Injury Blue Healers Medical Room - 2023

[katmanblue]

They need to send Worksafe to Carlton.
It’s a joke

Cottrell Boyd out for months and Young is in a moonboot but no word from club
Add Walsh,
Pittonet and Marchbank doing limited work and whoever else
If it was a commercial workplace they’d be investigated.

Carlton’s post is inaccurate. It’s a refracture for Boyd.
Cottrell is lauded by the club for putting on 5kg then gets a stress fracture.
Pittonet has Pcl surgery post season after returning from pcl surgery.
Don’t even worry about Curnow cuningham and Marchbank
Docherty 2 pre season ACL injuries
Walsh hurt back in round 19 and was a late out in round 22
McGovern hamstring
Martin calf
Silvagni shoulder
Kennedy ankle
Kreuzer foot
Cripps-get him bigger no get him smaller
McKay shoulder.

Dow drafted with explosive speed but can’t kick.
Now, slow can’t kick
O’Brien still no composure
Stocker gawn
Fogarty hasn’t played more than 4 in a row I’d guess
They’re going to …. this up


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Brad only had one surgery on the PCL. That was post season.

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[katmanblue]

Y'all are cray cray.

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[Coops93]

What's considered reportable though and who decides what's newsworthy

Young in a moonboot, rolled ankle, precautionary and likely to join the main group next week. Should this have been communicated?

Cotts, looks like being ready for the start of the season

At this stage, only Walsh, Boyd and Fogarty unlikely for round 1, yet some on this site want heads to roll and are angered they don't know the running status of each player

All of those should've been reported imo, it's not that hard to do.

It's not about needing a running report and not knowing a daily status on every player. I'd direct you to post for a reasonable answer to this as I can't be arsed doing one myself:

It seems a fairly minor expectation to have that clubs report injuries and other major news, and that they do so in good faith and provide reasonably accurate information. It doesn't have to be daily updates (particularly over the Christmas break), but major injuries, and occasional updates on the progress of players with long-term injuries seems a pretty minor 'machination', and it is just good public relations and supporter management if nothing else.

That seems reasonable to me and isn't exactly asking for a whole lot

 

[teddy-hopkins]

What's considered reportable though and who decides what's newsworthy

Young in a moonboot, rolled ankle, precautionary and likely to join the main group next week. Should this have been communicated?

Cotts, looks like being ready for the start of the season

At this stage, only Walsh, Boyd and Fogarty unlikely for round 1, yet some on this site want heads to roll and are angered they don't know the running status of each player

Cotts has to be highly unlikely for R1 but the point is we're seeing a repeating theme - still a long way out from R1 and the players have started to drop due to being over-worked. Cotton wool everyone for R1 FFS.

Geelong are probably an extreme example but they nursed their entire list so carefully through the whole year but especially the preseason. OK they weren't cherry ripe for R1 but it's a marathon not a sprint.

 

[Arr0w]

Cotts has to be highly unlikely for R1 but the point is we're seeing a repeating theme - still a long way out from R1 and the players have started to drop due to being over-worked. Cotton wool everyone for R1 FFS.

Geelong are probably an extreme example but they nursed their entire list so carefully through the whole year but especially the preseason. OK they weren't cherry ripe for R1 but it's a marathon not a sprint.

I don't see a repeating theme, Walsh a buldging disc that is more prevalent in elite athletes, Cotts should be right to go round 1 given he is an endurance beast, Boyd, not uncommon to have flair ups of previous injury

No issue questioning our programs( none of us would actually know what they are), but it seems it's a tad over the top, especially citing 20 years ago

 

[BlueTang]

The company I work for (investments) sends out updates all the time and the read rate is probably 4% or less.
If the club gave more updates on injuries (ones that are serious enough to affect a player for a few weeks at least), I think the read would be quite high. And considering they spend a lot of effort trying to get members to buy in, sponsorships from corporates etc. I think it is a business opportunity lost not communicating these updates more. I don’t read a lot of the fluff pieces about players that they release, but I always read the injury updates. Probably others on here would be in the same boat and hence them being annoyed by the lack of communication

 

[Arr0w]

The company I work for (investments) sends out updates all the time and the read rate is probably 4% or less.
If the club gave more updates on injuries (ones that are serious enough to affect a player for a few weeks at least), I think the read would be quite high. And considering they spend a lot of effort trying to get members to buy in, sponsorships from corporates etc. I think it is a business opportunity lost not communicating these updates more. I don’t read a lot of the fluff pieces about players that they release, but I always read the injury updates. Probably others on here would be in the same boat and hence them being annoyed by the lack of communication

Not sure investment updates ( I can track all of mine to the dollar on a daily basis, sans property) are comparable to a person's injury status

 

[thylacine60]

Not surprisingly the fully sick need to know brigade are making like there have been next to no injury updates when the truth is there has been a truckload.

