Preview Round 4, 2019: St.Kilda v Hawthorn - Marvel Stadium, Sunday 14th April, 3:20PM AEST *BLUE RIBBON CUP*

[bird_man]

Acres was ordinary to say the least but I think you’ve got to give him a 2nd.
Not sure who goes out for Stuv. Sincs did himself no favour on the weekend

I think Kent is the obvious one for Stuv

 

[Mitch35]

OUT:
Acres: Looks under done and had a very poor game.
Sinclair: Another poor performer. Will more than likely go back to the VFL and perform strongly, just needs a spell.
Kent: Has been rusty in the first few games, but did not lay one single tackle against Freo. Needs to work on pressure, execution and marking.
Dunstan: is winning some contested ball, but isn't in our top 5 best performing mids. Needs a tank as we can't afford to have him playing under 70% TOG.

IN:
Steven: Replaces Acres. No brainer. Will add more polish, and help address us the huge centre clearance deficit. But also having him resting on the half forward line is a huge asset, and makes us much more dangerous.
Hind: Replaces Sinclair. Will go to HBF, and push Geary to tag in the midfield. Is going to add more speed and silk into the team.
Long: replaces Kent. If we can add his pressure, and he can curb his brain fades, we will be better off until Kent captures some form.
Armitage: Replaces Dunstan. Adds experience, can be a bull in the middle, but we can certainly rest him forward, as he applies great pressure and has been known to impact the scoreboard.

B: Wilkie, Brown, Webster
HB: Savage, Battle, Newnes
C: Billings, Ross, Geary
HF: Long, Membrey, Gresham
F: Parker, Bruce, Lonie
R: Marshall, Steele, Steven
I: McKenzie, Armitage, Hind, Clark

 

[Cairnsman]

FFS no bloody change at all unless Jack is available. Had we not suffered from the same weakness we suffered numerous times last season which is letting a team get a quick run on and steal the game away from us in 5 minutes then we would be undefeated. Put jack in that side against the Dockers and we win. This side is close to ripping an opposition apart. Could be this week.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Please no longer. It will be a good test for Marshall and a test of how he performs against two quality rucks.

I can’t bear to see a decent ruck contest followed by ABSOLUTELY nothing else. Pierce/longer both have unfortunately been unable to contribute around the ground, all the can do is ruck.

I am living in hope Marshall is the answer we have been waiting for!!

Watch a bit closer the next time that Billy plays. In particular watch the path he clears for our mids and the physical pressure he puts on opposition mids.

I’d rather see Billy help create 5 more quality centre clearances than take 5 marks around the ground to satisfy the ‘nothing around the ground’ lynch mob.


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[MOLTEN GANGLANDS]

Sinclair had a very poor game, but his previous two were great so he retains his spot.

I've been warming to dunstan, he does a lot of good in and under work when he's actually on the field, and we don't have anyone to replace him. Armo is gonna have to get it more than 20 times for sandy to get a recall.

Hind is pushing but our back 6 played pretty well, can't see who he replaces, maybe geary to the midfield as mentioned above.

the only real changes I'd like to see are

Joyce for Kent, Battle goes forward.

I'd argue Battle's pressure up forward was as good or better than Kent has been so far this year. Remember all those crunching tackles? He's an enforcer in the Rooke mould except he can also play football.

I also think Marsh will be a very handy player for us and think he will make us better down back or up forward, when he's right to go that is.

edit: If steven's fit he comes in, probably for kent

 

[CaptainRisky]

Watch a bit closer the next time that Billy plays. In particular watch the path he clears for our mids and the physical pressure he puts on opposition mids.

I’d rather see Billy help create 5 more quality centre clearances than take 5 marks around the ground to satisfy the ‘nothing around the ground’ lynch mob.


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Billy taking 5 marks in a game , more like 2 if he is having a good day

 

[Strahany]

I don’t see the point in sending Battle forward when he likes won’t be selected in front of Membrey, Bruce, or King as a forward, long term. Keep him in defence to keep gaining experience, since Brown is closing out his career and Carlisle is up in the air at this point.

With respect to 3 tall forwards, the concern is mostly surrounding their lack of mobility, and inability to apply pressure or contest when the ball hits the deck. That wouldn’t be a major issue (if at all) since Bruce is somewhat above average for a KPF in those categories, Membrey certainly is, King too, and then Marshall is reasonably good (if we bring in another ruckman and sit him forward more often). People are acting as if we’d have three Koschitzke’s circa 2011

 

[Murraj1966]

Young for Kent
Stuv for Acres

 

[plugger66]

Young for Kent
Stuv for Acres

Just on young. May need to be brought down a peg or two. Has a very high opinion of himself apparently which isn’t going down well with players

 

[Sab22]

Right now, we are really only playing one tall. Membrey may have many traits tall forwards have, but he isn't tall. He is 188cm and by only playing him and Bruce, he has to play on a defender who is 5-6cm taller than him. To get the best out of Membrey, we need another tall in our forward line so he can match up on the 3rd defender.

exactly why he blossomed when we had Bruce, Roo with Members, then with Paddy and Marshall.

I don't mind playing Longer or Pierce with Marshall till Paddy comes back even KINGS debut.

 

[Big 0]

Battle was so good down back on the weekend, save for a pretty ordinary kicking error. Don’t know why we’d want to throw him forward when he performs well down back and the underperformance of the forward line is more to do with quality of entry than anything else.

 

[CaptainRisky]

exactly why he blossomed when we had Bruce, Roo with Members, then with Paddy and Marshall.

