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Player Watch #26 Riley Collier-Dawkins

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I think Jack Ross is a good chance to play in front of RC-D, he has the size and has power to go with it.
From what i can gather RC-D has consistency issues where as Ross has shown he can consistently get the ball.
Im hoping a worst case scenario is they play 22 games between them.

If they are good enough they will play, first yr players or not they both have the size rather than height to go straight away.
If anyone thinks we don't need a big inside mid in the team i think they are kidding themselves, it is definately a team weakness as far as depth goes. We are in a position to play these kids with senior quality around them rather than just waiting for an injury to two or three senior players and they are SUDDENLY in the deepend .

I cant think of too many highly touted big mids who did not get plenty of games in their first season.
In fact most i can think of got plenty of games barring injury.They get games because they have the size and are ready for the rigours of AFL.


My biggest concern is if say we do lose Cotchin and Martin late in the yr and we havent put games into the young mids we go into finals with kids with no experience at all.

We need to find a balanced approach to this and ensuere the kids are getting enough expsure just in case they do have to come in without support.Other clubs manage to do this and i cant see why we cant as well.Our second 22 would have the least amount of games to their names in the league.
 
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mopsy said:
I think Jack Ross is a good chance to play in front of RC-D, he has the size and has power to go with it.
From what i can gather RC-D has consistency issues where as Ross has shown he can consistently get the ball.
Im hoping a worst case scenario is they play 22 games between them.

If they are good enough they will play, first yr players or not they both have the size rather than height to go straight away.
If anyone thinks we don't need a big inside mid in the team i think they are kidding themselves, it is definately a team weakness as far as depth goes. We are in a position to play these kids with senior quality around them rather than just waiting for an injury to two or three senior players and they are SUDDENLY in the deepend .

I cant think of too many highly touted big mids who did not get plenty of games in their first season.
In fact most i can think of got plenty of games barring injury.They get games because they have the size and are ready for the rigours of AFL.


My biggest concern is if say we do lose Cotchin and Martin late in the yr and we havent put games into the young mids we go into finals with kids with no experience at all.

We need to find a balanced approach to this and ensuere the kids are getting enough expsure just in case they do have to come in without support.Other clubs manage to do this and i cant see why we cant as well.Our second 22 would have the least amount of games to their names in the league.
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Agree that we should get games in to them, but if Martin or Cotchin went down, like any team we’d be screwed regardless
 
harrythetiger said:
Had good skills though, absolute gun small forward. Would slot right in to our 2019 side.
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All the talk was he was going to Glenferrie though and they would just move Hudson out to CHF.........
 
Dr Tigris said:
Vlas - yep. He was supposed to be that inside monster. Not too good at that. But in the backline what a star!!! Sometimes close to Rance level.

Corey was always to me that skilled kids with a good footy brain, but no toughness and athleticism. He performed above VFL, but didn't take his chances at AFL level.

I would not be shocked if he does well at GC. If he can play in the guts regularly. It's just when the penny drops for him to be a quality player. But he's not that rounded player we use in our team. And he was competing against Cotch and Dusty to get game time here. He's not in that class to break in. Higgins came here and stepped right in. Shows the difference between having AFL talent, but insufficient mental aptitude (hope you get what I mean) and having a great footy brain and the right attitude. I reckon Higgins put the nail in Ellis' coffin.
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Higgins first yr was good but i reckon he was gifted games in the first half of the yr. He shows he has plenty of tools but unlike just about everyone else i think he has an awful long way to go to be considered an elite mid
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His first sreason was better than a pass but he has to continue to improve.
 
mopsy said:
Higgins first yr was good but i reckon he was gifted games in the first half of the yr. He shows he has plenty of tools but unlike just about everyone else i think he has an awful long way to go to be considered an elite mid
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His first sreason was better than a pass but he has to continue to improve.
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I'd agree about the first half of the year. But by the end he looked right at home. He's whip smart and has great skills, and a nice build for a short arse playing inside. To me if he just steps his end of 2018 form up a bit and matures his body a bit then he's a first 22 midfielder now worries. And over time I reckon he'll get beyond B grade AFL to A grade - 2/3 years.
 
mopsy said:
Higgins first yr was good but i reckon he was gifted games in the first half of the yr. He shows he has plenty of tools but unlike just about everyone else i think he has an awful long way to go to be considered an elite mid
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His first sreason was better than a pass but he has to continue to improve.
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Do you think !!

