What They're Saying - The Bulldogs Media Thread - Part 3

[dergert]

Can someone post sam landsbergers article about Schache?

 

[Hard Ball Get]

Can someone post sam landsbergers article about Schache?

If my auntie had balls..

How Josh Schache trade cost Western Bulldogs two of the AFL’s most promising key defenders, GWS’ Sam Taylor and Gold Coast’s Charlie Ballard
SAM LANDSBERGERHERALD SUN APRIL 24, 2019
With Aaron Naughton at full forward, Zaine Cordy (193cm) was the only key defender picked against a Carlton team boasting best-afield Harry McKay (204cm), Levi Casboult (198cm) and Mitch McGovern (191cm).

Expensive free agent Jackson Trengove (197cm) and premiership defender Fletcher Roberts (196cm) are wildly out of favour and their strong VFL form again went unrewarded.

But they were not the only key defenders the Dogs could’ve had access to.

With 30 seconds left in the 2017 trade period, stressed football boss Chris Grant signed off on a deal for homesick full-forward Schache.

Needing to save face after the public disaster that was Jake Stringer’s exit, the Dogs emerged as the only buyer for the talented yet unproven goalkicker.

Western Bulldogs traded pick 25 and 40 for Josh Schache, which could have netted two of the AFL’s most promising defenders. Picture: Michael Klein.

But with Brisbane Lions asking for more than just pick No. 25, the Dogs buckled under deadline pressure and threw in No. 40 … with nothing coming back.

Keeping those two picks would’ve delivered a draft bonanza for the Dogs.

After grabbing Naughton and Ed Richards in the first round, backmen Charlie Ballard and Sam Taylor were high on the club’s talent board.

How handy would they have been against the Blues?

Given Taylor lasted until pick 28 (GWS) and Ballard until 42 (Gold Coast) it is possible that both would’ve made it to the Dogs.

While teenagers Taylor and Ballard are off Broadway, they’ve played every game this year and are rated as emerging stars by their expansion clubs.

Taylor is a key defender who intercepts well next to Phil Davis, while Ballard has stood up in Rory Thompson’s absence after shooting from 180cm to 197cm in two years.

GWS defender Sam Taylor, rated one of the AFL’s most promising backmen, could have been a Tiger.

The Dogs had form in that part of the draft. In 2014 they took Toby McLean at No. 26, Bailey Dale at No. 45 and Caleb Daniel at No. 46.

McLean and Daniel played in the 2016 premiership, as did 2015 No. 25 pick Josh Dunkley.

A sweaty Grant emerged after deadline confident Schache and Tom Boyd would work in the same attack.

“We see a great combination between both those players, but also ‘Roughy’ (Jordan Roughead) in the ruck, so we’re really well placed,” Grant said.

Little more than a year on and Roughead is gone, Schache has been dropped and Boyd requires months in the VFL after a serious back problem.

If Schache, Trengove and Boyd team up for Footscray on Sunday the Dogs will have close to $2 million of this year’s salary cap in the VFL.

It is still unfair to question Schache, who is not the only early pick struggling in his fourth season.

The Seymour boy booted four goals in Round 2 but then endured a lean fortnight, where he managed five kicks for no score as coach Luke Beveridge lost patience with him.

But it isn’t too early to question the trade, and Ballard and Taylor provide a clearer assessment of whether the Dogs paid too much.

 

[dergert]

If my auntie had balls..

How Josh Schache trade cost Western Bulldogs two of the AFL’s most promising key defenders, GWS’ Sam Taylor and Gold Coast’s Charlie Ballard
SAM LANDSBERGERHERALD SUN APRIL 24, 2019
With Aaron Naughton at full forward, Zaine Cordy (193cm) was the only key defender picked against a Carlton team boasting best-afield Harry McKay (204cm), Levi Casboult (198cm) and Mitch McGovern (191cm).

