Current Claremont Murders Discussion & Edwards trial updates

[Beatnicked]

1 Congdon st has underground garage door carpark only 2 minutes away from abduction site.

No evidence produced so far the telephone exchange was used by the accused at time if alleged abductions.

 

[Beatnicked]

This could be grand daddy?

My research shows it is not his grandfather or uncles.

 

[Badge666]

All systems go for the trial then a piece of evidence materialises that needs to be tested , could lead to delays... a part of a uniform that seems to have been completly forgotten about { It was standard issue , apparently }
This all seems legit to me

Interesting isn't it. I was half expecting more charges to be laid against the accused on the eve of the trial as a psychological tactic to hopefully induce a backflip and a plea. But this" Mystery" very significant evidence turns up instead.
They reported the accused listened" intently" as it was discussed .
Lets not forget the he is currently getting some very uncomfortable "special treatment ' in gaol after his self harm attempt....authorities would be playing that for all it is worth..."for his own protection " of course..making life annoying, unbearable...they would also be in his ear.".cop a guilty plea ,reveal location of body (s)....spare your own and victims families anguish of a trial. do the right thing, everybody makes mistakes ..fade back into "normal" prison life with a playstation and model cars to build in a comfy single billet cell.....

 

[GreyCrow]

"Im not sure how to read this , have they had the clothing from another employee since the 90s … or has the employee had it since the 90s "

If they had the item since the 90's it would have been tested along with the other items they had. I do find it odd for it show up all of sudden now though.



"It could be fibres but I doubt it. "

"The court was told the item was being analysed so that fibres from the piece of clothing could be compared with other fibres in evidence, and Ms Barbagallo foreshadowed a report may not be complete until mid to late June. "

While this is an interesting breakthrough and may change the trial, reading the above , they had these miscellaneous fibres all this time and never connected them to any material? I understand forensics has come a long way but even late 90s and early 2000s you would understand fibre evidence.

Look forward to more of this

 

[BFew]

Thinking of wearables or parts of wearables that rarely or never get washed or might get fibres lodged in them for years or decades.

Maybe fibres inside of work boots, transferred from car floor, wagon boot floor, or back seat, to foot sock. Then from foot sock to inside of work boot during a change of shoes, when changing from normal shoes to work boot in the car.

Although for work wearable items you might hang onto for longest because they might be useable, the tool pouch with metal tools inside, is the winner.

Noting that the wearable item might not have been kept or stored by someone for decades, for its usability.

Maybe just stored and forgotten about.

Possibly a hand me down/up to a relative or friend in need. To someone that has a tendency to hoard things, or keep items for that rainy day use. Like going under the house or into the roof when a helmet might come in handy.

 

[Power Raid]

All systems go for the trial then a piece of evidence materialises that needs to be tested , could lead to delays... a part of a uniform that seems to have been completly forgotten about { It was standard issue , apparently }
This all seems legit to me

I’d have it a guess it’s already been tested once by forensics and delivered. Thus warrants a delay, in the eyes of a judge, whilst independent testing is carried out.

I just can’t see a judge entertaining a delay for “yeah mate, we got this telecom uniform thingie, we ain’t done any testing right but we request a delay mate cause it gonna be good”


I’m tipping the “same” car fibres as with those found on a body. Not just the same fabric fibres but the same batch.

 

[BonzaRam]

While this is an interesting breakthrough and may change the trial, reading the above , they had these miscellaneous fibres all this time and never connected them to any material? I understand forensics has come a long way but even late 90s and early 2000s you would understand fibre evidence.

Look forward to more of this

They retested for fibres in 2016 when they seized the Commodore from it's then owner.

 

[Melsy]

Or the front building the actual exchange where the operator operated swtchboards were manned and the rear stretched building a warehouse. The Cott Council heritage site listings refers to 1 Congdon as a warehouse building.

The rear warehouse building could be a store for techs working in the area. In 1975 PMG was divided.

Do note Postmasters certainly did reside on-site or next door to these buildings when it was the PMG.

Not sure who dealt with telegrams but some services might have been on call 24 hours.

Australian computer services were originally controlled by the Postmaster-General's Department (PMG),[3] formed in 1901 as a result of Australian Federation. Prior to 1901, telecommunications were administered by each colony. On 1 July 1975, separate commissions were established by statute to replace the PMG. Responsibility for postal services was transferred to the Australian Postal Commission (Australia Post). The Australian Telecommunications Commission(ATC), trading as Telecom Australia, ran domestic telecommunication services.
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The network continued to expand in size and sophistication until 1959 and in heavy usage until 1945, after which time telephone usage began to erode public patronage of telegraphy services. The final publicly provided telegraphy service was closed in 1993.