Was there ever a player that was considered an elite mid after his 1st year ?
Dont think Higgins could have done anymore in his 1st year than he did and in regards to being gifted games, Think just about every one of our stars were gifted games in their 1st year as i cant remember Cotchin,Riewoldt,Martin playint too many vfl games and earning their spots via the VFL
 
THE_GUN said:
Do you think !!

Was there ever a player that was considered an elite mid after his 1st year ?
Dont think Higgins could have done anymore in his 1st year than he did and in regards to being gifted games, Think just about every one of our stars were gifted games in their 1st year as i cant remember Cotchin,Riewoldt,Martin playint too many vfl games and earning their spots via the VFL
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I remember a lot were complaining during Riolis first season as well that he was gifted games as well

Funny how the players that seem to be “gifted” games early turn out to be jets
Almost as if the coach’s know what they are doing
 
Muddiemoose said:
I remember a lot were complaining during Riolis first season as well that he was gifted games as well

Funny how the players that seem to be “gifted” games early turn out to be jets
Almost as if the coach’s know what they are doing
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Wash you mouth out!

The coaches know more than the average BF punter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Crazy talk
 

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mopsy said:
Higgins first yr was good but i reckon he was gifted games in the first half of the yr. He shows he has plenty of tools but unlike just about everyone else i think he has an awful long way to go to be considered an elite mid
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His first sreason was better than a pass but he has to continue to improve.
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He was lucky Rioli was out
 
Muddiemoose said:
I remember a lot were complaining during Riolis first season as well that he was gifted games as well

Funny how the players that seem to be “gifted” games early turn out to be jets
Almost as if the coach’s know what they are doing
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Yes and I was one of them too...
But Rioli has come good! Quality player just knocking on A grade's door...
 
Pretty sure Graham is close to resuming full training. Will play round one.
 

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JAKLAUGHING said:
Yes and I was one of them too...
But Rioli has come good! Quality player just knocking on A grade's door...
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Nowhere near A grade performances though. Rioli is another who displays A grade traits but the output is way down to be considered an A grader.
Yes its early days and the expectations are he will trend upwards.

His body of work to date has yielded on average
11.3 disposals
3.6 c/p
0.93 goals
3.4 tackles
2.5 i/f
0.4 cl
Thats hardly knocking on A grade's door. Instead it suggests he still has a long way to go in several areas.
 
mopsy said:
Nowhere near A grade performances though. Rioli is another who displays A grade traits but the output is way down to be considered an A grader.
Yes its early days and the expectations are he will trend upwards.

His body of work to date has yielded on average
11.3 disposals
3.6 c/p
0.93 goals
3.4 tackles
2.5 i/f
0.4 cl
Thats hardly knocking on A grade's door. Instead it suggests he still has a long way to go in several areas.
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Cannot argue with the figures, but i thought Rioli was displaying close to A grade rating through the 2017 Finals/GF, until that 2017 foot injury just set him back both physically and performance wise all through 2018.
Now it's a waiting game with Rioli to see whether he's capable of bouncing back and reproducing his latter 2017 form!
 
mopsy said:
Higgins first yr was good but i reckon he was gifted games in the first half of the yr. He shows he has plenty of tools but unlike just about everyone else i think he has an awful long way to go to be considered an elite mid
.
His first sreason was better than a pass but he has to continue to improve.
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mopsy said:
Nowhere near A grade performances though. Rioli is another who displays A grade traits but the output is way down to be considered an A grader.
Yes its early days and the expectations are he will trend upwards.

His body of work to date has yielded on average
11.3 disposals
3.6 c/p
0.93 goals
3.4 tackles
2.5 i/f
0.4 cl
Thats hardly knocking on A grade's door. Instead it suggests he still has a long way to go in several areas.
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Perfect!

This is how stats skew a players' benefit to the teams game plan. Rioli is one of, if not the best pressure forward in the comp., A grade for his position and very early days.

Have you not seen the panic with defenders when he's around?

Don't just use stats, use your eyes!
 
4tune8 said:
Perfect!

This is how stats skew a players' benefit to the teams game plan. Rioli is one of, if not the best pressure forward in the comp., A grade for his position and very early days.

Have you not seen the panic with defenders when he's around?

Don't just use stats, use your eyes!
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Like Cyril. Minimal stats.... massive game impact.
Daniel still with 4-5 years to improve though.
 

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