Preview Rnd 6 - Carlton v Hawthorn Sunday April 28th 3.20PM @ UTAS - Team Post #1331

[Blue Chip Pass]

If Charlie was not at training, then he's probably not playing.
One change only: Cunners for Polson.
I think BB almost gave it away in the presser.
Let's give the debate a rest.
Who do we think will have their break out game? Surely McGov is due for a big game.

 

[Macca43]

My theory is if I was picking a side Round One with everyone fit and ready Cuningham would be picked in my side. No doubt

However, there are so many variables and unknowns I don't understand the theory of thinking a player is a "must" selection or he will instantly make us better especially for one so young and inexperienced. Not how it works IMO

As I said look at the alternatives. What has Polson showed that makes him worth taking over Cuningham? What is the risk reward?

The risk is that Cuningham would be underdone - which seems minimal given he has hardly missed a skills or fitness session and has been in full training for 2 weeks but most of all Russells track record.

The reward is that we get a player who is significantly better than Polson in every facet. The gap between them is vast.

On that basis Cuningham's selection seems a "must" to me.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

If Charlie was not at training, then he's probably not playing.
One change only: Cunners for Polson.
I think BB almost gave it away in the presser.
Let's give the debate a rest.
Who do we think will have their break out game? Surely McGov is due for a big game.

Think Govs big game will come a bit later in the season, when he's a little fitter. Copped a few knocks over the last couple rounds and an interrupted preseason.

I'll go SPS to back up last week

 

[PrinceCharles]

ST this view is so far off the mark, especially footy IQ. It seems to be based on hope, rather than fact

Polson having a career in the AFL is based on hope rather than fact.

 

[Arr0w]

Even your bud Soap has proclaimed how deep a thinker, and how much footy IQ Cuningham has. I worry if you think Polson has more potential, more talent or more whatever than Cuningham. It's simply not true.

You do realise there is a full year difference in the 2 players?

Dave is not a natural reader of the pill, but he is improving

When he shows that he can stay involved for a whole game, then he has arrived

 

[Mr_Plow]

Gone from watching the NFL draft to going to see Endgame. It's going ******* brilliantly lol

Endgame was elite. Need to watch it again soon.

I've got until early July to finish data collection, do stats and write up the monograph. All the while sorting through CV, references and application/interviews for next year.

Fun times lol.

 

[Macca43]

Not here to change anyone's mind.

What needs to start happening though, is the revolving door of ins and outs needs to stop to build a cohesion, no matter who is in the side

So we play an inferior side just for the sake of cohesion, no thanks.

And with Williamson, Kennedy, MacReadie and even the likes of Lang out of the side I expect there will be plenty of changes to come.

 

[Blue and Blue]

Maybe. One day. People will accept that the coaches and match committee know what they are doing and know much more about it than anyone here.
Ok ....fat chance...yeah.

 

[Arr0w]

Polson having a career in the AFL is based on hope rather than fact.

Happy to assess it as time progresses

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Endgame was elite. Need to watch it again soon.

I've got until early July to finish data collection, do stats and write up the monograph. All the while sorting through CV, references and application/interviews for next year.

Fun times lol.

It's crazy busy, isn't it. Always happy to discuss stats btw. My thesis is statistical analysis of some interesting physics. So have a bit of a background

 

[Arr0w]

There are many reasons why that cannot be the case.

Players coming back from injury.
Players form demanding selection over those whose form has dropped.
Structural needs. This is the hard one, as a player that has played well the week before shouldn't be an automatic inclusion if the situation doesn't warrant.
Easing out the old with the new. Tough one, but it happens all the time.

That's just for starters and you'd know that, because it's obvious.
Can't just select one team and sit on it regardless of form or match-ups. That's obvious too.

I don't care how many players move in or out, as long as we're winning. That's the most obvious thing though.

Form is the major indicator, even when assessing match ups and structure

 

[Arr0w]

So we play an inferior side just for the sake of cohesion, no thanks.

And with Williamson, Kennedy, MacReadie and even the likes of Lang out of the side I expect there will be plenty of changes to come.

Inferior? We should hand those 4 points back from last week

 

[Mr_Plow]

Maybe. One day. People will accept that the coaches and match committee know what they are doing and know much more about it than anyone here.
Ok ....fat chance...yeah.

Neverrrrrrrrrrrr.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

You do realise there is a full year difference in the 2 players?

Dave is not a natural reader of the pill, but he is improving

When he shows that he can stay involved for a whole game, then he has arrived

2 years difference? Drafted 1 year apart. It has no relevance to what I said anyway. Future projection on both players is comfortably in David's favour, as is past performance. When Polson shows he can be involved for more than 30% of the game, whilst reducing his almost 40% game time on the bench he should be considered for selection. Let alone made it.

 

[Soapy V]

As I said look at the alternatives. What has Polson showed that makes him worth taking over Cuningham? What is the risk reward?

The risk is that Cuningham would be underdone - which seems minimal given he has hardly missed a skills or fitness session and has been in full training for 2 weeks but most of all Russells track record.

