Unsolved The Family Murders * BREAKING! Von Einem is dead

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The Who's Who List

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VICTIMS
AB - Alan Barnes 16yo
NM - Neil Muir 25yo
PS - Peter Stogneff 14yo
ML - Mark Langley 18yo
RK- Richard Kelvin 15yo

• DS - Derrance Stevenson high risk lifestyle pornographer and criminal lawyer shot to death
• DS - David Szach convicted for the murder of criminal lawyer Derrence Stevenson

DECEASED
DSD - Denis St Denis hairdresser
RBD - Richard Dutton Brown the magistrate
PF - Pru Firman
SN - Sarah Novak
BG - Brian Gant
NB - Noel Brook also known as Di Di
TP - Trevor Peters of the diaries
PM - Dr. Peter Leslie Millhouse acquitted for the murder of Neil Muir
GG - Gino Gambardella chiropractor fled to Italy
JL - Jacquie the nurse mentioned in the ebook as a good friend of and who rented a unit close to BVEs unit we assume name suppressed? Reportedly deceased.

LIVING until further notice
BVE - Bevan von Einem also known as 'Bevbang' to inner circle and 'Vonnie' in the prison system
Mr R - The businessman name suppressed
SGW - Dr Stephen George Woodards
Mr. B - Teenage prostitute and informant name suppressed

LT - Lewis Turtur also known as 'Louie'
A - The older teenage boy Peter Stogneff's parents feel may have had something to do with their son's abduction
RR - Raymond Rozankowski who was a friend of BVE and lived in the same street as A

DK - Darko Kastellan assistant to Gambardella

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[Angus Young]

I absolutely agree with the close analysis you’ve mentioned here. Ive had well into the hundreds of men reach out to me with their stories explaining their encounter with who they believe was VE. Some of these men were victims, others had clued on and not accepted the lift. Others ran and hid in bushes while ‘VE’ hunted for them. Others were all of 8 years old. Some explained how ‘VE’ had got out the car and chased them on foot. (that’s just a handful of the stories anyway). So while I don’t shrug off any of the experiences that are shared with me, it’s become very easy to work out which are related to VE, and which must have been another predator entirely.

100 per cent.

Can´t begin to think about the amount of time he was doing this for and how many were never reported etc before escalating to murder etc

Back in those days life was too easy for predators.

 

[Cendrillon]

I appreciate your comment, though I am curious as to how you’re able to confirm this. Like, through you yourself seeing her there pre-operation? Or something along those lines?
I know that women (those actually born female) have also been performing as drag queens since the 1990’s.

I used to know Gabby and her partner at the time Dale personally (I would not call myself a friend) and was very close friends with several of the people she used to produce live shows and perform with at Mars, etc. She was post-op trans (bottom surgery) for as long as I have known her, she used to have no qualms showing her "p*ssy" off in live performances, I have literally 100's of photos from these shows back in the days (early 2000's). She was a major person on the Adelaide gay scene in those days, very attractive but a voice like a truck driver. This was very much in her pre-dominatrix era!

 

[nothing001]

I used to know Gabby and her partner at the time Dale personally (I would not call myself a friend) and was very close friends with several of the people she used to produce live shows and perform with at Mars, etc. She was post-op trans (bottom surgery) for as long as I have known her, she used to have no qualms showing her "p*ssy" off in live performances, I have literally 100's of photos from these shows back in the days (early 2000's). She was a major person on the Adelaide gay scene in those days, very attractive but a voice like a truck driver. This was very much in her pre-dominatrix era!View attachment 2514013

That is interesting to know. Do you know how she met Colin Manock?

 

[ClarityInChaos]

I used to know Gabby and her partner at the time Dale personally (I would not call myself a friend) and was very close friends with several of the people she used to produce live shows and perform with at Mars, etc. She was post-op trans (bottom surgery) for as long as I have known her, she used to have no qualms showing her "p*ssy" off in live performances, I have literally 100's of photos from these shows back in the days (early 2000's). She was a major person on the Adelaide gay scene in those days, very attractive but a voice like a truck driver. This was very much in her pre-dominatrix era!View attachment 2514013

Thank you for your response. That’s very interesting! Did she openly speak about transitioning, or the operation in general? Not trying to cast any doubt on what you’re saying, but she looks incredibly feminine in this photo! Every photo I’ve seen of trans drag queens during that era appear quite masculine! If she really was born male, she must have had a huge chunk of money and a really good surgeon.

 

[InstinctivelyAlert]

Trelor family helped ,e escape Adelaide so the clock shop is wrong

Hi - could you try and type this out again, or potentially elaborate on what you’re suggesting/stating?

 

[Soldier Of Misfortune]

no further news stories on RL and his court case?

 

[squawk]

no further news stories on RL and his court case?

