Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 3 * Coroner's Hearings Concluded

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 2

Criminal charges:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on FF *Guilty Overturned on Appeal
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on FM *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Please type names out in full for those who are not covered by suppression orders.

For those covered by suppression orders, please use the following to indicate:

WT - William Tyrrell
FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
FA - Frank Abbott
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
CCR - Cobb and Co Road
GO - Geoff Owens
One even reduced bike riding to - BR
COG - Consciousness of guilt. Like WHO KNEW?

 

[Jim Cricket]

Nor am I. The interesting thing is WHY are people supposedly without stake in the game so incensed by my presence.

I was asked by moderator to refrain posting talking that i have proofs on thread. I explained they aren’t accessible on my current phone. So I’ve stopped discussing proofs entirely in compliance and instead have focused on technical aspects otherwise since that post.

I can share whatever I want in PM with whom ever I want.

All good let’s get back to case analysis shall we? You seem to have derailed things again

With due respect, the people you're collaborating with via pm would be like minded cookers who don't need much convincing, correct?

 

[GraceE]

I have a feeling that woman posts in bigfooty.

Perhaps she should leave. Dissecting a case in which you have an involvement isn’t a sensible strategy for a myriad on reasons. At its worst the SFR can use posts as proofs of deliberate attempts to dissuade focus on criminality. The behaviour can be evidence of consciousness of Guilt and help a conviction. Not too bright if she’s here.

Is there a moral boundary that prevents me posting if indeed she is? Not at all. It’s a free world. She can be here. She just needs to accept posts which aren’t flattering as we discuss behaviours which aren’t

 

[Curious Clues]

I have a feeling that woman posts in bigfooty.

That woman should be staying away from anything to do with the fosters.

Imo

 

[winyhill]

I have a feeling that woman posts in bigfooty.

I wonder who she could be?

 

[GraceE]

With due respect, the people you're collaborating with via pm would be like minded cookers who don't need much convincing, correct?

I’m not collaborating as you phrase it. But some showed interest in some material which I shared.

I’m getting pretty sick and tired of being the focal point of what I may have to contribute. The fact I’ve even suggested that some things have evidential value on my assessment and been heavily and repeatedly attacked is already tipping COG thresholds in my opinion if the manner in which the case is solved is the subject intentionally derided here if what YOU say is correct. A bit like wetting your own bed as you lay in it.

Can we PLEASE focus again on case principles? You’ve made a complete mess now not for the first time

I dutifully promise not to mention absolute proofs again.

 

[Lady O]

I’m not collaborating as you phrase it. But some showed interest in some material which I shared.

I’m getting pretty sick and tired of being the focal point of what I may have to contribute. The fact I’ve even suggested that some things have evidential value on my assessment and been heavily and repeatedly attacked is already tipping COG thresholds in my opinion if the manner in which the case is solved is the subject intentionally derided here if what YOU say is correct. A bit like wetting your own bed as you lay in it.

Can we PLEASE focus again on case principles? You’ve made a complete mess now not for the first time

I dutifully promise not to mention absolute proofs again.

I have no idea what you are talking about. You continuously speak in riddles, and I feel as if your theory is just as muddled.

You seem to want to be the focal point of the forum, and get very annoyed if anyone disagrees or tries to move to another subject. Even accusing people on DM of "closing down discussion" on things you see as important, or of being the Foster parents or their minions.

We all have opinions and theories about this case. Maybe multiple theories.

Let's face it, we don't have a lot of evidence to go on. Many of us have been here from the beginning and have already covered a lot of these subjects ad nauseam.

 

[Jim Cricket]

I’m not collaborating as you phrase it. But some showed interest in some material which I shared.

I’m getting pretty sick and tired of being the focal point of what I may have to contribute. The fact I’ve even suggested that some things have evidential value on my assessment and been heavily and repeatedly attacked is already tipping COG thresholds in my opinion if the manner in which the case is solved is the subject intentionally derided here if what YOU say is correct. A bit like wetting your own bed as you lay in it.

Can we PLEASE focus again on case principles? You’ve made a complete mess now not for the first time

I dutifully promise not to mention absolute proofs again.

