Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 3 * Coroner's Hearings Concluded

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 2

Criminal charges:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on FF *Guilty Overturned on Appeal
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on FM *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Please type names out in full for those who are not covered by suppression orders.

For those covered by suppression orders, please use the following to indicate:

WT - William Tyrrell
FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
FA - Frank Abbott
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
CCR - Cobb and Co Road
GO - Geoff Owens
One even reduced bike riding to - BR
COG - Consciousness of guilt. Like WHO KNEW?

 

[31550]

Honestly, I don't think it should even be used for evidence

Well the primary piece of evidence right now is a $200 digital camera from Bali!

 

[passball]

Well the primary piece of evidence right now is a $200 digital camera from Bali!

Did they buy 2 of those cameras?
1 for FGM and 1 for themselves?

 

[passball]

Why did the FF change his ABN address the day before?
Then blocks of deleted posts.
The account the FF didnt know he had.

 

[winyhill]

Why did the FF change his ABN address the day before?
Then blocks of deleted posts.
The account the FF didnt know he had.

Maybe there is something to my "out of the box" theory about a targeted abduction due to some murky business dealings of his.

 

[Jim Cricket]

I have heard they are very necessary for people on them, can suffer serious withdrawals if suddenly stop taking.

I take a few different medications daily. If I don't take the anxiety meds within the same hour each day I get stuck with a headache for the whole rest of the day. I've never let it get beyond one day so have no idea of the effect of not taking them for a longer period and it's not something I want to personally deal with! One thing not mentioned in the naysayer's narratives is that he may have actually taken them to work each day and swallowed them there and planned to get them in Kendall all along. Did they say he forgot them or just that he didn't take them with him? He may simply have run out and didn't have time to pick some up before their local chemist closed.

I also would NEVER expect someone else to pack them, they're too important! I'm not saying FF's meds act the same way but they're very likely to. At Christmas I went away for 10 days and forgot to take one of the meds I'm supposed to take twice daily so even for someone who takes medications it's easy to forget. Also I doubt FM just sits around all day waiting for instructions from FF and it's ridiculous to expect her to drop everything and run around doing things for him. One of the silliest things I've read in here but when you have tunnel vision you say these things.

 

[Curious Clues]

I take a few different medications daily. If I don't take the anxiety meds within the same hour each day I get stuck with a headache for the whole rest of the day. I've never let it get beyond one day so have no idea of the effect of not taking them for a longer period and it's not something I want to personally deal with! One thing not mentioned in the naysayer's narratives is that he may have actually taken them to work each day and swallowed them there and planned to get them in Kendall all along. Did they say he forgot them or just that he didn't take them with him? He may simply have run out and didn't have time to pick some up before their local chemist closed.

I also would NEVER expect someone else to pack them, they're too important! I'm not saying FF's meds act the same way but they're very likely to. At Christmas I went away for 10 days and forgot to take one of the meds I'm supposed to take twice daily so even for someone who takes medications it's easy to forget. Also I doubt FM just sits around all day waiting for instructions from FF and it's ridiculous to expect her to drop everything and run around doing things for him. One of the silliest things I've read in here but when you have tunnel vision you say these things.

Have you ever been charged with fraud, assault of a child and lying to a crime commission?

 

[Leon Higgins]

I have heard they are very necessary for people on them, can suffer serious withdrawals if suddenly stop taking.

Not in 1 day though. They had gone less than 24 hours.

 

[Jim Cricket]

Have you ever been charged with fraud, assault of a child and lying to a crime commission?

No but according to some in here I've probably still done those things but there's not enough evidence for a conviction, plus the coroner was doing her best to thwart the cops, because that's what coroners do, the vindictive critters. Are you also someone who thinks that if you're not calling for FM to be hung you must be connected to her?

 

[Jim Cricket]

Not in 1 day though. They had gone less than 24 hours.

