Autopsy Round 4 = Brisbane Lions 119-65 Collingwood

[domus]

Why would Butters (or Ben King) come to us? Hawks, Dogs, Cats and even Dees and Saints look far more likely for regular Finals participation than we do.

Yep. This season is not going to be helpful in procuring decent players.

 

[PonsfordMagpie]

Fly's presser

Did you spend all those petrol tickets trying to get back into the game in the third term?

"Look, honestly I felt like we were outplayed for most of the night. Clearly the scoreboard would say that. Stoppages got away from us and when you lose territory against this team it makes it really difficult. I just want to probably give credit to them more than us, but I did say to the playing group that there's a lot of stuff right in front of us that we can fix really quickly and we need to get to work on that. It's early in the year and you get a bit of a wake-up call on a couple of parts of our game, stoppage is clearly one. We've got some work to do".

Nick Daicos went out late, what sort of things did you try to shift around stoppage throughout the game to claw that momentum back?

"Credit to them, we bring forwards up, we put Josh [Daicos] in the midfield in the third quarter and I thought he gave us something. We throw Jordy [De Goey] in there and sometimes Jordy out. It wasn't through a lack of trying, but I think reality is we didn't execute. There's so many times where we just didn't execute the structure to forwards behind the ball and at the ball, mainly at the ball. They just cleared the ball way too easy for us. I think that some of that stuff is really something we can fix quickly in terms of around structure and supporting that, but you got to get to work on that. We've got a bit of time, we got 8 days. We got to get to work".

Contested possessions was a big disparity as well as marks inside 50 as well. Is that a part of what you're saying earlier?

"I think there's a lot of the aerials. We lost clearances in the last quarter and marking the ball in D50. That's normally one of our great strengths. You look at all the numbers over the last four years, we are one of the best in the competition at defending our D50 and tonight we got exposed. Why? I'm not sure, but we'll look at it and try to improve and go back, that's a strength of ours. So you go back to things you're good at and that's the aerial part of the contest. The other one is contest to contest. They were just swarming to the next contest and some of that is balance for us. I'm showing the guys at Half Time that there's four players on one side of the contest and four on the other of the opposition; if you win the ball you're out and gone, if you don't then good luck. The Lions are the best in the business if you don't win the ball and we didn't win it tonight".

Can you give us some clarity around Nick Daicos and how he was through the week and what happened when he got here [in Brisbane] and why doesn't get up to play?

"He had a corky in his calf. Tuesday at training he's sort of wanting to get moving. That was the instruction. He didn't train and [he was] sort of hobbling around. Nick is an ultra positive guy and one of the best professionals in the game let alone at our club. We gave it every chance to improve, and he gets out here and we thought he'd start improving, but he didn't. It's a race against the clock and it just doesn't look like that it's going to happen so that's where it landed".

Any concern about Nick Daicos beyond tonight?

"Hmm no. We hope it improves. We have three days off, and are back in on Monday. Like I said, he's such a pro. It's a corky, you'd think it starts to move, I don't know unless it starts to express something else, but we'll see how that goes".

Does it throw things out of whack when the late withdrawal that close to the first bounce or do you have contingencies around that?

"Honestly, I hope it doesn't because I’m sitting there as calm as anything saying, 'You're not playing. Next. Be present. Ed Allan, you're coming in to play a role, you're ready to go, let's go'. You'd hope it doesn't because things that happen before the game shouldn't really affect the first contest or our stoppage structure. They shouldn't. I know you could make the case you take your best player out of any team it's probably going to disrupt, but you'd like to think not".

Were the players on standby for it? Even before the game, you could see he was struggling in the warmup. It felt like you had all the intention of him playing?

"Yeah, absolutely. There was no fitness test either. We just sort of thought [N Daicos would] improve in time. We bring our emergencies for a reason and we tell them that they come to all our meetings and 'prepare to play because if there's a late out, you're ready'. Ed Allan in particular is one I mentioned when he wasn't in the squad of 'be ready to play just in case'. Every week, we plan like that".

How's Steele Sidebottom

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Steele Sidebottom

Age

35

Ht

184cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

27.4

5star

K

14.1

5star

HB

13.3

5star

M

5.5

5star

T

3.7

5star

CL

3.2

5star

D

24.0

5star

K

12.0

5star

HB

12.0

5star

M

4.5

4star

T

4.3

5star

CL

2.3

4star

D

31.6

5star

K

14.4

5star

HB

17.2

5star

M

4.2

4star

T

4.2

5star

CL

6.0

5star

after copping the big hit and not playing for the first 10 minutes of the third quarter?

"He's a tough bugger. It was a good hit wasn't it? It was a really good hit and it was sort of symbolic of our night. We didn't play with good method at times. Our system in offence was...yeah again credit to the opposition, but I thought we just didn't use the ball at anywhere near of what we're capable of. That puts a lot of pressure on you in handballing the ball out in front of guys to get whacked. How many times we do that. That was [???] I reckon. That means we're not using the ball through the numbers like we practice. We train these fundamentals every single week of how do we get through traffic. Let's get back to work on those things too".