You know, if you'd taken notice of us from the very start you wouldn't keep being taken to task for the lack of evidence. Evidence would have shut us down. Same with old mate Tiny. Ever wonder why you two are the ones I pick on? Not only is what you've posted extremely controversial and serious allegations but you've backed it all up with..... nothing. We want evidence so that we can focus on evidence.

 

[GraceE]

I have no idea what you are talking about. You continuously speak in riddles, and I feel as if your theory is just as muddled.

You seem to want to be the focal point of the forum, and get very annoyed if anyone disagrees or tries to move to another subject. Even accusing people on DM of "closing down discussion" on things you see as important, or of being the Foster parents or their minions.

We all have opinions and theories about this case. Maybe multiple theories.

Let's face it, we don't have a lot of evidence to go on. Many of us have been here from the beginning and have already covered a lot of these subjects ad nauseam.

I’m sorry if you fail to understand some of my posts. I try to explain as best I can. I won’t go over it again. It’s only peripheral to the case in a sense

I don’t want to be the focal point but seem to have been dragged into that role reluctantlly because of the abuse of others ( on me and a few others) which strangely doesn’t seem to perturb you. That isn’t my doing

If you perceive it otherwise that is a mistake

I asked if you wanted detail because you originally made that request on thread. You didn’t respond to me. So I surmised that you only raised the request on thread because you were understandably frustrated at direction of the thread, which for the most part arises from the abuse if you care to look. It’s time consuming to post material DM because of where it is which I’m hesitant to do if that person isn’t interested…….. which you clearly weren’t

So win win. I don’t frustrate you with what you see as nonsense and I don’t waste my time either.

I’d be very happy to discuss ANY of your theories. That’s the purpose of the thread in fact

 

[Earls Smother]

Nor am I. The interesting thing is WHY are people supposedly without stake in the game so incensed by my presence.

This suggests that your presence is because you do have a stake in the game.

 

[GraceE]

This suggests that your presence is because you do have a stake in the game.

What might that be? Please inform me

 

[Earls Smother]

What might that be? Please inform me

I'm ****ed if I know, but you post as if you hate the foster parents and want to see them r*ped in jail. There must be a reason for that. Then you accuse others of having personal agendas when they disagree with your personal agenda.

 

[GraceE]

I'm ****ed if I know, but you post as if you hate the foster parents and want to see them r*ped in jail. There must be a reason for that. Then you accuse others of having personal agendas when they disagree with your

Misguided. Nothing to see here. Let’s move on

 

[winyhill]

Interview with Allanna Smith just after the news broke that the Court had allowed the foster status to be public.

 

[31550]

A woman hurled abuse at William Tyrrell's foster mother in front of the media and public outside the NSW Coroners Court this week.

The woman, who had no connection to the case, allegedly breached a court order by publicly calling out the foster mother's name and shouting, "Why would you hurt a child?"


It was just a small snapshot of the vitriol that has been directed at the foster mother, who cannot legally be identified, for years now.

Police backed up their theory against William Tyrrell's foster mother. Little incriminating evidence was heard

Almost three years since NSW Police first went public with their theory that William Tyrrell's foster mother may have covered up his death, the evidence why is now being examined. But what was that evidence?

www.abc.net.au

I'll just leave this here.

Still trying to garner sympathy for FM. She can take legal action against anyone who offends against her. William cannot.

 

[Inspector Small]

'We can't find a scent': Police baffled that sniffer dogs can't find a trace of missing boy William Tyrell. September 16 2014. Daily Mail.​

 

[Jaydon12]

I know it has probably been posted before but WOW! ….

In May, an argument was recorded in which the foster mother accused the child of throwing things around the home.

“If I see or hear you throw something around again that won’t be the only thing that gets thrown,” the woman said. “You seem to only listen to me when I threaten to get violent with you.”

A July argument over packing the dishwasher resulted in the foster mother threatening to pack up the child’s things in a black plastic garbage bag.

“If I get that attitude … I’m going to slap you across the face,” the woman said. “Do you want me to do that? Because you are pushing me big time.”

Court hears William Tyrrell’s former foster mother apparently threatening to slap another child in secret recording

A court was played audio of a clash between the woman and an unnamed child that was covertly recorded by police

www.theguardian.com

 

[LRitz]

Have been listening to some good ex FBI agents in the Nancy Guthrie case, talking about going back to long before something happens.
It would have been so important to understand where this number came from. Might not have anything to do with the case but it seems to have been unanswered at the time. Hopefully someone pursued it.