If he took his anxiety meds at 8am that day he probably needs to take them by 8am the next day or he'll get withdrawals

 

[Curious Clues]

No but according to some in here I've probably still done those things but there's not enough evidence for a conviction, plus the coroner was doing her best to thwart the cops, because that's what coroners do, the vindictive critters. Are you also someone who thinks that if you're not calling for FM to be hung you must be connected to her?

That’s a tad dramatic little grasshopper.
I wasn’t implying you’re connected, or are them, that’s not my jam. My point was that I’m sure there’s not many people like the FF. Meds or no meds, he’s a repulsive human being.

 

[Leon Higgins]

You are the one who is here to disrupt with your wild theories that you never back up when asked for why you advance them:
Horse corral - where is it?
Power Pole - No power poles visible in the photos. Is this like the horse corral?
Unsubstantiated rubbish about photos taken months prior to even the purchase of the camera.
Funny how whenever you are asked for more details you deflect onto something else and do not provide any evidence.

Definitely backed up my observations by the way. I provided the photos. Did you look at them carefully. There is a power poll in one of those photos.

I have even explained how to determine the date. Just because you are incapable of performing the assessment as many others are does not make it erroneous.

Who is deflecting without evidence on this comment. I am not going to post photos of the horse corral. I didn’t take screen shots. I will tell you how to find it. Google street view 2013. It’s a steel structure in the front yard.

I don’t have Chumleys book, but there was a direct quote in this forum from that book. In the same passage it quoted Heather Savage. It’s the passage in which they see the Land Rover in the driveway.

I am pretty sure both you and Earls gave it a tick. It was during the inquest in 2024, I am not going back to search for it.

 

[Leon Higgins]

If he took his anxiety meds at 8am that day he probably needs to take them by 8am the next day or he'll get withdrawals

Antidepressants have a much longer half life than that. 3 days and you will be right. There are multiple different drugs. Short acting Benzodiazepines can be an issue. These were no longer prescribed in 2014.

Seroquel which is an anti-psychotic also used to treat anxiety also has a half life longer than that.

You bring up a point however that is worth discussing. If he had stopped his drugs days earlier, he could have got aggressive really fast, and become violent. People forget to take pills.

We saw this aggressive behaviour with the FD when she was late for school. Some people ‘snap’ when they are off them and take weeks, if not months to return to an even keel. Withdrawal has to be managed carefully.

 

[NRL Fan]

Agree not 7:37. Look at how bright the brick wall near the laundry is.


They seem to have had a few problems with the forensic examination of the tennis CCTV. They corrected it and then had to correct their correction.
Maybe some of the forensics were not done in a timely manner.

I agree, it's probably later in the morning.
There is something a bit interesting on the 7th anniversary pic, where you can see sun shining into the balcony. The shadows indicate this was taken in the morning and it would be useful to know the exact time so we could correlate this with the WT pics back in 2014. The shade pattern here looks very different.




The only other piece of evidence I can see the last WT pics that doesn't quite fit is the FGM's sun hat. Would you really take a sun hat outside with you in early September in the early morning ?.

 

[Leon Higgins]

The wine's another thing. Did they take wine up with them? So, somebody remembered to pack wine but not meds, or snacks for kids. Or did FGM provide the wine?
I find it unusual for parents with very young kids to even drink wine with dinner at home. Maybe that's just me.
Surely it's unusual and not recommended to mix alcohol with anxiety meds.
I found it stranger that they even cooked and sat down to eat dinner only a few hours after William had disappeared.
I would have had no appetite, no inclination to cook or eat, let alone drink wine. I would have gone and got takeaway or ordered in if I was hungry. But that's just me again.
Perhaps the police asked them not to leave the house? But if so, police would have probably helped get them dinner.
And then shortly afterwards, an ambulance needed to be called for FF. So dinner and wine did not calm him down anyway.

Was the ambulance part of the deception? Was this before or after Wendy Hudson came to the door and they would not come out of the bedroom, if they were even there.

 

[Underarrest_]

Antidepressants have a much longer half life than that. 3 days and you will be right. There are multiple different drugs. Short acting Benzodiazepines can be an issue. These were no longer prescribed in 2014.