Do you expect Pendles to be good for Gather Round?

"Based on my last conversation with him, I do. I left the club yesterday morning and he's there doing rehab and he said 'I feel good'. He's had some ankle stuff that was crumbling after the Crows game and that's now gone in which there was a flow on effect for an achilles. Again, he's got to train and get through but if his words are anything then he will be hard to leave out".

Full post-match, R4: Magpies

Watch Collingwood’s press conference after round four’s match against Brisbane

www.afl.com.au

 

[Gadzorks]

Can't blame the club. AFL has allowed the northern states way too many draft concessions. Brisbane, Gold Coast.. they are just going to be too good for a long time. Expect many results like this for years against these teams. Sydney and GWS not far behind.

Don't agree it's concessions. It is astonishing good talent scouts. And fagan. When he arrived he kept the assistant coaches and support personal that had been overseeing our worst years. He just knows how to bring out the best in all people at the club.

Drafted players that all teams had at two or more chances of drafting include zorko, reville, Andrews (didn't play but absolute gun), Gallop, Coleman, Joyce

And one or more opportunity to grab include Morris (31), Lohmann (20), lester (31).

At least 14 clubs could have got Bailey, Wilmot, Berry. There are players drafted earlier than these guys who haven't set the game on fire so these are good choices.

And we earned the high picks (under 10) by sucking for over a decade - mcluggage, rayner.

The trade ins that played tonight include - McCarthy, Cameron, Allen, draper, neale, dunkley, fort. Almost a third of the team, all seriously talented who wanted in. Which still surprises us. We have go home five stress etched in our souls.

Sure we got the excellent father sons in will and levi ashcroft and Fletcher but you guys can't take the high ground on those. And who knows if they would have nominated us if we had still been at the bottom.

 

[crackerss08]

Woowee what a hard watch.. fly should be on notice for his woeful tactics, recruiting and now in game coaching… needs to adapt to 2026 attacking football not this defensive dribble!

 

[Kirby]

It was an awful performance and Fagan coaches very well against our style.

However, have a read of Fly’s words from the presser above. He absolutely identified everything that went wrong and he thinks we can fix it. We strayed from our fundamentals.

The doomers are out in force in here.

Let’s see if we can turn it around next week.

 

[Chronz]

It was not a great viewing experience.

Taking a break from footy. Game is unwatchable and it is going to be hard to watch the season if this continues

The West Coast and Richmond style of rebuilding is the way

Good ole BigVic, somehow this post is worse than your abominations in the main bored 'coincidences' fred.

 

[76woodenspooners]

Well done Brisbane, another flag there for the taking. For us, the cliff has arrived

We won that game by 8 goals last year. And what were the relative fortunes of the two sides in that season?

A season is long.

There will be many twists and turns. New players get discovered. Old players reach their end. Game plans evolve. Some teams gel and other teams fracture. Players will get injured, players will get concussed, and players will get suspended. There will be wet games and there will be dry games.

Following your footy team is basically like following your horoscope.

 

[76woodenspooners]

Why?

Why will we be better for the experience?

Well, for starters our players have now seen what happens when we put so much responsibility on the shoulders of so few.

 

[JLC]

Why would Butters (or Ben King) come to us? Hawks, Dogs, Cats and even Dees and Saints look far more likely for regular Finals participation than we do.

We are not the only team that will be destroyed by Brisbane.

Fly has a few things to sort out and he will.

 

[PiCkLeJuiCe]

And Ed Allan had a gift wrapped opportunity to shine - and once again sadly, just muffed it. He is so frustrating to watch.

So did Beau, who gave us a game where he had ZERO disposals in the first and fourth quarters. How does an onballer not touch the ball in two whole quarters? Amazing.

 

[PiCkLeJuiCe]

Taking a break from footy. Game is unwatchable and it is going to be hard to watch the season if this continues

The West Coast and Richmond style of rebuilding is the way

Bet you wont take a break.

 

[Dead Eye Didak]

Class, Skill, system and quality - that was the difference. The idea that lifting our effort would have overcome their clear superiority across all those aspects of the game is fanciful.

We would be denying reality in using lack of effort, as a crutch, to sweep our issues under the carpet.

Brisbane just played with us last night. We got smashed in both contested and uncontested possessions, and that shows a clear lack of intent and workrate.
It was just too hard for many of the boys last night....

 

[JLC]

I watched the Pies Footy podcast post game show (Not sure if he posts on here).

I don't understand how the first player he chose to focus on was Jeremy Howe

38

Jeremy Howe

Age

35

Ht

190cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.0

4star

K

11.2

4star

HB

5.7

4star

M

6.4

5star

T

2.1

4star

MG

318.1

4star

D

21.5

5star

K

16.5

5star

HB

5.0

3star

M

6.5

5star

T

2.0

3star

MG

433.3

5star

D

15.2

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

6.2

4star

M

6.8

5star

T

1.6

4star

.