Agree.
What about all Williams notes with FACS, letter from Mother that reporting bruises , preschool reports, all medical visits.
When was adoption talk begun?
And the shorter lead up to 12th. Photo of clock on camera. Repair man request to come to house. Schedule FF work call for Friday morning.

 

[Gia]

I know it has probably been posted before but WOW! ….

In May, an argument was recorded in which the foster mother accused the child of throwing things around the home.

“If I see or hear you throw something around again that won’t be the only thing that gets thrown,” the woman said. “You seem to only listen to me when I threaten to get violent with you.”

A July argument over packing the dishwasher resulted in the foster mother threatening to pack up the child’s things in a black plastic garbage bag.

“If I get that attitude … I’m going to slap you across the face,” the woman said. “Do you want me to do that? Because you are pushing me big time.”

Court hears William Tyrrell’s former foster mother apparently threatening to slap another child in secret recording

A court was played audio of a clash between the woman and an unnamed child that was covertly recorded by police

www.theguardian.com

So former FM threatens to get violent with the child how many times i wonder before she actually did get violent with the child?
What a F*****g piece of work she was and those poor kids that ticked her off as i'm sure they did including William, IMO.
Makes me wonder why she wanted foster children at all really. She should of just handed them back to FACS

 

[LRitz]

It's possible she was making tea for her mum. She didn't specifically say she was making tea for herself.

i don't know if cups of tea will impact the case.
Mr Craddock thought it was worth spending valuable court time in discussing tea for some reason.
But it certainly confuses the morning. FGM said they finished breakfast around 9. Now i would think ,IMO, FGM would have had tea with her breakfast, even if not mentioned. So it could be 3 cups of tea that morning before 10:30.

 

[LRitz]

So former FM threatens to get violent with the child how many times i wonder before she actually did get violent with the child?
What a F*****g piece of work she was and those poor kids that ticked her off as i'm sure they did including William, IMO.
Makes me wonder why she wanted foster children at all really. She should of just handed them back to FACS

And where did she learn her parenting skills?

 

[NRL Fan]

Yeah maybe. The point is that FM never told police that William disappeared when she was inside making tea. But that’s what she told her friends and family. Why different stories for different people?

If your child goes missing on your watch then a natural response would be to come up with an excuse to cover for your negligence, especially to friends and family. No one wants to say "I was negligent and wasn't paying attention".

 

[winyhill]

And where did she learn her parenting skills?

I don't see any interest in, or love for, William from FGM. He was not her grandchild.
Apparently the camera bought in Bali was a gift for her and FM had been busy taking photos of the children to make an album for the FGM.
To me, it doesn't look like it was appreciated.

 

[LRitz]

'We can't find a scent': Police baffled that sniffer dogs can't find a trace of missing boy William Tyrell. September 16 2014. Daily Mail.​

Similar report on Sept 17th in SMH. Insp Fehon talks to media,

"....Sniffer dogs and cadaver dogs found no scent in the yard, fuelling fears he may have been abducted...."

How can there be no scent in the yard if he played monsters and twirling and tree climbing in the front yard with FM and FD. And he was reported to go around the corner of the house towards the front yard.

 

[LRitz]

If your child goes missing on your watch then a natural response would be to come up with an excuse to cover for your negligence, especially to friends and family. No one wants to say "I was negligent and wasn't paying attention".

William went towards an unfenced front yard towards the road out of their sight.
Maybe not a real safe neighbourhood. Strange cars across the road and the fat driver in the green/ grey car in Benaroon.
Did FM think he went to look FF. Why didn't she or FGM stop him.

 

[GraceE]

Similar report on Sept 17th in SMH. Insp Fehon talks to media,

"....Sniffer dogs and cadaver dogs found no scent in the yard, fuelling fears he may have been abducted...."

How can there be no scent in the yard if he played monsters and twirling and tree climbing in the front yard with FM and FD. And he was reported to go around the corner of the house towards the front yard.

Dogs are affected by air pollution of location. Ie humans. It took the dog handler a few hours to get there if I recall. In the meantime the whole town descended to search. The dog has to pick up scent of item then identify that amongst the thousands there. The success drops drastically with elapse of time.