 

[Melsy]

I’d have it a guess it’s already been tested once by forensics and delivered. Thus warrants a delay, in the eyes of a judge, whilst independent testing is carried out.

I just can’t see a judge entertaining a delay for “yeah mate, we got this telecom uniform thingie, we ain’t done any testing right but we request a delay mate cause it gonna be good”

I’m tipping the “same” car fibres as with those found on a body. Not just the same fabric fibres but the same batch.

That would only suggest he was wearing the uniform when driving the car which is all of the time.

Hardly a revelation really worth stalling a trial.

 

[Melsy]

Potentially the car is driven to the Congdon st Exchange underground carpark where cars are swapped.
Garage entry Clive st.

 

[GreyCrow]

They retested for fibres in 2016 when they seized the Commodore from it's then owner.

Commodore vehicle has Telstra fibres. Stop the press.

The way it read was these materials were only just presented. I dont see it as the Commodore fibres or associated with the Commodore.

 

[BlueE]

I imagine there’s more than one way that the prosecution could try and delay the trial if they really wanted too.

If we’re lucky we’ll find out just how rouge the herring is at some point down the track.

And it seems they may be trying one way to delay out.

 

[tapdancingbear]

Commodore vehicle has Telstra fibres. Stop the press.

The way it read was these materials were only just presented. I dont see it as the Commodore fibres or associated with the Commodore.

That's how I read it , they were presented recently by a former Telstra employee ... if that's the case and the fibres connect to the crime then someone else was in possession of this clothing since the 1990s , not the accused

That would be worth delaying the trial for … maybe someone else is involved

 

[Coastie19]

Here is information that shows something about the Claremont young ladies birthdate and the accused's birthdate.

The accused 7 December day 341...24 days to end of year

Sarah 12 September...110 days to the end of year.

Jane 12 October....80 days to end of year

Ciara 19 November...41 days to end of year.

Add up all days to end of year 24 110 80 and 41 = 255 days which is 12 September Sarah's birthdate.

All a coincidence of course....not.

FFS can this pathetic numbers crapbe moved to another thread to stop clogging up this one?

 

[Girlnextdoor]

This is the type of clothing my old school friend's used to wear when he was a Telecom technician.
He also had a jacket. I suppose the nice gear would've been when he worked indoors on clients premises.
Anyhow, my old school friend did say that the accused worked on the team that did emergency repairs. Everyone wanted to be on that team, because you got called out to jobs at anytime, even in the middle of the night, so they got overtime money and on call allowance. My old School friend worked in the other team that was managed by the accused dad. They didn't get to go on any emergency call outs, so they were always jealous of the accused team. They were the privileged mob, he said. When the redundancies came, they were immune from the pressure from Telstra. Telstra even moved my old school friend into working in a windowless building on Wellington St. These were the pressure tactics Telstra used to encourage technicians to take the voluntary redundancy offer. In the end Geoff took the redundancy, but to show how wasteful Telstra was, they had just given him a cupboard of new clothes. I imagine that a techie like my old school friend finally found someone to take their old new clothes off their hands.

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Just a question PD, did these uniforms have their first names on them on the left side, above the pocket way back in the 1990s? I know a lot of tradies and even Telstra staff now I'm pretty sure, do. We had a bloke from Telstra out recently to fix our phone and I'm certain he had his first name on his shirt as I remember glancing at it as I'd forgotten what he mumbled when he arrived. This might be a new innovation by Telstra to attempt to establish good PR (good luck with that!) but I was wondering, IF someone might have found an old shirt rolled up and stuffed somewhere at the back of a locker, perhaps that they have taken over from BRE, and seen the first name on it and come forward with the item? Probably a stupid thought, but then again it seems nothing is impossible in this case!

 

[tapdancingbear]

Just a question PD, did these uniforms have their first names on them on the left side, above the pocket way back in the 1990s? I know a lot of tradies and even Telstra staff now I'm pretty sure, do. We had a bloke from Telstra out recently to fix our phone and I'm certain he had his first name on his shirt as I remember glancing at it as I'd forgotten what he mumbled when he arrived. This might be a new innovation by Telstra to attempt to establish good PR (good luck with that!) but I was wondering, IF someone might have found an old shirt rolled up and stuffed somewhere at the back of a locker, perhaps that they have taken over from BRE, and seen the first name on it and come forward with the item? Probably a stupid thought, but then again it seems nothing is impossible in this case!

