Strategy What to do with pick 1 now we’ve got it - Do We Need Reid or is it Curtins

[Dylan82]

I've had enough of all of these kents already.

Nothing would satisfy me more right now than drafting H.Reid and watch him kick a bag against the tin-rattlers.


And anyone else wanting to entertain splitting the pick in this massively compromised draft needs to give themselves an uppercut as well.

 

[Cuzz09]

I reckon they read this and will 100% move North v GC to Sunday 1240pm in Tassie

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[Coasters7]

There’s a line somewhere between prioritising youth to develop those players for the future that is predicated on short term pain for long term gain and deliberately losing to get a better draft pick

Defining where that line is becomes the hard part and will vary depending on who you ask

I think Hawthorn have found the right balance despite me believing they were going the tank last off season - I was wrong about that

FWIW, I don’t think we’re tanking and are a victim predominantly of our injury list. As it stands after going through this year (and last), getting pick 1 is the main silver lining that’s achievable.

Do I want us to try to win? Definitely

Will I celebrate if we do win? Yes

Will I be disappointed if we lose? No, and especially not if we are competitive

Do I want us to lose? Heart says no, head says yes and this is where I’m conflicted. Others are better at leaning in to a loss than I am

Provided we’re having a crack I’m happy but aren’t going to be throwing the toys out of the cot with either result

Really would like North to win a game somehow to remove some anxiety

I think the difference for me this year is that we’ve been through some of the worst results of all time so another 3 losses is just water under the bridge at this point. I’m a long way past feeling any sort of emotion about a loss given the season was over months ago.

No one wants to lose but we’re so far gone at this point of the season that winning another game from here with the 30 year olds out there is severely counterproductive.

If we get a win with Hewett having 40 and 3, and Long kicking a bag then it’s more palatable, but realistically we’re still being carried by the same blokes that will no doubt get cut down with injury for most of next season again.

The smart thing to do from here would be to play the kids and send all the sore blokes home for the year. That’s where the line for me is between good management and tanking. It’s both productive for next year and productive for the draft.

The players wouldn’t be going out there to lose intentionally but against finals bound sides we wouldn’t really stand a chance.

 

[SumaGodCoach]

There is tanking and then there is smart list management. Oscar Allens shoulder has popped out multiple times this year and if he does his shoulder he will miss most of next year. So wrap him in cotton wool for the remainder of the season to make sure he is 100% for pre-season. There will be a few players who will be teetering on the edge of a cliff looking down into the delist pile. Give them a mini audition to see if it is worthwhile keeping any of them around.

 

[ThePuma #9]

There is tanking and then there is smart list management. Oscar Allens shoulder has popped out multiple times this year and if he does his shoulder he will miss most of next year. So wrap him in cotton wool for the remainder of the season to make sure he is 100% for pre-season. There will be a few players who will be teetering on the edge of a cliff looking down into the delist pile. Give them a mini audition to see if it is worthwhile keeping any of them around.

I don't think the AFL or anyone else could accuse us of tanking if we did this, especially considering our performances over the past fortnight.

 

[Alesana]

There’s a line somewhere between prioritising youth to develop those players for the future that is predicated on short term pain for long term gain and deliberately losing to get a better draft pick

Defining where that line is becomes the hard part and will vary depending on who you ask

I think Hawthorn have found the right balance despite me believing they were going the tank last off season - I was wrong about that

FWIW, I don’t think we’re tanking and are a victim predominantly of our injury list. As it stands after going through this year (and last), getting pick 1 is the main silver lining that’s achievable.

Do I want us to try to win? Definitely

Will I celebrate if we do win? Yes

Will I be disappointed if we lose? No, and especially not if we are competitive

Do I want us to lose? Heart says no, head says yes and this is where I’m conflicted. Others are better at leaning in to a loss than I am

Provided we’re having a crack I’m happy but aren’t going to be throwing the toys out of the cot with either result

Really would like North to win a game somehow to remove some anxiety

I look at it like this: would I rather a more successful month to end 2023, or a more successful decade down the track? Obviously nothing is for certain but that makes it pretty black and white for me (would probably be different if it was a more even draft).