I don't mind playing Longer or Pierce with Marshall till Paddy comes back even KINGS debut.

Im no doctor which i have clearly been told by one or two on here but if we see Paddy back id be very surprised and even if he was good to go would he be in our best 22 without the hand outs he has been given , I think not

 

[Big 0]

I too like the idea of geary on the wing.

Not because he'd be a great wingman- but unlike every other option we have- he can win his own ball.

We're gonna win more games of football with 15 geary helicopter kicks going our way than we will from 5 sinclair/acres etc passes

Gears is far too desperate a defender to leave out of the backline. Was inspirational again on the weekend, especially freo started getting on top (all three times)

 

[plugger66]

Gears is far too desperate a defender to leave out of the backline. Was inspirational again on the weekend, especially freo started getting on top (all three times)

And we aren’t going to tag with a non mid anyway because it means you are short of a proper mid.

 

[majortinkle]

Just my opinion

Battle was played back , because we had an excess number of forwards with McCartin in the team .

Think it’s fantastic education for him long term , but the whole purpose of the exercise is to win games.
we have a player in Joyce that has improved out of sight not playing , Battle was touted as swingman
to play forward or back whatever is greater need , until Max King starts playing the need is forward.

In the coming weeks we will have Marsh , Clavarino , King returning , haven’t included McCartin in the
conversation but he was 6 weeks ago their whole planning was about having 3 marking options forward.

By the way Sicily has played forward & back this year , they play him where the greatest need is too.

Regardless of McCartin who they will have had in their thinking I think they're looking longer term and thinking King, Bruce and Membrey will be the go for the next 2 or 3 if McCartin can't make it.

Battle can come in for Bruce when he's on the downward if needed but until then we try him back for a longer spell to get the games into him

Marsh wasn't around when we made that call but they could be thinking Clavarino and Battle for the 2 keys long term or long term Battle is our Glibert utility and this gives him the grounding down back.

 

[majortinkle]

I prefer to think the non-optimal element of how we played last week was bombing it in long when we only had 1.5 talls and small forwards pressuring at the breakdown (rather than at the drop) rather than we were too small so we should keep bombing long and get taller to compensate

 

[plugger66]

I prefer to think the non-optimal element of how we played last week was bombing it in long when we only had 1.5 talls and small forwards pressuring at the breakdown (rather than at the drop) rather than we were too small so we should keep bombing long and get taller to compensate

We say all this and it maybe partly true but we had less inside 50’s than freo but more shots at goal. If we were bad they must have been worse based on that. I think the real reason is because we follow our club so closely we see every mistake where as other sides are probably doing similar things. We also had more intercept marks than freo

 

[Mat Mann]

Kent the obvious out for me, 4 tackles and 2 goals in 3 games as a pressure fwd id not good enough. Would like to see a small fwd in that can actually play a small fwd role, ours are rarely seen at the marking contest, or if they are they're flying for it and not looking for the crumb. Think Membrey is getting too far away from goals.

Battle stays back. let the kid grow and learn.

our system still needs lots of work, another game lost through dumb football ( long bomb i50 entry ), cant fault the heart or fight though

 

[Joffaboy]

Just on young. May need to be brought down a peg or two. Has a very high opinion of himself apparently which isn’t going down well with players

That's a bit of a shame. All well and good to have confidence in one's self, look at how Parker has adapted

Another alltogether to be an over confident pain.
Surprised it hasn't happened in the past.

 

[Mat Mann]

We say all this and it maybe partly true but we had less inside 50’s than freo but more shots at goal. If we were bad they must have been worse based on that. I think the real reason is because we follow our club so closely we see every mistake where as other sides are probably doing similar things. We also had more intercept marks than freo

It has to an instructed part of the game, even when we switched the ball we again kicked it long the the exact same spot, which of course negates switching the ball in the 1st place. we dont seem capable of thinking defensive when going forwards, its ok to attack the goal square but when you are continually out marked or rebounded against, then go long to the point post to force a throw in. We are hugely predictable in that manner and its easy for teams to defend, If we do similar against the Hawks watch how many time they go coast to coast with clean disposal.

 

[VDS66]

This whole forward talls discussion is doing my head in.

If the plan was two talls to lead up the ground and one to stay back and be surrounded by smalls, then fair enough.

Otherwise, we are generating shots on goal but are not effective.

The problem seems the entry into the 50.

Need to fix leading patterns and enties.

 

[plugger66]

It has to an instructed part of the game, even when we switched the ball we again kicked it long the the exact same spot, which of course negates switching the ball in the 1st place. we dont seem capable of thinking defensive when going forwards, its ok to attack the goal square but when you are continually out marked or rebounded against, then go long to the point post to force a throw in. We are hugely predictable in that manner and its easy for teams to defend, If we do similar against the Hawks watch how many time they go coast to coast with clean disposal.

Predictable isn’t a problem if the game plan works. I’ve heard many say hawthorn were so predictable when on their great run. I don’t believe they are told to kick it long to the goal square even if only the opposition are there. It happens because of pressure on the kicker.

 

[The Enemy Within]

Nothing wrong with game style or forward patterns fix the goal kicking & we win all discussion then becomes irrelevant .

 

[Joffaboy]

Dinny thinking

Steven and White for Kent and Wilkie

 

[bird_man]

Dinny thinking

Steven and White for Kent and Wilkie

Just read that?

I'd be very puzzled if Wilkie were dropped for White.