That makes sense if it is something with his name on it

 

[Coastie19]

"She said the items were provided by a Telstra employee who had worked for the company in the 1990s, and the clothing was "utilised by technicians at the time".

The court heard the prosecution planned to compare fibres from the clothing with fibres found on other materials".

I am reading to be potentially more fibres found on one or more victims, similar to the car fibres and now have something to compare it to

 

[Melsy]

Just a question PD, did these uniforms have their first names on them on the left side, above the pocket way back in the 1990s? I know a lot of tradies and even Telstra staff now I'm pretty sure, do. We had a bloke from Telstra out recently to fix our phone and I'm certain he had his first name on his shirt as I remember glancing at it as I'd forgotten what he mumbled when he arrived. This might be a new innovation by Telstra to attempt to establish good PR (good luck with that!) but I was wondering, IF someone might have found an old shirt rolled up and stuffed somewhere at the back of a locker, perhaps that they have taken over from BRE, and seen the first name on it and come forward with the item? Probably a stupid thought, but then again it seems nothing is impossible in this case!

You mean like a bluie, like the one someone was wearing with their back turned on the Romauld Zak case at Graylands.
Uniforms were nothing like todays hi viz uniforms.

 

[Melsy]

They must be testing the uniform for victims DNA in any past crimes.

Maybe it was a bluie he gave to someone? That was common in the day as they were great rain coats.

 

[Girlnextdoor]

Telecommunications in the 1990s, an information video (complete with AMAZING new inventions)!!! This is a British video but it contains a futuristic video call from London to Australia, can you believe it??? It's priceless!

 

[Melsy]

Someone might have been wearing a Telstra bluie out of uniform.
Even though it was March 14, it rained the next day after Ciara I think it was.

 

[Girlnextdoor]

Someone might have been wearing a Telstra bluie out of uniform.

YES! That's what I've been pondering, and imagine the access you could have to all sorts of places, and if anyone saw you, well you could just say something like "oh I'm just checking out a fault that's been reported" end of story. Telecom/early Telstra days was a virtual monopoly remember, you annoyed them and you'd be scared you'd have no phone line, they had the POWER!
Edit: added "virtual" as Optus came in late 1991 but took a fair while before they gained any foothold.

 

[Coastie19]

YES! That's what I've been pondering, and imagine the access you could have to all sorts of places, and if anyone saw you, well you could just say something like "oh I'm just checking out a fault that's been reported" end of story. Telecom/early Telstra days was a virtual monopoly remember, you annoyed them and you'd be scared you'd have no phone line, they had the POWER!
Edit: added "virtual" as Optus came in late 1991 but took a fair while before they gained any foothold.

Is there a chance he could have patched into the taxi number with his knowledge of the phone lines, then when the victim's have called and left their names he could have driven straight there in his car which was modified or looked similar and quoted their name/s when he turned up from around the corner. Or is this not possible?

Or just lurking in his car with the uniform on or dressed up as a woman (which he likes) and offered the ride....

 

[Girlnextdoor]

Is there a chance he could have patched into the taxi number with his knowledge of the phone lines, then when the victim's have called and left their names he could have driven straight there in his car which was modified or looked similar and quoted their name/s when he turned up from around the corner. Or is this not possible?

Or just lurking in his car with the uniform on or dressed up as a woman (which he likes) and offered the ride....

Hi Coastie19, all of the above have been discussed at great length on another website. My preference is just lurking, with uniform in car that looks like a taxi, on dark streets, women desperate to get home, bit scared alone, tired, shoes hurting (this is a very real consideration as feet get sore in heels, just want to get home and put your feet up, all ladies reading this will agree I'm pretty sure)...ah, there's a/the taxi, lean in, nice smiling man, uniform, even shows his name on shirt/jacket, must be legit, yep, get in, safe, only short trip to get home....

 

[Badge666]

Hi Coastie19, all of the above have been discussed at great length on another website. My preference is just lurking, with uniform in car that looks like a taxi, on dark streets, women desperate to get home, bit scared alone, tired, shoes hurting (this is a very real consideration as feet get sore in heels, just want to get home and put your feet up, all ladies reading this will agree I'm pretty sure)...ah, there's a/the taxi, lean in, nice smiling man, uniform, even shows his name on shirt/jacket, must be legit, yep, get in, safe, only short trip to get home....

Yes exactly , and you can also add in the shameful state of Perths Taxi service at that time.....could wait hours for a Taxi , frequent calls to operators and getting stuffed around, then if the Taxi does show up adding insult to injury getting charged an arm and a leg for the short fare home....