Religion Folau

[Evolved1]

He has not always been deeply religious , he was a party boy and has openly admitted it but has changed his ways .

Former party boy turns religious bigot. Is there any other route to finding truth? Lol

That's the problem with dumb people; they exchange one form of stupidity for another, then think they've earned the right to a microphone and pulpit.

 

[Evolved1]

Why are there so many plain morons on BF? To have an opinion and passionately but rationally and reasonably debate it is one thing no problem, but to continually be so pigheaded as to constantly argue a point that is completely erroneous and point the finger making accusations at people because you in fact have no idea at all what you are talking about is quite unbelievable. And then when it’s pointed out to you numerous times that you’re kinda wrong what you’re saying, you’ll argue with that too, instead of making a tiny effort to maybe check your facts?? I cant even imagine if anyone tried to do that in a courtroom, and this bloke tells me where have I been for the past 30 years and preaches to me about employment law

Just astounding

Are you discussing the fallacious nature of your own posts? If so, I concur.

 

[Evolved1]

Maybe if Alan Joyce spent a bit less time and effort worrying about Folaus tweets and seeing as he feels so strongly about the issue and start applying the same pressure he is on RA on to Qantas’ premium commercial partners like Emirates or Qatar airlines who are actually owned by nation states who put to death people who are homosexual? Or would that just be in the too hard basket, Folaus a lower hanging fruit and easier to make an example of

If anyone he and RA are the biggest hypocrites of all in this

Red herring.

Have Emirates or Qatar broken commercial agreements with Qantas in the same way that Folau broke the terms of his employment contract with the ARU?

 

[1970crow]

Great story but...
‘Why should Issy be able to discriminate one the basis of sexuality after he has been formally told not to and signed a contract saying he wouldn’t???

Issy isn’t descriminating against anyone, but he is warning everyone that his God is a discriminatory arsewipe. Unless you think Issy thinks that he’s God and it’s his call on whether the fornicators and drunks are allowed into Paradise. I think he’s a loon, but I don’t think he’s that far gone.

 

[FrakturedHalo]

Red herring.

Have Emirates or Qatar broken commercial agreements with Qantas in the same way that Folau broke the terms of his employment contract with the ARU?

HAS he broken the terms of his employment contract?? The people on here who claim to intimately know for a fact the details and terms contained in someone unknownst to them’s private and confidential employment contract really does amuse me.

I dare say he wouldn’t have found himself a barrister willing to represent him if this was the case, yet he somehow has, quite a high profile one as well. Let me tell you from personal experience, barristers don’t like to lose, especially a case with as much media scrutiny as what this is going to have

 

[Evolved1]

Issy isn’t descriminating against anyone, but he is warning everyone that his God is a discriminatory arsewipe. Unless you think Issy thinks that he’s God and it’s his call on whether the fornicators and drunks are allowed into Paradise. I think he’s a loon, but I don’t think he’s that far gone.

There's no objective evidence for the existence of any god, so we as a modern society have no choice but to hold believers responsible for their own bigoted beliefs.

If Folau thinks homosexuals deserve to be tortured indefinitely purely because of a sexual orientation that they have no control over, who should be held responsible?

I refuse to blame imaginary deities for the flaws of real people.

 

[FrakturedHalo]

Are you discussing the fallacious nature of your own posts? If so, I concur.

Yet another one who doesn’t seem to know what the words mean they accuse someone of. Ok genius so please explain to me, which or what part of any of my posts are based upon some erroneous belief? My belief that everyone is entitled to hold their own religious/moral/sexual/other beliefs and lifestyle choices and not be publicly vilified for them? Or my belief that people should at least know the definition of the accusations they are directing at people before making them? Or my belief that people in general need to be more open to listening and rational discussion without being as totally intolerant and ignorant as the people they are accusing of that very thing? Please, enlighten me

 

[FrakturedHalo]

There's no objective evidence for the existence of any god, so we as a modern society have no choice but to hold believers responsible for their own bigoted beliefs.

If Folau thinks homosexuals deserve to be tortured indefinitely purely because of a sexual orientation that they have no control over, who should be held responsible?

I refuse to blame imaginary deities for the flaws of real people.

There is no objective evidence of anything of the sort of which you claim

 

[Evolved1]

HAS he broken the terms of his employment contract?? The people on here who claim to intimately know for a fact the details and terms contained in someone unknownst to them’s private and confidential employment contract really does amuse me.

I dare say he wouldn’t have found himself a barrister willing to represent him if this was the case, yet he somehow has, quite a high profile one as well. Let me tell you from personal experience, barristers don’t like to lose, especially a case with as much media scrutiny as what this is going to have

"The Rugby Australia Integrity Unit deemed that Folau had committed a high-level breach of the Professional Players’ Code of Conduct warranting termination of his employment contract,” RA said in a statement on its website.

“Following the events of last year, Israel was warned formally and repeatedly about the expectations of him as player for the Wallabies and NSW Waratahs with regards to social media use and he has failed to meet those obligations,” RA Chief Executive Raelene Castle said.

