Preview Round 2, 2019: Essendon v St.Kilda - Marvel Stadium, Saturday 30th March, 4:35PM AEDT

[The Enemy Within]

Young was as good as Parker in the intra, really fast disciplined defensive game playing in a forward pocket. He's faster and much more agile than Kent and I thought maybe more defensive than offensive but 4 goals suggests he can go both ways.

Young kicked 4 goal which is good but it was only a practice game & i'm not sure how much you can take out of it for a selection pathway into the AFL.

 

[gringo2011]

Well Kent didn't do much except set up two goals with pinpoint 50 metre passes, and kick a clutch goal that won the game.

Delist

3 plays? What 5 disposals? Parker and Lonie both set up gaols too but did more than Kent. Kent was looking to give off that kick on goal and Parker off no games came in and told him to have a shot. If he'd not scored that he would have been just about the worst player for either side. Clutch goal means what?.... a tight angle at an opportune time?

 

[VDS66]

3 plays? What 5 disposals? Parker and Lonie both set up gaols too but did more than Kent. Kent was looking to give off that kick on goal and Parker off no games came in and told him to have a shot. If he'd not scored that he would have been just about the worst player for either side. Clutch goal means what?.... a tight angle at an opportune time?

Found a new whipping boy?

 

[gringo2011]

Young kicked 4 goal which is good but it was only a practice game & i'm not sure how much you can take out of it for a selection pathway into the AFL.

I get that, I think his general form has been good though and if there was a knock on him when comparing him to Kent, it would have been his ability to score heavily in comparison. It shows he can score and defend.

 

[gringo2011]

Found a new whipping boy?

I will give him a go when he performs. If he earns a spot in the side I'll be the first to call for him to get back into the side. He was poor on the weekend and I want to win. He's not a some kid from the state leagues, he's a senior footballer who has moved clubs. If that was Lonie he would not be playing for 4 weeks off the back of that. Mav copped heaps for much better games.

 

[plugger66]

LOL I agree with you Plugger, but its "his" team. ( Lonie is in my team). What i was really commenting on , was after fixing his team, he had a player showing as an OUT but still on the Bench. I think he quietly fixed it.

Unless there is a reason i don't know about, we can't carry Kent for half the game on the bench any more than we can rotate two rucks.

I'm still torn between the 2 1/2 talls ( Membrey aint that tall ) or 1 1/2.

I think Marshall comes in for Pierce.
Last time they played we had Pierce 27 hitouts 18 disposals 5 Marks. 79% TOG
Marshall had 13 hitouts, 14 disposals 7 marks , and a goal ( and a behind ) 87% TOG.
Bellchambers had 25 hitouts, 13 disposals, 3 marks kicked a behind.
I just can't see Pierce playing like that off the back of last week. and Marshall has supposedly improved over the pre-season.
He can play head to head with Pierce, defending against him when he gets forward.

McKernan is the tall, do we keep Joyce in to play on him? I tend to think bring in Brown. Instead.

Others like McDonald-Tipungwuti ( some names just shouldn't get hyphenated ) and Stringer will test the less experienced Battle and Wilkie, but i think we leave them there.

We have plenty of forwards in the side. Parker, Long, Lonie with Gresham, Billings, Stuv, Newnes, Sinclair capable of resting or rotating forward ( not much resting these days ).
I just felt Kent didn't show enough and spent too much time on the bench. Clark or Acres to come in for him, i'm tending to favour Clark.

Whilst I agree that Kent struggled I don't believe there is a hope of dropping him but if as you say its your team then fine. My team and what I think the coach will do both have Kent in it. My team wouldn't have Brown because I don't see a match up but the coaches team obviously will. My team has Marshall in. Not sure what the coach will do there. I believe like you Clark or Acres play. I think I would pick and drop Dunstan. Don't think the coach drops dunstan so im thinking McKenzie or Savage for one of Acres or Clark. I believe the coach will continue with the 2 marking talls. I know circumstances dictated it but so far we have done it for 10 out of 12 quarters played for 3 wins.

 

[plugger66]

Young was as good as Parker in the intra, really fast disciplined defensive game playing in a forward pocket. He's faster and much more agile than Kent and I thought maybe more defensive than offensive but 4 goals suggests he can go both ways.