 

[UseR2006]

It depends for me how we get the win.
If it's because our kids played out of their skins and we saw the future start to manifest then 100% a welcome win.
If it's because our old mob decided to pull their fingers out of their ass and put in some effort to save their own skins then i'd rather take the loss.

 

[ziad]

I think the difference for me this year is that we’ve been through some of the worst results of all time so another 3 losses is just water under the bridge at this point. I’m a long way past feeling any sort of emotion about a loss given the season was over months ago.

No one wants to lose but we’re so far gone at this point of the season that winning another game from here with the 30 year olds out there is severely counterproductive.

If we get a win with Hewett having 40 and 3, and Long kicking a bag then it’s more palatable, but realistically we’re still being carried by the same blokes that will no doubt get cut down with injury for most of next season again.

The smart thing to do from here would be to play the kids and send all the sore blokes home for the year. That’s where the line for me is between good management and tanking. It’s both productive for next year and productive for the draft.

The players wouldn’t be going out there to lose intentionally but against finals bound sides we wouldn’t really stand a chance.

No way the team is tanking - the spirit is high and very supportive.

 

[ziad]

It depends for me how we get the win.
If it's because our kids played out of their skins and we saw the future start to manifest then 100% a welcome win.
If it's because our old mob decided to pull their fingers out of their ass and put in some effort to save their own skins then i'd rather take the loss.

Kids are developing well but it is the maligned old mob that is making us competative.

 

[CountryLad]

Only comment I’ve got on tanking and whether it’s a good thing for the Eagles supporters to be happy with an honourable loss or be devastated about that loss is that if Walter was available I don’t think anyone would be the slightest bit worried whether we finished last or 2nd last.
For parts of the Media to focus on on the Eagles predicament rather than the overall compromised nature of the first round is very narrow minded. I don’t think that’s unexpected however.

 

[kranky al]

There is tanking and then there is smart list management. Oscar Allens shoulder has popped out multiple times this year and if he does his shoulder he will miss most of next year. So wrap him in cotton wool for the remainder of the season to make sure he is 100% for pre-season. There will be a few players who will be teetering on the edge of a cliff looking down into the delist pile. Give them a mini audition to see if it is worthwhile keeping any of them around.

That’s where it’s at!!

 

[ziad]

Only comment I’ve got on tanking and whether it’s a good thing for the Eagles supporters to be happy with an honourable loss or be devastated about that loss is that if Walter was available I don’t think anyone would be the slightest bit worried whether we finished last or 2nd last.
For parts of the Media to focus on on the Eagles predicament rather than the overall compromised nature of the first round is very narrow minded. I don’t think that’s unexpected however.

re the media some seem transfixed with:

 

[SumaGodCoach]

R24 FIXTURE: Final-day thrillers loom, Dons-Pies in primetime

The make-up of the top eight and top four could well be determined on the final day of the home and away season

www.afl.com.au

 

[UseR2006]

R24 FIXTURE: Final-day thrillers loom, Dons-Pies in primetime

The make-up of the top eight and top four could well be determined on the final day of the home and away season

www.afl.com.au

North play first then us in the evening, works out well.

 

[ZergMinion]

Just noticed North play first every round for the rest of the season.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

North play first then us in the evening, works out well.

The Gold Coast Suns get an early start at Hobart - Norf a chance given Suns likely to be out of contention by then.

Hoping for atrocious conditions that will make the Suns guys go back into their shells

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

I reckon if you were the person at WC ultimately in charge of trading picks/drafting decisions (i assume that is ROB), if we did miss out on the Number 1 pick then a part of you would breathe a sigh of relief. There is almost no scenario with this pick where the person making the call comes out smelling like roses.

If you take Reid and he stays in Perth but only becomes half the player he is expected to become everybody says "Why did you waste the Number 1 pick on a spud?"