Back in Court next week

 

[Milli ene]

Thank you for your response. That’s very interesting! Did she openly speak about transitioning, or the operation in general? Not trying to cast any doubt on what you’re saying, but she looks incredibly feminine in this photo! Every photo I’ve seen of trans drag queens during that era appear quite masculine! If she really was born male, she must have had a huge chunk of money and a really good surgeon.

She looks stunning in this photo. And Clarity... My Uncle Trevor wasn't a trans, but he sure knew how to look fabulous, and also knew how to make others look fabulous too, whether it be what outfit looks divine, what jewellery, shoes and accessories to wear with it, and he could create hair styles to die for and apply makeup like a pro! He also knew how to sew and made some amazing costumes over the years. I have the photos to prove just how stunning his men/women and women/men could look! (Trevor was also a very keen photographer, and acclaimed artist as well!) Surgery might have been an important thing for some, but in my opinion, the scene was about being seen! Being noticed, being wanted and admired. Everyone talking about who looked the best, and who could pick up the most gorgeous (and youngest) most important person in the room that very night.
Forgive me if I am wrong. I could be. I haven't lived that scene. But I am educated enough I think.

 

[ClarityInChaos]

She looks stunning in this photo. And Clarity... My Uncle Trevor wasn't a trans, but he sure knew how to look fabulous, and also knew how to make others look fabulous too, whether it be what outfit looks divine, what jewellery, shoes and accessories to wear with it, and he could create hair styles to die for and apply makeup like a pro! He also knew how to sew and made some amazing costumes over the years. I have the photos to prove just how stunning his men/women and women/men could look! (Trevor was also a very keen photographer, and acclaimed artist as well!) Surgery might have been an important thing for some, but in my opinion, the scene was about being seen! Being noticed, being wanted and admired. Everyone talking about who looked the best, and who could pick up the most gorgeous (and youngest) most important person in the room that very night.
Forgive me if I am wrong. I could be. I haven't lived that scene. But I am educated enough I think.

You’re absolutely right about Trevor. From everything I’ve been told of him, he wasn’t trans. But he did perform as a drag queen in his younger years
I wasn’t even a thought, let alone born during that era, but from all that I’ve been told of that scene, the good ones certainly turned heads and confidence almost radiated off them, making their presence known.

 

[ClarityInChaos]

Hoping to get some thoughts on this.
When spoken to by police, SW stated along the lines of ‘I don’t have the skills to conduct such an operation’ in regard to Mark Langley. But he was a doctor working in the accident & emergency department at the Lyell McEwin Hospital.
To work as a doctor in that section of the hospital, he’d have to be pretty competent in his field. More so than the average doctor or GP would. In fact, wouldn’t the skills to conduct life saving measures of this nature be a requirement?
So was he just taken at his word? Believed without taking a closer look?
That seems really odd to me.

 

[InstinctivelyAlert]

Hoping to get some thoughts on this.
When spoken to by police, SW stated along the lines of ‘I don’t have the skills to conduct such an operation’ in regard to Mark Langley. But he was a doctor working in the accident & emergency department at the Lyell McEwin Hospital.
To work as a doctor in that section of the hospital, he’d have to be pretty competent in his field. More so than the average doctor or GP would. In fact, wouldn’t the skills to conduct life saving measures of this nature be a requirement?
So was he just taken at his word? Believed without taking a closer look?
That seems really odd to me.

It is worth remembering that in the same time era we had a pathologist who wasn’t certified or accredited to do the work.

 

[nothing001]

She looks stunning in this photo. And Clarity... My Uncle Trevor wasn't a trans, but he sure knew how to look fabulous, and also knew how to make others look fabulous too, whether it be what outfit looks divine, what jewellery, shoes and accessories to wear with it, and he could create hair styles to die for and apply makeup like a pro! He also knew how to sew and made some amazing costumes over the years. I have the photos to prove just how stunning his men/women and women/men could look! (Trevor was also a very keen photographer, and acclaimed artist as well!) Surgery might have been an important thing for some, but in my opinion, the scene was about being seen! Being noticed, being wanted and admired. Everyone talking about who looked the best, and who could pick up the most gorgeous (and youngest) most important person in the room that very night.
Forgive me if I am wrong. I could be. I haven't lived that scene. But I am educated enough I think.

There are some certain men that can look better as a woman than a man, even if they haven’t had plastic surgery, it just dependants on genetics. This is one example

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[ClarityInChaos]

It is worth remembering that in the same time era we had a pathologist who wasn’t certified or accredited to do the work.

I do appreciate you sharing your thoughts about this, but that pathologist wasn’t surrounded by people in constant emergency situations. Can you imagine a person is rushed to hospital with an arterial bleed for example, and the doctor goes “ah yes, I’m qualified to fix this” and then doesn’t have the slightest clue what he’s doing? Can you imagine that happening virtually every time a patient is brought into the emergency room?
There’s just no way of pretending you hold those qualifications in this particular field.