 

[Chrispiesssss]

We are not competing with this list for at least 3 years. We need 5 good draftees & 2 free agents.

 

[Peters_Nuts]

We are not competing with this list for at least 3 years. We need 5 good draftees & 2 free agents.

That's actually crazy. That core alone would beat a lot of bottom teams.

 

[peter9789]

This isn't spoken about enough in the media, not that I would expect it to be given the AFL has accredited journalists and Channel 7 has spent the entire coverage with its collective tongue up Brisbane's behind.

It doesn't excuse the performance from our boys tonight, but certainly contributes to any explanation of it. The back-to-back reigning premiers were able to add a former captain and highly-rated KPF, Essendon's number 1 ruck and a top 5 draft pick. On top of that, their side tonight were missing Andrews, McCluggage, Hipwood, Payne and Gardiner.

We are also used as a cash cow by the AFL, continually playing the likes of Brisbane, Gold Coast, Sydney and GWS away from home in marquee games for them. While spiteful and not really achieving anything, it would be interesting to see the AFL's reaction if Pies fans were to boycott interstate games against the expansion clubs.

This happened also when Richmond added Lynch, captain of GCS and one of the best KPF in the game, after winning a flag. The free agency rules are a joke and should be amended.

 

[Mr Meow]

This happened also when Richmond added Lynch, captain of GCS and one of the best KPF in the game, after winning a flag. The free agency rules are a joke and should be amended.

Lynch was huge. Without him they don't win 2019, and without 2019 I don't think they have the confidence to win the Covid flag. He was the real dynasty piece, as opposed to them having a one off flag.

 

[Dead Eye Didak]

We are not competing with this list for at least 3 years. We need 5 good draftees & 2 free agents.

A few of these players aren't even top end draft picks. Tunstill was a pick in the 40's, so to was Gallop. Both would be playing regularly in our side.
Cody Curtin was a pick in the 40's as well, and he's physically developed so much that he would get a run in our midfield.
They just seem to have a good eye for identifying talent, and we seem to be falling short of the mark.
I mean, no offence to DeMattia, but for a club that was looking for young key forward stocks, how you don't identify the potential in Logan Morris in his draft year staggers me. Maybe we just don't look into the talent in depth as Brisbane would....

 

[Tarkyn_24]

Just Lipinski and Allan? The old whipping boys. I saw a lot of weak efforts from a number of players. I love Perryman but that tap over his head 20 m out from the Lion's goal would have been bad enough in our forward line. Pezza didn't want the perceived contact. I thought Quaynor was off from the opening bounce, his intensity seemed very low early on. Beau looked a million miles off the bloke who does everything at breakneck speed be it a chase down or a run with the pill. What happened to those ferocious tackles he used to lay every week and put the fear of God into the opposition? He just looks less explosive this year and at times less interested.

Crispy and Maynard won a bit of the pill but their kicking was atrocious at times. Most of the team looked flat and disinterested in having a red hot go. If you feel it as a supporter it's generally true. I've seen us lose by fair margins and had no complaints about effort-but not tonight.

I think the anger Fly showed just before half time may be an indication that our perception of their effort was on the money.

They stuck with me because pretty much every single one of their efforts were weak. These aren’t isolated instances where a player was poor.

 

[Drought Break]

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How do you win 2 flags back to back & then bring in Essendon’s first ruck & West Coast’s captain?

and a top 5 draft pick whos one of the best young midfielders if not the best in last years draft

 

[cankles]

How many kicks from full back?

Straight out to brissie big men.
And Straight back at us. Frustrating watching that crap from kick out over and over.

 

[brysie]

This happened also when Richmond added Lynch, captain of GCS and one of the best KPF in the game, after winning a flag. The free agency rules are a joke and should be amended.

Strictly speaking he joined in 2019, following their preliminary final loss to us in 2018, but the point stands.

As with most things driven by the AFL, the free agency rules are a mish mash of rules and exceptions. The differentiation between restricted and unrestricted is arbitrary and the compensation component is simply another way that the AFL can tip the scales.

The ability of players to veto a trade between clubs is also another constraint that creates inequalities across the league.

 

[pie chucker]

That was painful to watch and goes to show how bad we are without our best player and Pendles. We just struggled.
I don't think trading for King and Butters is going to help this club if we can't win the ball.

 

[Drought Break]

Tonight just proved again if you can get to 12 goals against us, you’re almost guaranteed a win because it would need a minor miracle for our team to outscore that.

Everyone thinks recruiting Butters or King is going to magically make us a powerhouse. Its not, our list managements team have been asleep at the wheel and screwed this club royally. Years of pain with or without them.

think I heard a commentator saying we have only averaged about 70 odd points in last 15 games or so.

 

[Finnishpie]

Oh oh, and all those people who pooh poohed the idea we were heading for a cliff his year.... what do you think this morning?

Predictable. Now is the time to try to get games into youth and get youth into the list. Fast.