations revealed it was indeed a hoax… he said we were told the two nurses at Bankstown Hospital were joking… must be why they’ll be facing court soon…

I mean seriously, how unbelievably reckless is it for a former Federal Treasurer, the former deputy leader of the Liberal Party, to cast such aspersions on our law enforcement and justice system? I find it quite unbelievable. This is Trumpian levels of irresponsibility.

Agreed.

But his comments are not the cause of this anger. You had people screaming at Albo from the moment the gunmen we’re shot dead.

Frydenberg, spoke what, 48 hours later?

Further, he’s blasted the shit out of the ALP on antisemitism for 18 months.

It’s not recent. If anything he’s being consistent.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

I don’t think anyone in this thread should profess to tell another racial minority how they should or shouldn’t feel about their racial persecution tbh.

Who’s doing that? Right wingers and left wingers are allowed to feel whatever they feel. I’m saying who I think has more credibility and why they do.

 

[Festerz]

What about those that have the mental capacity and maturity to sit on both sides?

The childish left and right duopoly pot shotting is finally starting to die the slow death in this country. The sooner the better.

You raised the childish 'far left' straw man to which I responded brother.

The JCA are a far left organization.

The JCA are a very left progressive organization.

If you're handing out free mental capacity assessments maybe try a bit of self healing.

 

[Sphynx]

Who’s doing that? Right wingers and left wingers are allowed to feel whatever they feel. I’m saying who I think has more credibility and why they do.

I was responding to your credibility comment.

If the Jewish community who are describing their experiences aren’t credible, then what are they?

 

[Hoop1888]

stupid people do stupid things....i know the puppet masters (ISIS) want to sow division in the West, but the two brainless idiots did more for the israeli cause than Mr. Yemini serving on the gaza front line.

Noticed that he works for Rebel News, not sure how well known they are in Australia, but one of the founders of the site will come to Europe usually after a crime committed by an immgrant or anti immigration protests to get reactions from people who will blabber on about 'there'll be more than them than us native people' 'our identity is dying out' etc. Oh, and he worked for that great friendnof Israel, Tommy Robinson.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

What about those that have the mental capacity and maturity to sit on both sides?

The childish left and right duopoly pot shotting is finally starting to die the slow death in this country. The sooner the better.

The JCA clearly does “sit on both sides” because unlike many rightwing Jewish organisations, they’re Jews who believe in justice for Jews and Palestinians.

In a conflict as tragic, protracted and seemingly intractable as Israel and Palestine, you choose to reduce it to the petty political binary you effect to disdain. Get a hold of yourself.

 

[Sphynx]

You raised the childish left right duopoly to which I responded brother.

Correct.

Because shock horror, all the same posters are JCA = good, everyone else = skynews.

You know what’s been disappointing following this thread, how few some of you have even conceded only some minor observations from the many many things we’ve seen and read.

Frydenberg is a good example. First it was the comments on the school, then it was a single comment on “largest massacre”. No other comments on the multiple interviews or articles he’s written or his experiences.

There was obvious immediate empathy for the event, but then on, seems to be zero balance.

There’s plenty of far right peanuts in here obviously, but some of you profess to be better…

 

[Markfs]

This will stir you up irrespective of what side of the political fence you're on...

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

I was responding to your credibility comment.

If the Jewish community who are describing their experiences aren’t credible, then what are they?

I didn’t say they aren’t credible.

If they’ve shown no inclination to consider the human dignity of their enemies in the Israel-Palestine conflict, they are less credible.

Not that complicated.

 

[Sphynx]

The JCA clearly does “sit on both sides” because unlike many rightwing Jewish organisations, they’re Jews who believe in justice for Jews and Palestinians.

In a conflict as tragic, protracted and seemingly intractable as Israel and Palestine, you choose to reduce it to the petty political binary you effect to disdain. Get a hold of yourself.

Judaism doesnt automatically make you right wing.

I’m kind of shocked you just wrote (or are inferring that) that tbh.

 

[Festerz]

There’s plenty of far right peanuts in here obviously, but some of you profess to be better…

There you go again with that childish left/right binary thing again.

This poster has a word to say about that..

The childish left and right duopoly pot shotting is finally starting to die the slow death in this country. The sooner the better.

Oops- that was you wasn't it?

Shot yourself in the foot there buddy.

 

[Sphynx]

There you go again with that childish left/right binary thing again.

This poster has a word to say about that..



Oops- that was you wasn't it?

Shot yourself in the foot there buddy.

You aren’t left/right binary?

I’ve seen zero proof to the contrary.