Bluemour Discussion Thread XV - Facts Not Welcome

[TooBlue14]

Don’t see why he’d lie about where he was drinking. Doesn’t ****ing matter in the slightest. Penalty is the same. 6/8 weeks with a broken arm. But if he lied to the club then it will be career over at Carlton. Dumb idiot if so.

 

[Metalcrusher]

I'm not objecting to the characterisation that perhaps he shouldn't have been wrestling. What I didn't like in the post was the judgement of Fasolo based on his apparent enjoyment of a drink.

It's one thing to say that a job has certain requirements. It's quite another to make a call on someone's level of intellect based on something they did during their time away from their jobs.

Lets take Picket for an example to your rebuttal.

Things he does outside his "job" directly effect and impact his ability to do said job. So if one wants an AFL career on the 2018 average of $371,000, sacrifices are to be made. I cop a lot of shit at my work, with on calls (7 on call nights/ 7 off) whereby I CANNOT drink, I cannot go away from the area of Kalgoorlie due to the fact I need to respond to fatalities, derailments, injuries. That's something I CHOOSE to do for my salary which btw PALES in comparison to that of an AVERAGE afl player.

I guess its the commitment level I'm questioning. You want a life of parties, drinking, drug taking, yahooing ….. fine … do that. But and AFL player needs to to treat his/her body like the life source of all income over a measley 10 year odd career.

Mind you the AVERAGE player will Gross 3.71 mill in that ten period not accounting for further pay rises. Now if they are better than average ……. well the more you get paid the more responsibility. Hence more expectations.

 

[BeligerentBlue]

 

[HARKER]

Who is to say his "version" isn't the truth? Who is making excuses for him?
To suggest we made a mistake in bringing him in or to query his dedication to the extent you have on the back of this incident is a massive over-reaction.

Didn't we have this same dance on Friday when I said it was...to me at least...for it to be unusual that Kreuzer didn't front up?

LLoyd gave me a pretty good indication of how the club felt about Fasolo's misfortune.
One may see it differently but taking into account many factors (including the leadership not wanting him for more than a year) I'd side with there being more to the story than is currently on record.

The CFC didn't need this 'accident' right now. I think I heard that in what LLoyd had to say.

 

[Doro]

Not a great way to introduce yourself to a new club. Head down and off the juice Fas or post AFL footy life awaits next year.

 

[Bostonian]

Hate this. People have their own means of dealing with all kinds of things, and sometimes the methods they choose aren't the healthiest. Who are you, to judge someone for their choices? Are you completely without fault? Tell us all the silliest thing you've done, by your own metrics, so that we can judge you for it.

Or, alternatively, accept that other people like a drink, and don't judge them for something that doesn't really concern you in any way whatsoever.

I'm a paid up member. So I can judge a player on how they act.

This didn't happen in the off-season. That is a different matter.

So why wouldn't a fan be concerned when the players are supposed to be in the final preparations for the upcoming season and some idiot gets drunk and gets injured most likely because of it?

That indicates a lack of professionalism on their part. We don't need unprofessional players on our list.

 

[Blue and Blue]

Every time in my life I have been inebriated I have managed to not break my arm. So basically you can't help bad luck and does that make me a total discrace to society that I've had one too many at times ? (Although not in a long time).

I really hate the judgements that get made here by a small few on such very limited evidence from the safety of annonymity. We can do better bluebaggers. Find out the truth and then forgive anyway. Its only bloody football not war or disease or anything at all that really hurts humankind in a great way.

Maybe he done a silly thing. Maybe not.

Maybe just let it go at that.

 

[Red Bull]

 

[Arr0w]

People passing judgement from their ivory towers, get over yourselves

 

[Jabba73]

People passing judgement from their ivory towers, get over yourselves

In b4 thylacine60 tells you he will be the one judging and you’ll like it.

 

[thylacine60]

rated post is ratified.........

 

[Fred Sexton]

Thought the way the Club handled the Fasolo incident was excellent. Timely and concise.


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[HARKER]

People passing judgement from their ivory towers, get over yourselves

"It's not what we stand for. We've had some strong conversations. The incident is not what we stand for."