“It was made clear to him that any social media posts or commentary that is in any way disrespectful to people because of their sexuality will result in disciplinary action.”

https://in.reuters.com/article/rugby-union-australia-folau-idINKCN1RR0H0

 

[Evolved1]

There is no objective evidence of anything of the sort of which you claim

I'm not interested in educating you about fundamentalist Christian beliefs about Hell. Look them up for yourself.

 

[FrakturedHalo]

"The Rugby Australia Integrity Unit deemed that Folau had committed a high-level breach of the Professional Players’ Code of Conduct warranting termination of his employment contract,” RA said in a statement on its website.

“Following the events of last year, Israel was warned formally and repeatedly about the expectations of him as player for the Wallabies and NSW Waratahs with regards to social media use and he has failed to meet those obligations,” RA Chief Executive Raelene Castle said.

“It was made clear to him that any social media posts or commentary that is in any way disrespectful to people because of their sexuality will result in disciplinary action.”

https://in.reuters.com/article/rugby-union-australia-folau-idINKCN1RR0H0

Oh dear, ok so you are taking as undeniable evidence the PR statement of an organisation who is being taken to court for unlawful termination of a contract and are in damage control of their brand? If it was so cut and dry like you seem to think it wouldn’t even see the inside of a chambers let alone the high court. Sometimes it is a good thing to do your own balanced research and make up your own informed opinion on the matter considering the perspectives from both sides and keeping your own bias’ and emotional reactions at bay as much as you can, it generally makes you a more intelligent person than just parroting the views and opinions of others

 

[FrakturedHalo]

I'm not interested in educating you about fundamentalist Christian beliefs about Hell. Look them up for yourself.

You are not interested because you can’t, you have demonstrated you don’t in fact know anything what you are talking about if you can even make the kind of quite simply ludicrous claims as you have, and then are going to cop out when challenged on them by saying you’re not interested. I don’t need to look them up honey, because I generally like to have some kind of educated knowledge on the subject I talk about before doing just that because in my line of work you just can’t go around making wild and unproven accusations or unverifiable and objectionable statements of fact, you find yourself in hot water very quickly

 

[Evolved1]

Yet another one who doesn’t seem to know what the words mean they accuse someone of. Ok genius so please explain to me, which or what part of any of my posts are based upon some erroneous belief? My belief that everyone is entitled to hold their own religious/moral/sexual/other beliefs and lifestyle choices and not be publicly vilified for them? Or my belief that people should at least know the definition of the accusations they are directing at people before making them? Or my belief that people in general need to be more open to listening and rational discussion without being as totally intolerant and ignorant as the people they are accusing of that very thing? Please, enlighten me

Your determination that people are free to act upon discriminatory beliefs with no consequence, even to the point that they're able to openly ignore and oppose company policies and contractual terms isn't based in reality.

I'm not certain that you understand anything about logical fallacies, so discussing erroneous beliefs is probably a step beyond you at this point.

I'm open to rational discussion, but it's best we venture lightly; when do you want to start?

In a hypothetical situation, would you support the right of an Adelaide crows footballer to post their belief on social media that Aboriginals are inferior to white people?

 

[Evolved1]

Oh dear, ok so you are taking as undeniable evidence the PR statement of an organisation who is being taken to court for unlawful termination of a contract and are in damage control of their brand? If it was so cut and dry like you seem to think it wouldn’t even see the inside of a chambers let alone the high court. Sometimes it is a good thing to do your own balanced research and make up your own informed opinion on the matter considering both sides of the issue, considering the perspectives from both sides and keeping your own bias’ and emotional reactions at bay as much as you can, it generally makes you a more intelligent person than just parroting the views and opinions of others

Lol.

I'm actually impressed. That's the biggest load of horseshit I've read all year, and all I can do is laugh at the stupidity of it.

For more lols, I'd love to see your balanced research. Did you speak to Folau's dog to get your balanced perspective?

 

[FrakturedHalo]

Your determination that people are free to act upon discriminatory beliefs with no consequence, even to the point that they're able to openly ignore and oppose company policies and contractual terms isn't based in reality.

I'm not certain that you understand anything about logical fallacies, so discussing erroneous beliefs is probably a step beyond you at this point.

I'm open to rational discussion, but it's best we venture lightly; when do you want to start?

In a hypothetical situation, would you support the right of an Adelaide crows footballer to post their belief on social media that Aboriginals are inferior to white people?

Lol god where do I start with this, if you are so educated and informed about logical fallacies as you purport is beyond my comprehension, I would assume you are well familiar with strawman fallacies? You seem to be since you are utilising it yourself

 

[Evolved1]

You are not interested because you can’t, you have demonstrated you don’t in fact know anything what you are talking about if you can even make the kind of quite simply ludicrous claims as you have, and then are going to cop out when challenged on them by saying you’re not interested. I don’t need to look them up honey, because I generally like to have some kind of educated knowledge on the subject I talk about before doing just that because in my line of work you just can’t go around making wild and unproven accusations or unverifiable and objectionable statements of fact, you find yourself in hot water very quickly

Lol. You claimed there was no objective evidence for my claim that fundamentalist Christians believe "homosexuals deserve to be tortured indefinitely," so clearly you haven't even read Folau's tweet.