 

[Moon]

It has been too easy at Carlton for probably decades ... being the Club players go to cruse along each week and receive a pay cheque.
It's why we haven't made finals ... too many players don't like to work hard. Carlton either come out of the blocks in the first and run out of gas in the 4th and get run over, or take it easy in the first, fall 5 Goals behind and come home strong. When has Carlton ever been a 4 quarter team?

Problem now is that they are expected to put in a much greater effort and their bodies can't handle it. As with other top teams ... they need to work hard at 100% for a number of years so that their bodies and minds can go hard for 4 quarters each week with consistency... not just occasionally

Carlton just aren't used to putting in 100% effort. That's why I believe they are injury prone. Their bodies and minds need toughening up

 

[BlueTongue]

I don't see a repeating theme, Walsh a buldging disc that is more prevalent in elite athletes, Cotts should be right to go round 1 given he is an endurance beast, Boyd, not uncommon to have flair ups of previous injury

No issue questioning our programs( none of us would actually know what they are), but it seems it's a tad over the top, especially citing 20 years ago

My issue with the way we treat (and report) injuries is that because we have been down for so long, we rush players back underdone, or barely healed, and the spin kings play down every injury.

I think people would rather hear the truth, especially if its a minor injury (if it's minor, why hide it?) , rather than supporters find out via the Grapevine and then howl down the club over & over.

We really need to take a leaf out of Geelong's book. No matter how minor, they rarely risk a player and as a result, the upside is that they rotate their players regularly and create depth. Their older players were so well managed last year it's no surprise they won the flag.

 

[thylacine60]

could be

 

[TENACIOUS]

Off season discussion

No doubt the club could do better with injury updates...
Never understood the secrecy around hiding injuries, opposition clubs aren't stupid...

But, to think we are self entitled, because we buy a membership is quite silly...

 

[KohPhi]

I want to know...

How we rehabilitated Harry's back issue, where he then went on to win a Coleman

Charlie, coming back after 2 odd years out and winning a coleman

Cripps, 2 years of injuries, coming back and winning a Brownlow/BNF

Young, playing stuff all footy then having an amazing first year at the club

Saad, never winning AA honours at 2 other clubs, but winning 1 with us

Kennedy having serious injury concerns at GWS and initially with us, then a career best year in 2022

Fisher having injury concerns each year, then playing all games in 2022

Doc, 2 ACLS, 2 cancer stints and playing every game in 2022

Cotts having his best season in 2022

I want answers and I want them now

Your logic is not wanted around these parts..



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[BlueTang]

Not sure investment updates ( I can track all of mine to the dollar on a daily basis, sans property) are comparable to a person's injury status

These are billion dollar unlisted property trusts with thousands of unit holders, priced daily yes. But that doesn’t tell the story of the underlying assets, which a quarterly report provides

 

[Arr0w]

My issue with the way we treat (and report) injuries is that because we have been down for so long, we rush players back underdone, or barely healed, and the spin kings play down every injury.

I think people would rather hear the truth, especially if its a minor injury (if it's minor, why hide it?) , rather than supporters find out via the Grapevine and then howl down the club over & over.

We really need to take a leaf out of Geelong's book. No matter how minor, they rarely risk a player and as a result, the upside is that they rotate their players regularly and create depth. Their older players were so well managed last year it's no surprise they won the flag.

Last couple of years, even 2022, we certainly have played guys underdone, given our situation of being on verge or expecting to play finals. Many clubs have been in a situation

Clubs also don't want to give the opposition a leg up, where players are targeted and realistically not many players would be 100% in season

Many supporters would still vent, player wears a moonboot for a week, AR or club is incompetent, rather than considering that the approach was managed effectively

I don't see the need or want to know the finer details of every single injury and the treatment undertaken, as there is never a single correct formula when it comes to rehabilitation and or a fitness program.

 

[choo]

Brad only had one surgery on the PCL. That was post season.

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[thylacine60]

what's all that unreadable stuff for?

 

[katmanblue]

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My memory doth deceive me.

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[BigBreakfast]

none of this is that clear cut
Russells copping it for walsh not exactly because of walshs injury but a cumulative effect so its pretty emotional responses rather than logical - but that doesnt mean russells in the clear
The communication is horrendous - and makes the fans have to guess based on the evidence in front of them which is either limited or misleading - rarely honest and detailed.
You tell us walsh has a sore back, +3 months is coming back to training then next week spine surgery (3 month miss) you're s**t at your job and deserve the pressure from fans.
Cunningham communications missing in action - easy to assume cunninghams rehab is still not hitting the mark and thats either russels or cunninghams fault...except we just threw him another contract, now thats either a dirt cheap contract or maybe we just suck at injury management
Pittos first knee clash - no issue - bringing him back early and then getting more late surgery - not ideal
curnow - do people buy the slipping on the tiles story?
ed - old and shocking luck, covid x2 in 6 months, plus numerous injuries
dont forget the s+c staff that were cut due to covid - russell has a bigger job now because of the cuts...but by a few reports he loved telling other people how to do their jobs - you'd want to be pretty blood sure of yourself if that's the case - and the evidence isnt looking so great.
then you have the recurring injuries to the standard high salary trade guys - allowing them to be traded with their injury issues and not improving any of them is a big fail for me unless people want to only think of burgoyne or how curnow had a good 2022 and ignore the 2.5 years missed

Does Russell have your email address so he can keep you in the loop? We are fans/members. Everyone should stay in their lane.