 

[diorama]

Hoping to get some thoughts on this.
When spoken to by police, SW stated along the lines of ‘I don’t have the skills to conduct such an operation’ in regard to Mark Langley. But he was a doctor working in the accident & emergency department at the Lyell McEwin Hospital.
To work as a doctor in that section of the hospital, he’d have to be pretty competent in his field. More so than the average doctor or GP would. In fact, wouldn’t the skills to conduct life saving measures of this nature be a requirement?
So was he just taken at his word? Believed without taking a closer look?
That seems really odd to me.

There's also this. He'd need a lot of help in his day job if he didn't have the skills, and not just for what was done to Mark.

He was part owner in a sports injury clinic in the much lower socio-economic northern area of Salisbury in the 1970's and 80's. The area was booming at the time and as a result so was sport which resulted in many football, rugby and soccer clubs being formed in the northern suburbs.

McInerney, Greg; Roles, Wendy. The Family Murders: 'Dissected' (Kindle Locations 2202-2204). Tablo Publishing. Kindle Edition.

Do you know if they searched the home he owned at the time of Mark's (and Neil's and Peter's) murder?

 

[InstinctivelyAlert]

I do appreciate you sharing your thoughts about this, but that pathologist wasn’t surrounded by people in constant emergency situations. Can you imagine a person is rushed to hospital with an arterial bleed for example, and the doctor goes “ah yes, I’m qualified to fix this” and then doesn’t have the slightest clue what he’s doing? Can you imagine that happening virtually every time a patient is brought into the emergency room?
There’s just no way of pretending you hold those qualifications in this particular field.

Also worth noting from personal experiences with emergency departments, there have been instances I’ve encountered with staff in these areas that arguably are not suitable for the role.

I do appreciate the point you’re making. I just wanted to add for context for anybody jumping in at this point it was worth adding that potentially certifications weren’t of the highest order of concern at the time.

 

[Milli ene]

There are some certain men that can look better as a woman than a man, even if they haven’t had plastic surgery, it just dependants on genetics. This is one example

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I couldn't agree more!

 

[Zebo]

Hoping to get some thoughts on this.
When spoken to by police, SW stated along the lines of ‘I don’t have the skills to conduct such an operation’ in regard to Mark Langley. But he was a doctor working in the accident & emergency department at the Lyell McEwin Hospital.
To work as a doctor in that section of the hospital, he’d have to be pretty competent in his field. More so than the average doctor or GP would. In fact, wouldn’t the skills to conduct life saving measures of this nature be a requirement?
So was he just taken at his word? Believed without taking a closer look?
That seems really odd to me.

An A&E doctor in a major hospital does not do surgery. Surgeons do surgery.

 

[Angus Young]

This thread must be the greatest thread/resource on the internet about Bevan and the Family murders.

 

[ClarityInChaos]

An A&E doctor in a major hospital does not do surgery. Surgeons do surgery.

You’re absolutely right. Though if it were a surgeon operating on Mark, he’d likely have survived. An A&E doctor would be required to know how to perform sutures to the skill level that was done to Mark. An A&E doctor would also know how to do a temporary fix in most things, as it would often be needed while waiting on a surgeon.
Does anyone know if the internal surgery was done to a high level? As I was sure they’d only ever spoken about the exterior aspects of it to the public (other than to say a section had been removed) I don’t know that they even made it clear that surgery was performed to then repair the internal organ, or not.

 

[ClarityInChaos]

Do you know if they searched the home he owned at the time of Mark's (and Neil's and Peter's) murder?

I highly doubt it. As far as I’m aware, SW wasn’t a suspect until after BVE was arrested for RK’s murder.

 

[nothing001]

I highly doubt it. As far as I’m aware, SW wasn’t a suspect until after BVE was arrested for RK’s murder.

Have you ever tried to contact the business man to find out what he knows about anything? I heard he still works in his shop that he has always owned.

 

[InstinctivelyAlert]

Have you ever tried to contact the business man to find out what he knows about anything? I heard he still works in his shop that he has always owned.

Clearly I won’t speak for CiC, but DR is not a big talker, and is very litigious.

 

[susurrar]

thats what i always thought. but then he was just chinwagging with some random in that recording a few pages back. crazy to hear. it made me wonder how many people have actually tried talking to him.

 

[InstinctivelyAlert]

thats what i always thought. but then he was just chinwagging with some random in that recording a few pages back. crazy to hear. it made me wonder how many people have actually tried talking to him.

From personal experience, he isn’t a big talker. He doesn’t take lightly to digging or leading questions.

The recording with the whistleblower are…interesting, and still to see the light of day entirely.

 

[Keesbo]

Lewis Turtur pis probably the only one that has ever said something publicly.

For those who didn't see it earlier.

The 92 murder and 14 years later the other killing, are these cases public knowledge at all? What/who is she talking about?