IMO I thought was very ordinary in the intraclub. And it seems the coaches did to as he couldn't make the 28 who played in the practice games. And without being rude you have seen him against half a sandy side and you know all that about him compared to kent. You can barrack for him all you like but he isn't playing this week as there are far to many ahead of him. If Kent gets dropped it will be for Acres because they want a medium tall up forward. He wont get dropped though.

 

[Impatient Saint]

I will give him a go when he performs. If he earns a spot in the side I'll be the first to call for him to get back into the side. He was poor on the weekend and I want to win. He's not a some kid from the state leagues, he's a senior footballer who has moved clubs. If that was Lonie he would not be playing for 4 weeks off the back of that. Mav copped heaps for much better games.

To me he doesnt look like he is that well physically prepared and hasnt all preseason. We should all know Richo by now - unless there are injuries he will make ZERO changes.

 

[plugger66]

What do you expect when outside of the 30 and 29 disposal games he was playing mainly in the forwardline? Do you really expect him to post midfield numbers from there?

Not to mention the fact that by the end of that run he was almost certainly also playing injured.

In spite of both those facts, after 5 rounds he was still averaging 24 disposals (10 contested) and 0.8 goals per game.

And that was after having had two games of 30 disposals and a goal late in the previous season when given a decent crack in the midfield in those two games.

So as far as I'm aware, in the 4 games where he had a significant amount of midfield time late in 2017 and in early 2018, he went

30 disposals and a goal
30 disposals and a goal
30 disposals and a goal
29 disposals and two behinds

Then he got injured, played injured for a while, then sat out for months, and wasn't the same when he returned (like so many others who got injured throughout the year for us, like Carlisle, Webster, Long, Battle and Dunstan).

The thing is if does come in he still will play bugger all in the middle because maths suggests that. I doubt he has ever played much in the middle unless the wing is the middle. I call that an onballer.

 

[plugger66]

To me he doesnt look like he is that well physically prepared and hasnt all preseason. We should all know Richo by now - unless there are injuries he will make ZERO changes.

Well that's clearly not true but go for it. And something tells me they have data to know if a player is prepared.

 

[lewdogs]

Whilst I agree that Kent struggled I don't believe there is a hope of dropping him but if as you say its your team then fine. My team and what I think the coach will do both have Kent in it. My team wouldn't have Brown because I don't see a match up but the coaches team obviously will. My team has Marshall in. Not sure what the coach will do there. I believe like you Clark or Acres play. I think I would pick and drop Dunstan. Don't think the coach drops dunstan so im thinking McKenzie or Savage for one of Acres or Clark. I believe the coach will continue with the 2 marking talls. I know circumstances dictated it but so far we have done it for 10 out of 12 quarters played for 3 wins.

Not sure Brown's a definite in. It would be a shame to drop Joyce. I know where you're coming from but I hope Brown has to earn his way in through VFL.

 

[ScrappyDo]

Don’t see anything objectionable along gender sensitivity lines in anything anyone said in their solless responses to the hypothetical.

Think that’s a bit soft TBH.

Any of our female Saints would be welcome to flip the script, or give a view on the standard hypothetical as they so choose; we’re mostly adults here after all.

Mowman beat me to it, but l was thinking the same. Armless fun l know, but not a good look for an alleged unisex forum. T'is the times I'm afraid.

 

[Saint Shags]

Brown to come in this week as he will be needed the following week in W.A.
Would rather that he have a week at AFL level before the trip.
Marshall in for Pierce.
Only other 2 possible ins are Clark and Acres but that would mean dropping the likes of Sincs Lonie Parker or Kent.
They would not be a replacement for Dunstan no matter how many times people say it. They are not like for like. And the earlier suggestion that Acres is our version of Fyfe nearly made me spit out my coffee.

 

[bird_man]

Anyone else feel like the selection team is going to throw up an incredibly weird decision this week?

Wouldn't surprise me if Parker was dropped.

I'd be very, very surprised

 

[The Enemy Within]

Not sure Brown's a definite in. It would be a shame to drop Joyce. I know where you're coming from but I hope Brown has to earn his way in through VFL.

No Carlisle, no Roberton, Brown is a walk up start his experience & size is needed he will play on Stewart this week McKernan will be out.