 

[BigBreakfast]

club stakeholders don't need to know how the club's run - got it

stakeholders is a stretch for fans/members. Invested parties in these matters maybe. Stakeholders are those on the inner sanctum who are entitled to some privacy to counteract our voyerism.

 

[teddy-hopkins]

I don't see a repeating theme, Walsh a buldging disc that is more prevalent in elite athletes, Cotts should be right to go round 1 given he is an endurance beast, Boyd, not uncommon to have flair ups of previous injury

No issue questioning our programs( none of us would actually know what they are), but it seems it's a tad over the top, especially citing 20 years ago

I don't really see elite management of our list health. They delayed Walsh surgery until his season would be impacted. Probably on advice from a surgeon but did we seek the right advice from the right people and explore all experts worldwide?

Cotts and Boyd is inarguably poor management. Letting them come back early and do too much too early is crazy. Cotts wins the 3km time trial every year so how much fitter do we need him?

We're still only mid Jan and we're on track to reach round 1 with 6-8 on the injury list again. Haven't even played a practice match yet.

No recurring theme? This meets anyone's definition.

The guys are fit enough. Nurse them to R1 FFS and go from there.

 

[agro]

All is well.

 

[macky99]

I don't really see elite management of our list health. They delayed Walsh surgery until his season would be impacted. Probably on advice from a surgeon but did we seek the right advice from the right people and explore all experts worldwide?

Cotts and Boyd is inarguably poor management. Letting them come back early and do too much too early is crazy. Cotts wins the 3km time trial every year so how much fitter do we need him?

We're still only mid Jan and we're on track to reach round 1 with 6-8 on the injury list again. Haven't even played a practice match yet.

No recurring theme? This meets anyone's definition.

The guys are fit enough. Nurse them to R1 FFS and go from there.

Oh god, all these medical experts on here, seriously the approach with Walsh was to aviod surgery if possible nothing wrong at all with that approach.
The injury did not settle down over a few months as hoped, and l am sure they are consulting with the absolute best medical people on this, he has now had the procedure and signs are positive with him already back in light running two months out from the season.

Not sure how you define Cottrell as mismanagement, no substance to this at all.

Some people on here need to calm down, Richmond have injuries & players recovering like alot of clubs, some major over reaction on here.

 

[Wickzki]

The company I work for (investments) sends out updates all the time and the read rate is probably 4% or less.
If the club gave more updates on injuries (ones that are serious enough to affect a player for a few weeks at least), I think the read would be quite high. And considering they spend a lot of effort trying to get members to buy in, sponsorships from corporates etc. I think it is a business opportunity lost not communicating these updates more. I don’t read a lot of the fluff pieces about players that they release, but I always read the injury updates. Probably others on here would be in the same boat and hence them being annoyed by the lack of communication

On the opposite side of the fence here.

People react as though the sky is falling whenever an injury report is released. This can't be good for business as it's essentially anti-marketing (instead of building hype you're doing the opposite).

I'd be happy with a regular 4 weeks during the offseason (end of season surgery report and an update essentially), 2 weeks during the preseason proper and weekly during the season. I think that's enough unless there's a medical emergency situation that the media will undoubtedly release if you don't then I'd do so first to control that narrative

 

[Wickzki]

I don't really see elite management of our list health. They delayed Walsh surgery until his season would be impacted. Probably on advice from a surgeon but did we seek the right advice from the right people and explore all experts worldwide?
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This is unfair to the club.

Spinal surgery is always the last resort.

My primary disability is a 1-in-a-million rarity. The largest NPO in the world specifically relating to my spinal issue is located in the UK. One of the lead specialists (there's 4 of them) is also the leading surgeon for one of the leading EPL teams. I've gotten close to them, 'own' the disabilty's subreddit and am a moderator on the NPO's Facebook group.

I've had the EPL doctor go through my notes and records to consider what the medical system can do differently, to see if there's anything in there to learn from and to prevent progressing.

One of the questions that I've always wanted to know the answer to was should/would I have had surgery before my major breakdown (I was turned away 2 weeks prior, I had stenosis years earlier and pursued surgery but was declined, etc.).

The answer given was (aside from the final delay when my body was in distress a couple of days prior) was that everything was done by the book. Not just where I am but where he is too and he feels globally.

We have a world class medical system.

My point is this: spinal specialists will explore all avenues before agreeing to perform surgery and it doesn't matter where that is. The risks of surgery are that substantial enough to warrant that outcome.

Something (other than time) triggered that surgery for Walshy.

We don't need to know what that was. The outcome and outlook from all publicly available information is as positive as we could have hoped for.