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One is overrated and not very good and the other is NOT KP.
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News incoming ???
4flagsin5yrs
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Kemp's injury on top of the Charlie/Harry stuff didn't help either!
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Is there something that Ferris can steal and post on the rumour board?
No rumour … just a fact.
Despite being a gun player, Zac Butters is just the wrong play for Carlton for a number of reasons.
People need to do themselves a favour and head into the new year with this nonsense behind them …
Agree.
I’ve said this before he’s all but stitched up at the dogs.Treloars last year as well and Libba nearly done.Theyve been at him since 2024.
He would be nice for us, but do we need him badly enough to pay the (ridiculous) price? I'm not sure he would be worth it. Better to get Cody Walker and look for someone else to draft with pace.
We've had a slow but steady midfield for quite a while. It will be very different with Jagga and Cody in it. That doesn't mean we can't look for another player who bursts out of the centre, one who doesn't cost an arm and a leg.
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I think we need to see how this season goes, jagga is a great inclusion, young but very promising and professional by the sounds of it, plus new recruits, new style, new mixing of positions and pinch hitting/rotations, well have a better idea at seasons end, festive seasonly optimistic and excited for next season as a lot of us are
Indeed. With the changes in coaching staff, our midfield will be different, even without Jagga. Hopefully, it will work better than in 2025.
Also agree. Another thing we need to get out of our culture is the War-Chest mentality where we go out and pay massive overs for players (some guns, others over-hype) rather than target young players and develop them ourselves.
Only Hewett had a career best year. Maybe Frankie late on as well. 2 players at most. Lots of upside in 2026. Weitering was absolutely atrocious at times.
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The 3 crucial factors are... Harry, Weiters and Walsh have an injury free year and return to top form.
The combination of balanced new recruits, natural progression of the young talent and Newy, Kemp and Jagga returning will result in a better 2026 than this year.
The combination of balanced new recruits, natural progression of the young talent and Newy, Kemp and Jagga returning will result in a better 2026 than this year.
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Also, is it just me or does that look a bit like Shane Crawford?
4flagsin5yrs
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I think we have MUCH to look forward to - if we had more wise heads R1 2025 (think Ainsworth, Florent, Hayward...) we would not have capitulated... and the entire 2025 would have been different me thinks....
(though few of us knew Chuck had or was checking out at that point in time...)
But Crippa will bounce - hard - Cerra due to deliver consistently. Ditto Walshy and our midfield with roles from Jagga etc looks a lot, lot more dynamic....
Chesser for me the one that will surprise - express speed (genuine express speed) and a lot of ticker.
Up forward, with Big H as the centrepin, we will be a lot less predictable...
Like others, would like to see Guv play forward - he's still a talent, at times a very good player. Exceptional aerially and a reliable set shot....not sure why people think Kemp will take a long time to get back in 2026...... he did his injury in April...12 months with the level of rehab he has exposure too....
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I agree with most of what you said. We will be more unpredictable to our opponents for a change.
However, why question is McGovern. He is a long kick, but his accuracy in recent times has not been that good. That miss in 2024 against Collingwood should have won us the game. Granted, they did just hit him with the kitchen sink and he should have got 50 for it, but he should have made the kick from that distance. That is not the only time where he has missed crucial shots while in our colours.
I don't think he can't work on that aspect of his game, but I would not like to rely on him to kick another matchwinner.
Nor do I think that periods in defence are totally out of the question. He has played some very good football back there, but when he loses confidence he doesn't go for his marks and he panics. When he is up and going, he does a very good job as an interceptor.
On the other hand, I'd rather not have to depend on him doing a big defensive job.
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He is certainly not the 'wrong' player for Carlton, but he also isnt the answer to all our problems.. He is a top class player and if he wants to come to your club, you are duty bound to explore it.. Plenty of big ifs but for me I would only entertain it if it comes as a free agent and the salary is manageable.. If you are Sam Walsh and about to sign a long term deal, I dont think it would be good for culture to be offering significantly more for Butters, who atm has slightly more runs on the board but probably less upside.
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Nah... if he leaves Port it will be to one of the big Melb clubs, he would have grown up wanting to play in front of 90k at the MCG... not 30k at Marvel... It would not surprise me if the Bombers make a Judd like pitch to him as the saviour of the club, just like Judd was to us at the time, they would be paying no one else so would have huge salary cap room.
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You listen to C Cornes and sounds like he is still a massive Dogs nuffie. He will be planning to play in front of 90k crowds at the mcg in September anyway
He won’t be gettable as a FA and his contract will be monstrous.
Just a few of the reasons why he certainly is the wrong play for Carlton.
Just accept it and move on …
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I think a lot will be determined by where Port finish in the ladder, if they finish bottom 4 (which is where I have them) a top 5 pick in a draft where they need points for Cochrane might be a better outcome for Port than a few future firsts, which is all we will have if Zac selects us..
If and it’s a huge if, he picks us then Port need to get the best deal knowing it won’t involve us using what is required for Cody.
He can nominate whoever he likes
All Port need to do is match and he stays or goes into the draft.
We wouldn’t be paying what Port would demand in trade or what Butters would demand in salary.
Time to put this one to bed …
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That is not how it works in reality, take Sam Walsh as an example if he decides he wants to go to Geelong, of course we will be able to match but we wont because the free agent compo is going to be better outcome for us than any trade we might negotiate out of Geelong.
Butters salary could be an issue, but havent heard any Nasiah type numbers being thrown about but a fair amount to play out.