Expensive free agent Jackson Trengove (197cm) and premiership defender Fletcher Roberts (196cm) are wildly out of favour and their strong VFL form again went unrewarded.

But they were not the only key defenders the Dogs could’ve had access to.

With 30 seconds left in the 2017 trade period, stressed football boss Chris Grant signed off on a deal for homesick full-forward Schache.

Needing to save face after the public disaster that was Jake Stringer’s exit, the Dogs emerged as the only buyer for the talented yet unproven goalkicker.

Western Bulldogs traded pick 25 and 40 for Josh Schache, which could have netted two of the AFL’s most promising defenders. Picture: Michael Klein.

But with Brisbane Lions asking for more than just pick No. 25, the Dogs buckled under deadline pressure and threw in No. 40 … with nothing coming back.

Keeping those two picks would’ve delivered a draft bonanza for the Dogs.

After grabbing Naughton and Ed Richards in the first round, backmen Charlie Ballard and Sam Taylor were high on the club’s talent board.

How handy would they have been against the Blues?

Given Taylor lasted until pick 28 (GWS) and Ballard until 42 (Gold Coast) it is possible that both would’ve made it to the Dogs.

While teenagers Taylor and Ballard are off Broadway, they’ve played every game this year and are rated as emerging stars by their expansion clubs.

Taylor is a key defender who intercepts well next to Phil Davis, while Ballard has stood up in Rory Thompson’s absence after shooting from 180cm to 197cm in two years.

GWS defender Sam Taylor, rated one of the AFL’s most promising backmen, could have been a Tiger.

The Dogs had form in that part of the draft. In 2014 they took Toby McLean at No. 26, Bailey Dale at No. 45 and Caleb Daniel at No. 46.

McLean and Daniel played in the 2016 premiership, as did 2015 No. 25 pick Josh Dunkley.

A sweaty Grant emerged after deadline confident Schache and Tom Boyd would work in the same attack.

“We see a great combination between both those players, but also ‘Roughy’ (Jordan Roughead) in the ruck, so we’re really well placed,” Grant said.

Little more than a year on and Roughead is gone, Schache has been dropped and Boyd requires months in the VFL after a serious back problem.

If Schache, Trengove and Boyd team up for Footscray on Sunday the Dogs will have close to $2 million of this year’s salary cap in the VFL.

It is still unfair to question Schache, who is not the only early pick struggling in his fourth season.

The Seymour boy booted four goals in Round 2 but then endured a lean fortnight, where he managed five kicks for no score as coach Luke Beveridge lost patience with him.

But it isn’t too early to question the trade, and Ballard and Taylor provide a clearer assessment of whether the Dogs paid too much.

Landsberger is such a nark.

 

[The Inbetweener]

Landsberger is such a nark.

He gets very good mail.

If he is pointing out a problem it’s because someone in there has given it to him

Perhaps Grant has a few haters internally.

 

[Dogsman16]

To be fair to our recruiters Naughton was drafted as a KPD and we had Adams on our list as well at the time.

Last season it seemed we were good for KPD’s. Adams left unexpectedly and Naughton is probably our most capable forward.

All that article shows is that you can find capable KPDs later in the draft. Hence why we should persist with Naughton forward.

 

[dergert]

He gets very good mail.

If he is pointing out a problem it’s because someone in there has given it to him

Perhaps Grant has a few haters internally.

I don't doubt Landsberger's sources, i just question the timing of the piece not to mention it's effect on Schache.

A doggies poster with good info said last year that Grant is not highly regarded within footy circles. A list manager should be the only one to facilitate a trade imo (with input from the senior coach of course).

 

[The Inbetweener]

I don't doubt Landsberger's sources, i just question the timing of the piece not to mention it's effect on Schache.

A doggies poster with good info said last year that Grant is not highly regarded within footy circles. A list manager should be the only one to facilitate a trade imo (with input from the senior coach of course).

I’ve certainly heard some poor stories from people involved in player management who think he is well over his head.
Think at that stage Jmac knew he was on the way out so Grant took over.