What exactly do you think Lloyd was saying here? Is he in his ivory tower too?

Let's see what plays out, but the noise emanating form the CFC doesn't sound particularly forgiving, for mine. Maybe just a bit of chest-beating?

 

[thylacine60]

Every time in my life I have been inebriated I have managed to not break my arm. So basically you can't help bad luck and does that make me a total discrace to society that I've had one too many at times ? (Although not in a long time).

I really hate the judgements that get made here by a small few on such very limited evidence from the safety of annonymity. We can do better bluebaggers. Find out the truth and then forgive anyway. Its only bloody football not war or disease or anything at all that really hurts humankind in a great way.

Maybe he done a silly thing. Maybe not.

Maybe just let it go at that.

if he has ****ed up by choosing to put himself in a vulnerable situation he needs to be hammered by the administration - we've seen what happens when players run the club - on saying that, let's see where the facts take us..........

 

[Gethelred]

I'm a paid up member. So I can judge a player on how they act.

This didn't happen in the off-season. That is a different matter.

So why wouldn't a fan be concerned when the players are supposed to be in the final preparations for the upcoming season and some idiot gets drunk and gets injured most likely because of it?

That indicates a lack of professionalism on their part. We don't need unprofessional players on our list.

It's January.

And your comment asserts this:

If your avenue for doing that is alcohol then you're lacking in the grey matter to start with.

Get a hobby rather than hitting the bottle.

... which is a judgement on Fasolo's intelligence, not his professionalism, based on a supposed fact.

Feel free to be concerned. Feel free to call him whatever you like. But fancy judging someone for having a drink on Australia day!

 

[The Toad]

you mean you stopped? at nagambie? you're either a rower or out of fuel......

Mate of mine owns a place on the Golburn river, go there for a few days of R & R every boxing day.

 

[Arr0w]

"It's not what we stand for. We've had some strong conversations. The incident is not what we stand for."

What exactly do you think Lloyd was saying here? Is he in his ivory tower too?

Let's see what plays out, but the noise emanating form the CFC doesn't sound particularly forgiving, for mine. Maybe just a bit of chest-beating?

Show me a club, a group, an organisation, where a person has not stepped outside the required structures

And I very much doubt anyone here can claim, they have always done the right thing/been at their best, every minute of the day for their employer

 

[Gethelred]

Lets take Picket for an example to your rebuttal.

Things he does outside his "job" directly effect and impact his ability to do said job. So if one wants an AFL career on the 2018 average of $371,000, sacrifices are to be made. I cop a lot of shit at my work, with on calls (7 on call nights/ 7 off) whereby I CANNOT drink, I cannot go away from the area of Kalgoorlie due to the fact I need to respond to fatalities, derailments, injuries. That's something I CHOOSE to do for my salary which btw PALES in comparison to that of an AVERAGE afl player.

I guess its the commitment level I'm questioning. You want a life of parties, drinking, drug taking, yahooing ….. fine … do that. But and AFL player needs to to treat his/her body like the life source of all income over a measley 10 year odd career.

Mind you the AVERAGE player will Gross 3.71 mill in that ten period not accounting for further pay rises. Now if they are better than average ……. well the more you get paid the more responsibility. Hence more expectations.

Which, again, I'm not disputing.

You're arguing something different to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that it is wrong to judge someone for having a drink. It is not the drink that is the issue here, either, given that if you did a poll in which the players were honest you'd find that the majority of players have a beer or three here and there, it's the fact that he broke his arm doing something stupid. I'm not necessarily against recruiting smarter players who know when to stop drinking (and this is where this gets utterly ridiculous: no-one on this forum knows enough about the situation to accurately do more than cast shade or to try to defend something we don't know about. Fasolo could've had two/three drinks, or he could've had way more. We don't know, and that's a huuuuge problem with the sheer number of people who are using this as an opportunity to call for delisting) but using the fact that he had a drink as a testament to his intelligence is not what I'm about, in any way.

It's about personal choice for me. I recognise that it wasn't you doing this, Crush, but if you want to judge someone for making a choice I'm going to call you out for it.