Are you daft, mate?

 

[Evolved1]

Lol god where do I start with this, if you are so educated and informed about logical fallacies as you purport is beyond my comprehension, I would assume you are well familiar with strawman fallacies? You seem to be since you are utilising it yourself

Please point it out then.

 

[1970crow]

There's no objective evidence for the existence of any god, so we as a modern society have no choice but to hold believers responsible for their own bigoted beliefs.

If Folau thinks homosexuals deserve to be tortured indefinitely purely because of a sexual orientation that they have no control over, who should be held responsible?

I refuse to blame imaginary deities for the flaws of real people.

He didn’t say they should be tortured indefinitely though, where did you get that? Let me guess, you want to use a piece of religious rubbish to prosecute your own belief. I don’t think you can have it both ways. But if you choose to accept that Hell is a legitimate bad place to go, it’s been said that it is bad because it lacks the presence of God. Given that bloke seems to be a homophobic ass, perhaps it’s not a punishment at all. I find it odd how Up in arms atheists seem to be on this. I can understand half the Christians who disagree with that interpretation, but atheists getting involved makes no sense. Leave the religious nutters to argue amongst themselves whether God loves idolaters, gays and straights equally.

 

[FrakturedHalo]

Lol.

I'm actually impressed. That's the biggest load of horseshit I've read all year, and all I can do is laugh at the stupidity of it.

For more lols, I'd love to see your balanced research. Did you speak to Folau's dog to get your balanced perspective?

Lol. You claimed there was no objective evidence for my claim that fundamentalist Christians believe "homosexuals deserve to be tortured indefinitely," so clearly you haven't even read Folau's tweet.

Are you daft, mate?

Omg, are you honestly mad?? Please, point out to everyone here clearly, where it says “homosexuals deserve to be indefinitely tortured??”



Now who’s daft??

 

[FrakturedHalo]

Lol. You claimed there was no objective evidence for my claim that fundamentalist Christians believe "homosexuals deserve to be tortured indefinitely," so clearly you haven't even read Folau's tweet.

Are you daft, mate?

There you go with your logical fallacies again, we were talking and you made claim specifically that Folau aired a view that homosexuals should be tortured indefinitely, and now you are changing it to fundamentalist christians now in general? Do you even know what you are saying or are you actually trying to be this tricky and manipulative?

 

[Evolved1]

He didn’t say they should be tortured indefinitely though, where did you get that? Let me guess, you want to use a piece of religious rubbish to prosecute your own belief. I don’t think you can have it both ways. But if you choose to accept that Hell is a legitimate bad place to go, it’s been said that it is bad because it lacks the presence of God. Given that bloke seems to be a homophobic ass, perhaps it’s not a punishment at all. I find it odd how Up in arms atheists seem to be on this. I can understand half the Christians who disagree with that interpretation, but atheists getting involved makes no sense. Leave the religious nutters to argue amongst themselves whether God loves idolaters, gays and straights equally.

The general fundamentalist Christian belief is that Hell is a place of eternal torment, and Folau is a carbon copy fundie. I don't see any room for argument on that point, but I'll play along if you disagree.

In my experience, atheists (myself included) will fight religion for any reason, and it generally works for the benefit of society as a whole. Atheists protect homosexuals, women, races of all kinds, scientists/science, children, and even Christians and Muslims when we're needed. If someone tries to push their imaginary friend onto people who don't want it, we'll push back.

Leaving believers to battle each other using their imaginary friends isn't going to end well for anyone. That's my 2cents worth. I do it for fun, while others have more pure motives.

 

[Evolved1]

Omg, are you honestly mad?? Please, point out to everyone here clearly, where it says “homosexuals deserve to be indefinitely tortured??”

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Now who’s daft??

You. Are you drinking, buddy?

 

[FrakturedHalo]

You. Are you drinking, buddy?

No I’m quite sober, you are clearly on some pretty strong hallucinogenics if you can see written in that tweet what you are claiming Folau has written.

Or maybe it’s just your subconscious bias tricking your brain into seeing something that’s not there

 

[Evolved1]

There you go with your logical fallacies again, we were talking and you made claim specifically that Folau aired a view that homosexuals should be tortured indefinitely, and now you are changing it to fundamentalist christians now in general? Do you even know what you are saying or are you actually trying to be this tricky and manipulative?

Folau is a fundie Christian. He believes that homosexuals deserve Hell, which is a place of eternal torment.

I'm trying to keep things simple for you. Are you lost?

 

[Evolved1]

No I’m quite sober, you are clearly on some pretty strong hallucinogenics if you can see written in that tweet what you are claiming Folau has written.

Or maybe it’s just your subconscious bias tricking your brain into seeing something that’s not there

Do you think Hell is just a place in Michigan?

Ignorance must be bliss. I'm half in awe of your ignorance, half disturbed. Either way, it's amusing. Lmao