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doggies ftw said:
I always liked Young and we definitely mismanaged him and he had every right to * off, but let’s not pretend he’d be going well in our system right now
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i liked him also and agree about him being mismanaged....but how do we know he woundnt be goin well in our team atm...would he be going worse then the player this is about?
 
As key position depth in the twos that at most gets 5 or so games a season if there’s injuries, Gardner is fine and can be a role player in that depth regard.

Can’t be a best 22/KPD lock though, simply not good enough.

We need to recruit an upgrade on him and also draft a developing key back, who goes past him in a few years.
 

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Relic Dog said:
i liked him also and agree about him being mismanaged....but how do we know he woundnt be goin well in our team atm...would he be going worse then the player this is about?
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He may well be but honestly we could have May & Moore back there and we’d still struggle right now
 
Relic Dog said:
i liked him also and agree about him being mismanaged....but how do we know he woundnt be goin well in our team atm...would he be going worse then the player this is about?
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He wouldn't be doing well in our team as the penny has not yet dropped (may never drop) to the coaching staff to play, develop and teach players to play their one position. Until that changes we are harming the player and the team IMO.
 
For all of the grass is greener pinning for [PLAYERCARD]Lewis Young[/PLAYERCARD] that goes on in here.

This grab from a recent article highlighting Lewis' apparent rise shows that clubs are not always or solely to blame for a players inability to cement a position in the side. Sometimes players just need to mature enough to get their head off their arse and understand what is required of them to make it in a sport as competitive as AFL with its finite list sizes. CHB is not where you want to hide your introverts. Gardner for his many, many faults at least showed a competitive edge to his game. This is not something that could really be said of Young during his time with us.

Given his type is an obvious need. It would've been handy if Lewis had come to this realisation and "the penny dropped" for him just a little bit earlier.

As Boris Johnson said today. "Them's the breaks."

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Norm De Guerre said:
For all of the grass is greener pinning for Lewis Young that goes on in here.

This grab from a recent article highlighting Lewis' apparent rise shows that clubs are not always or solely to blame for a players inability to cement a position in the side. Sometimes players just need to mature enough to get their head off their arse and understand what is required of them to make it in a sport as competitive as AFL with its finite list sizes. CHB is not where you want to hide your introverts. Gardner for his many, many faults at least showed a competitive edge to his game. This is not something that could really be said of Young during his time with us.

Given his type is an obvious need. It would've been handy if Lewis had come to this realisation just a little earlier.

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Understand what you saying and agree but in the same article there is this

For Young, the improved patch of form comes after virtually having to re-learn some of the key elements of playing in the backline after the last off-season's trade from the Western Bulldogs.

Initially drafted as an intercepting defender from Sturt in South Australia, Young spent 24 games across five seasons at the Whitten Oval being thrown around in a variety of different posts that culminated in being asked to challenge Sam Draper and Oscar McInerney in September.

He crossed to Carlton – essentially in exchange for Sam Petrevski-Seton after a three-way deal that also involved West Coast – as a means of "rejuvenating his career". The Blues liked his ability to play in the backline, and Young liked the idea of going back to the position where he felt most comfortable.

But there was teething pain. Young hadn't played in the role where he'd made his name for quite some time and was even leapfrogged in the Carlton pecking order throughout the season's early stages by rookie Oscar McDonald.
 
Dog 36 said:
Understand what you saying and agree but in the same article there is this

For Young, the improved patch of form comes after virtually having to re-learn some of the key elements of playing in the backline after the last off-season's trade from the Western Bulldogs.
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Like when they comment on their new found fitness or whatever crutch they need to lean on as way of explaining their move.

Players invariably say much the same when they switch clubs. Its instructive that they say these things after realising that they've just arrived at the last chance saloon.

I think the pull quote that I used is the pertinent point with Lewis Young.
 
Norm De Guerre said:
Like when they comment on their new found fitness or whatever crutch they need to lean on as way of explaining their move.

Players invariably say much the same when they switch clubs. Its instructive that they say these things after realising that they've just arrived at the last chance saloon.

I think the pull quote that I used is the pertinent point with Lewis Young.
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And what you say and what I highlighted all contribute IMO its a case of how much each element contributes to the end result.

Certainly will not dismiss what you say.

Interesting side note Nick Austin I know was very keen to get Young to the Blues.

Anyway it is a Gardner thread.
 
Dog 36 said:
Understand what you saying and agree but in the same article there is this

For Young, the improved patch of form comes after virtually having to re-learn some of the key elements of playing in the backline after the last off-season's trade from the Western Bulldogs.

Initially drafted as an intercepting defender from Sturt in South Australia, Young spent 24 games across five seasons at the Whitten Oval being thrown around in a variety of different posts that culminated in being asked to challenge Sam Draper and Oscar McInerney in September.

He crossed to Carlton – essentially in exchange for Sam Petrevski-Seton after a three-way deal that also involved West Coast – as a means of "rejuvenating his career". The Blues liked his ability to play in the backline, and Young liked the idea of going back to the position where he felt most comfortable.

But there was teething pain. Young hadn't played in the role where he'd made his name for quite some time and was even leapfrogged in the Carlton pecking order throughout the season's early stages by rookie Oscar McDonald.
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I read the article.

In my view. He was thrown into a variety of positions because at the time he just didn't look like making his first choice his own. He was asked to play in the ruck because English desperately needed backup going into the finals and Steph Martin was injured. The only other alternatives were Jordan Sweet or to play the shaky Young at CHB and run the Cordy through the ruck. I doubt the club saw Young as a long term second ruckman. It was a decision taken purely out of desperation not to play Jordan Sweet during a finals run where his lack of versatility would've surely been exposed.

A decision that proved to be correct.

Anyways. Back to the rollercoaster ride that is Ryan Gardner...
 

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Tonight’s game is a good example as to why no matter what stats his supporters throw up, he still doesn’t pass the eye test.

The stats don’t show the missed tackles or his failing to make an impact on a contest that would be standard for most defenders.

For the record, Keath has been just as bad this year. But anyone who says Gardner is now a good player is kidding themselves in my opinion.
 
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Gardner is a liability.
 
huddo#9 said:
Genuine list clogger status. Not his fault he keeps getting picked tho.
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Agree

It’s scraping the bottom of the barrel but you can only look to the list manager and recruiting strategy as to why we continually fail to attract decent KPDs.

Keath has given what he can, no arguments with him but he’s had to carry most of the load on his shoulders and it’s taken a toll
 

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