 

[Beasley]

Pretty ordinary article. Seems thrive on negative aspects that appear aimed infer criticism on Grant and Schache.
Time will tell.

 

[VogonProsthetnic]

Apart from his last two games Schache has been excellent. We missed out on a promising player and got a no 2 draft pick - what's his point?

 

[Substance]

I wouldn't say excellent. Take out the past 2 games, he's been maybe 5 or 6 out of 10. But there has always been this problem of does he want it enough? He's got no mongrel and won't be a good player until he gets some.

 

[AuTo00Z]

So just one more on Rocket, with Luke Darcy giving his piece on Triple M this morning. Says "this is 100% Rocket" at the 1:45 mark. However you interpret that is up to you, but either way, seems a lot more likely to be real now with Darcy & Ox's opinions, and lack of denial by Rocket.

https://omny.fm/shows/hot-breakfast/the-hot-breakfast-on-the-rocket-eade-will-minson/embed

 

[Dogs Rule]

Couldn't agree more. I've always thought that the two highest ranked Victorian teams from the previous year should have the privilege of playing on the day.

2019 - Pies v Tiges
2018 - Tiges v Cats
2017 - Dogs v Cats

Think back to the quality of games that Cats, Saints, Pies and Hawks played from 2008 - 2011...the kind of games that deserved the grandest of stages.

How much more prestigious would the ANZAC medal be if guys like Lenny Hayes and Luke Hodge had a chance to win one.

But, Collingwood and Essendon invented Anzac Day didn't they?

The day is about their football match and that only isn't it?

Without Collingwood and Essendon I doubt we would even get the public holiday would we?

No other clubs would ever be able to do the day justice would they? What do you reckon Ed? Sheedy?

 

[perro_loco]

If my auntie had balls..

How Josh Schache trade cost Western Bulldogs two of the AFL’s most promising key defenders, GWS’ Sam Taylor and Gold Coast’s Charlie Ballard
SAM LANDSBERGERHERALD SUN APRIL 24, 2019
With Aaron Naughton at full forward, Zaine Cordy (193cm) was the only key defender picked against a Carlton team boasting best-afield Harry McKay (204cm), Levi Casboult (198cm) and Mitch McGovern (191cm).

Expensive free agent Jackson Trengove (197cm) and premiership defender Fletcher Roberts (196cm) are wildly out of favour and their strong VFL form again went unrewarded.

But they were not the only key defenders the Dogs could’ve had access to.

With 30 seconds left in the 2017 trade period, stressed football boss Chris Grant signed off on a deal for homesick full-forward Schache.

Needing to save face after the public disaster that was Jake Stringer’s exit, the Dogs emerged as the only buyer for the talented yet unproven goalkicker.

Western Bulldogs traded pick 25 and 40 for Josh Schache, which could have netted two of the AFL’s most promising defenders. Picture: Michael Klein.

But with Brisbane Lions asking for more than just pick No. 25, the Dogs buckled under deadline pressure and threw in No. 40 … with nothing coming back.

Keeping those two picks would’ve delivered a draft bonanza for the Dogs.

After grabbing Naughton and Ed Richards in the first round, backmen Charlie Ballard and Sam Taylor were high on the club’s talent board.

How handy would they have been against the Blues?

Given Taylor lasted until pick 28 (GWS) and Ballard until 42 (Gold Coast) it is possible that both would’ve made it to the Dogs.

While teenagers Taylor and Ballard are off Broadway, they’ve played every game this year and are rated as emerging stars by their expansion clubs.

Taylor is a key defender who intercepts well next to Phil Davis, while Ballard has stood up in Rory Thompson’s absence after shooting from 180cm to 197cm in two years.

GWS defender Sam Taylor, rated one of the AFL’s most promising backmen, could have been a Tiger.

The Dogs had form in that part of the draft. In 2014 they took Toby McLean at No. 26, Bailey Dale at No. 45 and Caleb Daniel at No. 46.