 

[plugger66]

Brown to come in this week as he will be needed the following week in W.A.
Would rather that he have a week at AFL level before the trip.
Marshall in for Pierce.
Only other 2 possible ins are Clark and Acres but that would mean dropping the likes of Sincs Lonie Parker or Kent.
They would not be a replacement for Dunstan no matter how many times people say it. They are not like for like. And the earlier suggestion that Acres is our version of Fyfe nearly made me spit out my coffee.

Totally agree there is no like for like for Dunstan but if Steven can spend more time in the middle then he certainly partly replaces Dunstan as a positive move then its a matter of another player going through the middle for short periods.

 

[bird_man]

Young was as good as Parker in the intra, really fast disciplined defensive game playing in a forward pocket. He's faster and much more agile than Kent and I thought maybe more defensive than offensive but 4 goals suggests he can go both ways.

I've only seen Young in the intra club and he looked a fair way off then. Good to see him kick 4 goals in the VFL practice match, but Kent's best at AFL level is really good and he deserves more than one game.

He looked like he was about to start dominating games last year before his injury and he did some really nice thing on the weekend.

 

[lewdogs]

No Carlisle, no Roberton, Brown is a walk up start his experience & size is needed he will play on Stewart this week McKernan will be out.

I get that, but I don't like dropping Joyce. Really liked his game and think he should keep playing in the 1s.

 

[bird_man]

3 plays? What 5 disposals? Parker and Lonie both set up gaols too but did more than Kent. Kent was looking to give off that kick on goal and Parker off no games came in and told him to have a shot. If he'd not scored that he would have been just about the worst player for either side. Clutch goal means what?.... a tight angle at an opportune time?

A clutch goal is a tough goal kicked under pressure in the back end of a tight game.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

My big issue with Kent , wasn't so much his lack lustre game, but the fact he only played half of it.
Well 63%.

Steele played 91% TOG.
Billings 90.5%
Ross 88.5 %
Lonie 81.2%
Gresham 72.9%
Dunstan 71.8%
Steven 70.9%

I'd rather take outside time off Ross and give him some bursts thought the middle. Give Gresh more of a rest so he can have more impact when he comes back on, even Dunstan may benefit.
Clark was getting 70-80% TOG by the end of last season.

 

[Impatient Saint]

Well that's clearly not true but go for it. And something tells me they have data to know if a player is prepared.

Just like Paddy was 4-5 years ago when they played him, or Longer who couldnt run out of sight in the dark. I just dont think he is doing himself or the club any favours carrying the extra pounds, when all other players are getting leaner to cover the extra distances required.

 

[Mighty_sainter]

With Kent he did some nice things and he also did some very poor things aswell. They won’t drop him but he would be on notice. Some of his efforts were pretty bad and if young keeps putting pressure on Kent it will only be a good thing for the side

 

[mightymalaka]

Mowman beat to it, but l was thinking the same. Armless fun l know, but not a good look for an alleged unisex forum. T'is the times I'm afraid.

Twas harmless fun completely! Barrells is spot on, very soft indeed!
Just because these are the times of ridiculous overreactions to anything so called non PC, doesn't mean we have to pander to such nonsense!

Not aimed at you Scrappy but some people need to get a life ffs!

 

[bird_man]

My big issue with Kent , wasn't so much his lack lustre game, but the fact he only played half of it.
Well 63%.

Steele played 91% TOG.
Billings 90.5%
Ross 88.5 %
Lonie 81.2%
Gresham 72.9%
Dunstan 71.8%
Steven 70.9%

I'd rather take outside time off Ross and give him some bursts thought the middle. Give Gresh more of a rest so he can have more impact when he comes back on, even Dunstan may benefit.
Clark was getting 70-80% TOG by the end of last season.

Yes that TOG was a bit odd for him. Maybe we just had too many small forwards?

If I were to drop a small forward, I'd be bringing in Clark or Acres, not Young.

 

[RetroRandy66]

I think we got selection very wrong in round 1. I think we have a HBF too many. I would want Acres in the side and potentially Hunter. However I don’t have anyone I would drop just yet.

Sinclair is another who didn’t impress me. That second shot on goal during the second quarter was vomit worthy. I need more from that second tier group (Dunstan Savage Sinclair Long Geary)

agree. Forst goal too was JUST a goal. A simple goal he made look very hard.

I think kent should stay in on second thought. He got better as game wore on. his size and hardness and goal sense is very good.

OUT: Dunstan, Sinclair and Mckenzie
IN: Acres, Clarke and Brown