Seroquel which is an anti-psychotic also used to treat anxiety also has a half life longer than that.

You bring up a point however that is worth discussing. If he had stopped his drugs days earlier, he could have got aggressive really fast, and become violent. People forget to take pills.

We saw this aggressive behaviour with the FD when she was late for school. Some people ‘snap’ when they are off them and take weeks, if not months to return to an even keel. Withdrawal has to be managed carefully.

With any medication it’s important to try to take them as close to the same time as possible.
Interestingly, FF’s narrative is that he wanted to be in town early for the chemist which opened at 8am, to fill his script, but didn’t do this until 10.18ish.

 

[Leon Higgins]

I agree, it's probably later in the morning.
There is something a bit interesting on the 7th anniversary pic, where you can see sun shining into the balcony. The shadows indicate this was taken in the morning and it would be useful to know the exact time so we could correlate this with the WT pics back in 2014. The shade pattern here looks very different.


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The only other piece of evidence I can see the last WT pics that doesn't quite fit is the FGM's sun hat. Would you really take a sun hat outside with you in early September in the early morning ?.


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I worked out the time of that photo in the past. It’s taken about 11.30 in November. (From memory) Use the shadow of the verandah poll to determine time. When I looked at this photo, I realised the 9.37 photo was taken even later in the day than this. Sun elevation is even higher than this. When this photo was taken there are also issues of 7 years growth by trees.

There is a photo published at about the right time of the 9.37 photo in the smh by Kate Geraghty.

 

[Curious Clues]

Was the ambulance part of the deception? Was this before or after Wendy Hudson came to the door and they would not come out of the bedroom, if they were even there.

WH reported she observed FF drinking wine at 6pm. She was informed Ambulance has been called at 6:45, FF upset. She later returned to the house at 9, didn’t physically sight the fosters or Lindsay.

 

[Jim Cricket]

Antidepressants have a much longer half life than that. 3 days and you will be right. There are multiple different drugs. Short acting Benzodiazepines can be an issue. These were no longer prescribed in 2014.

Seroquel which is an anti-psychotic also used to treat anxiety also has a half life longer than that.

You bring up a point however that is worth discussing. If he had stopped his drugs days earlier, he could have got aggressive really fast, and become violent. People forget to take pills.

We saw this aggressive behaviour with the FD when she was late for school. Some people ‘snap’ when they are off them and take weeks, if not months to return to an even keel. Withdrawal has to be managed carefully.

I think I know what effect they have, I'm on the damn things. Then you connect him being off his meds to when he gets aggressive with the FD. You point everything they do towards their guilt when in reality you have no idea and it shows.

 

[winyhill]

I agree, it's probably later in the morning.
There is something a bit interesting on the 7th anniversary pic, where you can see sun shining into the balcony. The shadows indicate this was taken in the morning and it would be useful to know the exact time so we could correlate this with the WT pics back in 2014. The shade pattern here looks very different.


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The only other piece of evidence I can see the last WT pics that doesn't quite fit is the FGM's sun hat. Would you really take a sun hat outside with you in early September in the early morning ?.


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I dont think you can rely on the photos taken 7 years later for the light. If you look at the old Google earth images you can see the house had much less vegetation around in in 2014 than the other one, July 2021, where it is completely shaded. Remember the house had changed hands twice since then.

About the sun hat, I would think that is always left there, the lady was known to be a keen gardener, she would automatically put that hat on when she went into the garden. And then leave it handy for next time.

 

[31550]

I take a few different medications daily. If I don't take the anxiety meds within the same hour each day I get stuck with a headache for the whole rest of the day. I've never let it get beyond one day so have no idea of the effect of not taking them for a longer period and it's not something I want to personally deal with! One thing not mentioned in the naysayer's narratives is that he may have actually taken them to work each day and swallowed them there and planned to get them in Kendall all along. Did they say he forgot them or just that he didn't take them with him? He may simply have run out and didn't have time to pick some up before their local chemist closed.