McLean and Daniel played in the 2016 premiership, as did 2015 No. 25 pick Josh Dunkley.

A sweaty Grant emerged after deadline confident Schache and Tom Boyd would work in the same attack.

“We see a great combination between both those players, but also ‘Roughy’ (Jordan Roughead) in the ruck, so we’re really well placed,” Grant said.

Little more than a year on and Roughead is gone, Schache has been dropped and Boyd requires months in the VFL after a serious back problem.

If Schache, Trengove and Boyd team up for Footscray on Sunday the Dogs will have close to $2 million of this year’s salary cap in the VFL.

It is still unfair to question Schache, who is not the only early pick struggling in his fourth season.

The Seymour boy booted four goals in Round 2 but then endured a lean fortnight, where he managed five kicks for no score as coach Luke Beveridge lost patience with him.

But it isn’t too early to question the trade, and Ballard and Taylor provide a clearer assessment of whether the Dogs paid too much.

This is like saying: "If my dear grandmother had not died, she would still be alive". Lots of conjecture and diatribe. You know if I had bought bitcoin at 0.0001 of a cent, I would be a billionaire. BIG T%RD of an article.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

"...if the dog didnt stop for shit we'd have rabbits for dinner."

Whos to say that we wouldn't have taken any of the numerous utilities that would've been available with the same picks.

History says you wouldn't bet against us doing just that.

 

[Substance]

http://www.youtubemultiplier.com/5cbf0e7d31f88-rocket-vs-will-minson.php

I think we have a right to be pissed off if that's what was going on in the coaches box that night.

 

[_M_16_]

Western Bulldogs’ burning question: Is this the week they finally start kicking straight for goal?

They better, because it’s cost them substantially across the first five weeks. In fact, according to Champion Data, the Bulldogs’ shot-at-goal accuracy of 37.7 per cent is the second-worst ever recorded from a side after Round 5. The biggest culprit has been their best player Marcus Bontempelli, who’s kicked a staggering 1.9 to date. Fellow midfielder Tom Liberatore (2.5) has also struggled in front of goal, while equal-leading goalkicker Billy Gowers (7.7) is going at 50-50. The key to accurate goalkicking is ensuring shots at goal come as deep as possible, which will be tough against Fremantle — the No. 1 defence so far in 2019 and the team that scored six goals from eight shots in the fourth quarter against the Giants last week.

 

[Munnez]

To be fair to our recruiters Naughton was drafted as a KPD and we had Adams on our list as well at the time.

Last season it seemed we were good for KPD’s. Adams left unexpectedly and Naughton is probably our most capable forward.

All that article shows is that you can find capable KPDs later in the draft. Hence why we should persist with Naughton forward.

Even had we drafted them would Bevo be playing them??

 

[Mantis Toboggan]

If my auntie had balls..

How Josh Schache trade cost Western Bulldogs two of the AFL’s most promising key defenders, GWS’ Sam Taylor and Gold Coast’s Charlie Ballard
SAM LANDSBERGERHERALD SUN APRIL 24, 2019
With Aaron Naughton at full forward, Zaine Cordy (193cm) was the only key defender picked against a Carlton team boasting best-afield Harry McKay (204cm), Levi Casboult (198cm) and Mitch McGovern (191cm).

Expensive free agent Jackson Trengove (197cm) and premiership defender Fletcher Roberts (196cm) are wildly out of favour and their strong VFL form again went unrewarded.

But they were not the only key defenders the Dogs could’ve had access to.

With 30 seconds left in the 2017 trade period, stressed football boss Chris Grant signed off on a deal for homesick full-forward Schache.

Needing to save face after the public disaster that was Jake Stringer’s exit, the Dogs emerged as the only buyer for the talented yet unproven goalkicker.

Western Bulldogs traded pick 25 and 40 for Josh Schache, which could have netted two of the AFL’s most promising defenders. Picture: Michael Klein.