 

[Jeremias]

Didn't we have this same dance on Friday when I said it was...to me at least...for it to be unusual that Kreuzer didn't front up?

What does a discussion about Kreuzer have to do with the Fasolo incident?

I’m not particularly interested in your petty point scoring efforts.

LLoyd gave me a pretty good indication of how the club felt about Fasolo's misfortune.
One may see it differently but taking into account many factors (including the leadership not wanting him for more than a year) I'd side with there being more to the story than is currently on record.

Maybe there is more to it, I haven’t suggested otherwise.

Just suggesting some of the reactions we’ve seen have been way over the top.

You’d think he committed some sort of heinous crime the way some are carrying on.

He had too much to drink.

The CFC didn't need this 'accident' right now. I think I heard that in what LLoyd had to say.

I notice you didn’t answer any of the questions posed, but I’ll ask another.

Did anyone say this was needed?

Fairly certain everyone has expressed disappointment in Fasolo and particularly in the incident, but some have jumped to conclusions far quicker than others.

 

[thylacine60]

Show me a club, a group, an organisation, where a person has not stepped outside the required structures

And I very much doubt anyone here can claim, they have always done the right thing/been at their best, every minute of the day for their employer

ease up, thinwoodenprojectile - we're beyond the days of being apologists for idiot footballers - the club comes first always - these blokes are in privileged positions - part of the privilege requires then to live to a possibly higher standard than the rest of us - the fame and money spotlight brings with it numerous commitments, not all of them inside the fence..........I accept accidents, I accept mistakes, I don't accept idiot decision making........

 

[The Toad]

ease up, thinwoodenprojectile - we're beyond the days of being apologists for idiot footballers - the club comes first always - these blokes are in privileged positions - part of the privilege requires then to live to a possibly higher standard than the rest of us - the fame and money spotlight brings with it numerous commitments, not all of them inside the fence..........I accept accidents, I accept mistakes, I don't accept idiot decision making........

Yep. As we pretty much did him a rather large favour by drafting him, you'd think he would have a few more fricken brains that to **** up so soon into his time,

 

[windows1]

ease up, thinwoodenprojectile - we're beyond the days of being apologists for idiot footballers - the club comes first always - these blokes are in privileged positions - part of the privilege requires then to live to a possibly higher standard than the rest of us - the fame and money spotlight brings with it numerous commitments, not all of them inside the fence..........I accept accidents, I accept mistakes, I don't accept idiot decision making........

My issues with this are....he’s not 19......And this ain’t his first rodeo.....And he’s been here A MINUTE. And he’s been here (in trouble on the piss) before....and he was a controversial pick up who had his contract watered down to a 1 year perf based deal......and he told us he’d prove it a good decision.

No one said don’t drink. But to get SO drunk as to break your arm given HIS circumstances is beyond belief. It’s obvious it wasn’t any innocent slip up after a couple of beers - the language of the club was pretty strong.

So enough folks. He’s not just made a little error. It’s a really shit effort and it’s not excusable.

 

[Michael Jezz]

if he has ****** up by choosing to put himself in a vulnerable situation he needs to be hammered by the administration - we've seen what happens when players run the club - on saying that, let's see where the facts take us..........

The administration needs to be hammered for recruiting a "conditional footballer" into a group that needs leadership and stability.
End of story. This one is a failure.

 

[Arr0w]

ease up, thinwoodenprojectile - we're beyond the days of being apologists for idiot footballers - the club comes first always - these blokes are in privileged positions - part of the privilege requires then to live to a possibly higher standard than the rest of us - the fame and money spotlight brings with it numerous commitments, not all of them inside the fence..........I accept accidents, I accept mistakes, I don't accept idiot decision making........

He was at a private address, not in a public environment

He has clearly had more than a couple of drinks, but not pissing on a shop owners front door

Yes stupid and irresponsible for a person in his position, yet he has assaulted no one.

Hopefully the club has all the facts and will deal with it appropriately

Again, who here is capable of taking the moral high ground

 

[norway blue]

Hope he gets back and redeems himself ...


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