The reward is that we get a player who is significantly better than Polson in every facet. The gap between them is vast.

On that basis Cuningham's selection seems a "must" to me.

It's not an easy decision. As I have said there are many variables.

Polson played a role in a win. He was ONE game back from missing out the week before.
He is young and talented just like Cuningham. At the moment Cuningham is ahead but both have played less than 20 games.
Cuningham has had 4 games out with a bad injury
He may need a run in the 2's to get confidence and touch
Says a lot if a side can say you need to come back through the 2's when you miss so much

I have never said that I don't think he should play or I don't want him to BUT his selection certainly isn't back or white. We aren't talking about an established gun, YET

FWIW my feel is Cuningham will replace Polson

 

[ForYouBlue]

More civil in here than usual, everyone feeling alright ?

Definitely interesting conversation and looking like we'll have even more of the same in the future.

Got an unpopular opinion and tough question to put forward.

1. I think cas stays in over Charlie ATM, based on a combination or exposed form and maybe more importantly team balance due to their roles.

2. Does simmo get pushed out soon with returning players ? If so, do we fit him in the squad or is he pushed to the 2's ? Playing better than Newman ATM but may not last and I'd have daisy a fair way ahead.

 

[Soapy V]

Polson having a career in the AFL is based on hope rather than fact.

In fairness so is Cuningham. Neither are established yet

Polson has a contract until 2020
Cuningham 2019

Someone must rate Polson

 

[cfc4life]

It's not an easy decision. As I have said there are many variables.

Polson played a role in a win. He was ONE game back from missing out the week before.
He is young and talented just like Cuningham. At the moment Cuningham is ahead but both have played less than 20 games.
Cuningham has had 4 games out with a bad injury
He may need a run in the 2's to get confidence and touch
Says a lot if a side can say you need to come back through the 2's when you miss so much

I have never said that I don't think he should play or I don't want him to BUT his selection certainly isn't back or white. We aren't talking about an established gun, YET

FWIW my feel is Cuningham will replace Polson

Once again I ask, what role did he play?

 

[Macca43]

Inferior? We should hand those 4 points back from last week

Was last week our best side? You can win without playing your best side you know.

And you are strawmanning, your point was we should stop changing the side regardless of who is playing which is clearly putting consistency over quality.

 

[Soapy V]

So we play an inferior side just for the sake of cohesion, no thanks.

And with Williamson, Kennedy, MacReadie and even the likes of Lang out of the side I expect there will be plenty of changes to come.

You see inferior "team". I don't. Not saying Cuningham will make it worse either.

If the names you suggested push others out by shear weight of form, then great. No one would complain

 

[Mr_Plow]

More civil in here than usual, everyone feeling alright ?

Definitely interesting conversation and looking like we'll have even more of the same in the future.

Got an unpopular opinion and tough question to put forward.

1. I think cas stays in over Charlie ATM, based on a combination or exposed form and maybe more importantly team balance due to their roles.

2. Does simmo get pushed out soon with returning players ? If so, do we fit him in the squad or is he pushed to the 2's ? Playing better than Newman ATM but may not last and I'd have daisy a fair way ahead.

Tough questions, particularly when Williamson and to a lesser extent Macreadie have readied themselves for AFL.

My preference is to switch Daisy forward and have Williamson off a HBF in 2019. He won't have the engine to play wing yet.

Macreadie becomes a genuine consideration in 2020. But I'm not ruling out him featuring this season, particularly if we cop injuries.

Don't see Charlie playing this week, anyways. But he is a must have when he returns, for obvious reasons.

 

[Robertio]

Polson having a career in the AFL is based on hope rather than fact.

Of course it's hope, the fact is he's only played about 15 games. Give the kid a go whether Cuningham is a better player or not.

 

[Arr0w]

2 years difference? Drafted 1 year apart. It has no relevance to what I said anyway. Future projection on both players is comfortably in David's favour, as is past performance. When Polson shows he can be involved for more than 30% of the game, whilst reducing his almost 40% game time on the bench he should be considered for selection. Let alone made it.

I did say one year ST

Given you have coached, you know how much you can influence a game outside of disposals

Let's hope Dave doesn't fail, or that revolving door will slap him in the ass around here

 

[Curnivore]

More civil in here than usual, everyone feeling alright ?

Definitely interesting conversation and looking like we'll have even more of the same in the future.

Got an unpopular opinion and tough question to put forward.

1. I think cas stays in over Charlie ATM, based on a combination or exposed form and maybe more importantly team balance due to their roles.

2. Does simmo get pushed out soon with returning players ? If so, do we fit him in the squad or is he pushed to the 2's ? Playing better than Newman ATM but may not last and I'd have daisy a fair way ahead.

1. I think Cas deserves to stay in, but we played both against GC, if Charlies ok we will fit them in.

2. Only one pushing Simmo out is Doc I think, backline is doing fine, can't see any big changes happening

 

[Arr0w]

Was last week our best side? You can win without playing your best side you know.

And you are strawmanning, your point was we should stop changing the side regardless of who is playing which is clearly putting consistency over quality.

So many contradictions here Macca