But with Brisbane Lions asking for more than just pick No. 25, the Dogs buckled under deadline pressure and threw in No. 40 … with nothing coming back.

Keeping those two picks would’ve delivered a draft bonanza for the Dogs.

After grabbing Naughton and Ed Richards in the first round, backmen Charlie Ballard and Sam Taylor were high on the club’s talent board.

How handy would they have been against the Blues?

Given Taylor lasted until pick 28 (GWS) and Ballard until 42 (Gold Coast) it is possible that both would’ve made it to the Dogs.

While teenagers Taylor and Ballard are off Broadway, they’ve played every game this year and are rated as emerging stars by their expansion clubs.

Taylor is a key defender who intercepts well next to Phil Davis, while Ballard has stood up in Rory Thompson’s absence after shooting from 180cm to 197cm in two years.

GWS defender Sam Taylor, rated one of the AFL’s most promising backmen, could have been a Tiger.

The Dogs had form in that part of the draft. In 2014 they took Toby McLean at No. 26, Bailey Dale at No. 45 and Caleb Daniel at No. 46.

McLean and Daniel played in the 2016 premiership, as did 2015 No. 25 pick Josh Dunkley.

A sweaty Grant emerged after deadline confident Schache and Tom Boyd would work in the same attack.

“We see a great combination between both those players, but also ‘Roughy’ (Jordan Roughead) in the ruck, so we’re really well placed,” Grant said.

Little more than a year on and Roughead is gone, Schache has been dropped and Boyd requires months in the VFL after a serious back problem.

If Schache, Trengove and Boyd team up for Footscray on Sunday the Dogs will have close to $2 million of this year’s salary cap in the VFL.

It is still unfair to question Schache, who is not the only early pick struggling in his fourth season.

The Seymour boy booted four goals in Round 2 but then endured a lean fortnight, where he managed five kicks for no score as coach Luke Beveridge lost patience with him.

But it isn’t too early to question the trade, and Ballard and Taylor provide a clearer assessment of whether the Dogs paid too much.

At picks 28 & 42 didn’t every other club overlook these players for some reason or another?

What a dumb angle to come at the issue.

 

[mcgleereturns]

Even had we drafted them would Bevo be playing them??

Of course. In the ruck relieving Josh Dunkley.


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[Timewillcome]

We have players on the list now who could have covered Carlton's big forwards. None of them are Tony Lockett but we underrated what they could do it left unchecked. Why look to the draft. It team selection was the problem.

 

[Munnez]

Lack of anything like pressure on the ball carrier was a major contributing factor also

 

[BRWB]

The interesting part of the Landsberger article is the source. Simon Dalrymple seems a good candidate as someone still pissed off at JMAc spending all of 'his' picks. Reckon the footy industry will take note and Dal may find his next job tougher to find.


The whole Schache trade always seemed a face saver to me after the horrific deal for Stringer and the even worse draft pick swap with SOS.

The biggest concern with Schache remains - lack of hunger or desire and resilience. Unfortunately hunger is something pretty much impossible to teach. Reckon his last minute recruitment was the height of amateur hour.

Fingers crossed that somehow the deal comes off and Schache miraculously finds the hunger and consistency that goes with it.

 

[Munnez]

Still looking for that breakaway mid with great delivery to bring our Tall Forwards into play better.
Long Bomb down the line is never going to do it. Would like the ball put to advantage occasionally rather than dropped on top of their heads.
Make that two so he can't get taggedvout of the game

 

[D Mitchell]

Still l...ould like the ball put to advantage occasionally rather than dropped on top of their heads.
...

and not only into the forward line, that delivery occurs all over the ground.

 

[Dogs Rule]

At picks 28 & 42 didn’t every other club overlook these players for some reason or another?

What a dumb angle to come at the issue.

That's what happens when you have hundreds of journos looking for new angles.

You get the '2010 draft revisited' or the 'if your Aunty had balls she would be your uncle' type articles. It's garbage.