I also would NEVER expect someone else to pack them, they're too important! I'm not saying FF's meds act the same way but they're very likely to. At Christmas I went away for 10 days and forgot to take one of the meds I'm supposed to take twice daily so even for someone who takes medications it's easy to forget. Also I doubt FM just sits around all day waiting for instructions from FF and it's ridiculous to expect her to drop everything and run around doing things for him. One of the silliest things I've read in here but when you have tunnel vision you say these things.

If you are on daily meds, you probably need them at home and at work, or to carry them with you, say in your car. You would also be aware of how regularly you need to buy them. I take daily meds and I renew them before I get down to about a week's supply. It's easy to see when the packet is getting low. You don't just keep them solely at work because you are not at work every day. Regardless of this it was (according to all the narrative) FF's idea to leave early for Kendall, and there was a phone call to confirm and plan this around 1pm Thursday. This was the time to ensure FF had meds for the trip. Functional, normally work together at planning family activities, and the plan should have addressed things like daily meds. So they need to share some responsibility. In any case, there was ample opportunity to stop at a pharmacy on the way up. If the meds were actually an innocent oversight, and needed urgently, there could always have been an early-morning trip to Laurieton or Kew, or even further to a larger town with a pharmacy open at 8am. But he didn't get them until after 10am, which means it wasn't such an urgent thing anyway. He managed to have his online meeting without them, according to narrative. So either he had enough for that morning, or they weren't so urgent. Did police ever inspect the meds themselves to see how many were missing from the new supply?

I never suggested the meds themself point to anyone's particular guilt or innocence. I said that the apparent 'mad scramble' to get meds in the morning (if it happened) may have influenced mental state of FF and FM. I also question the consistency and accuracy of this narrative itself, (as I question other parts of the narrative), because it doesn't make a lot of sense. It sounds like more of an excuse for FF to have left the house. Why were they urgent, how did they become urgent, and if they were so urgent why didn't he try to get them on the way up or from a pharmacy which opened before 9am?.

 

[winyhill]

Who is deflecting without evidence on this comment. I am not going to post photos of the horse corral. I didn’t take screen shots. I will tell you how to find it. Google street view 2013. It’s a steel structure in the front yard.

There is no street view in Benaroon Drive in 2013. See my screenshot, which I will put up and not just talk about.

Definitely backed up my observations by the way. I provided the photos. Did you look at them carefully. There is a power poll in one of those photos.

There is is NO power pole in any of those 9.37am photographs. You need to show something that you actually have seen, not something you are imagining. Like magnolia trees.
The photos were taken on the back deck which has no view of the street.

 

[NRL Fan]

I worked out the time of that photo in the past. It’s taken about 11.30 in November. (From memory) Use the shadow of the verandah poll to determine time. When I looked at this photo, I realised the 9.37 photo was taken even later in the day than this. Sun elevation is even higher than this. When this photo was taken there are also issues of 7 years growth by trees.

There is a photo published at about the right time of the 9.37 photo in the smh by Kate Geraghty.

The anniversary photo was taken on the anniversary (ie: 12th September 2021). The other photos in that article were taken in November.

 

[31550]

I think I know what effect they have, I'm on the damn things. Then you connect him being off his meds to when he gets aggressive with the FD. You point everything they do towards their guilt when in reality you have no idea and it shows.

Are you sure you took them today?

 

[Leon Higgins]

The anniversary photo was taken on the anniversary (ie: 12th September 2021). The other photos in that article were taken in November.

Great. I always wondered why the sun was so low. If taken in September that makes sense. The direction of the photo was 11.30am not 9.37 am. It was released by the police media unit, soon after they charged the FM? You would know.

 

[Leon Higgins]

There is no street view in Benaroon Drive in 2013. See my screenshot, which I will put up and not just talk about.


There is is NO power pole in any of those 9.37am photographs. You need to show something that you actually have seen, not something you are imagining. Like magnolia trees.
The photos were taken on the back deck which has no view of the street.

For the last time, look through the back window. Stop misleading everyone.