If you take Reid and he goes home in two or three years time everybody says "Why did you draft him? It was always obvious he would go home."

If you take Reid and he stays in Perth and becomes a gun then everybody says they always knew that would happen and you don't really deserve any credit for making an obvious decision of what to do with the pick when anybody in your position would have made the same call.

If you don't take him and he stays in Melbourne and becomes a gun and a household name everybody says for the next 10 years "Why didn't you draft him?".

If you don't take him and he stays in Melbourne and becomes a spud then by the time everybody realises he is nowhere near as good as expected then people just stop talking about him, gradually forget about him and nobody remembers you dodged the bullet by making a good decision the majority of people disagreed with at the time.

What to do with that Number 1 pick (if we get it) is a decision that nobody would really want the responsibility of making.

 

[ThePuma #9]

I reckon if you were the person at WC ultimately in charge of trading picks/drafting decisions (i assume that is ROB), if we did miss out on the Number 1 pick then a part of you would breathe a sigh of relief. There is almost no scenario with this pick where the person making the call comes out smelling like roses.

If you take Reid and he stays in Perth but only becomes half the player he is expected to become everybody says "Why did you waste the Number 1 pick on a spud?"

If you take Reid and he goes home in two or three years time everybody says "Why did you draft him? It was always obvious he would go home."

If you take Reid and he stays in Perth and becomes a gun then everybody says they always knew that would happen and you don't really deserve any credit for making an obvious decision of what to do with the pick when anybody in your position would have made the same call.

If you don't take him and he stays in Melbourne and becomes a gun and a household name everybody says for the next 10 years "Why didn't you draft him?".

If you don't take him and he stays in Melbourne and becomes a spud then by the time everybody realises he is nowhere near as good as expected then people just stop talking about him, gradually forget about him and nobody remembers you dodged the bullet by making a good decision the majority of people disagreed with at the time.

What to do with that Number 1 pick (if we get it) is a decision that nobody would really want the responsibility of making.

If my job is improving the team the only validation i care about is seeing the team succeed.

If our recruiters think as you have described above then we have bigger problems than whether to take Reid with pick 1.

 

[Keys]

R24 FIXTURE: Final-day thrillers loom, Dons-Pies in primetime

The make-up of the top eight and top four could well be determined on the final day of the home and away season

www.afl.com.au

Won’t lie, that’s a pretty well constructed final round fixture

Open with a big game. Get two of three dud matchups out of the way simultaneously at the first opportunity and bury the third when eyes are on another big game at the same time

Then three games that’ll shape finals b2b2b on Sunday

Good weekend for a neutral

 

[SumaGodCoach]

I reckon if you were the person at WC ultimately in charge of trading picks/drafting decisions (i assume that is ROB), if we did miss out on the Number 1 pick then a part of you would breathe a sigh of relief. There is almost no scenario with this pick where the person making the call comes out smelling like roses.

If you take Reid and he stays in Perth but only becomes half the player he is expected to become everybody says "Why did you waste the Number 1 pick on a spud?"

If you take Reid and he goes home in two or three years time everybody says "Why did you draft him? It was always obvious he would go home."

If you take Reid and he stays in Perth and becomes a gun then everybody says they always knew that would happen and you don't really deserve any credit for making an obvious decision of what to do with the pick when anybody in your position would have made the same call.

If you don't take him and he stays in Melbourne and becomes a gun and a household name everybody says for the next 10 years "Why didn't you draft him?".

If you don't take him and he stays in Melbourne and becomes a spud then by the time everybody realises he is nowhere near as good as expected then people just stop talking about him, gradually forget about him and nobody remembers you dodged the bullet by making a good decision the majority of people disagreed with at the time.

What to do with that Number 1 pick (if we get it) is a decision that nobody would really want the responsibility of making.

What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

I reckon if you were the person at WC ultimately in charge of trading picks/drafting decisions (i assume that is ROB), if we did miss out on the Number 1 pick then a part of you would breathe a sigh of relief. There is almost no scenario with this pick where the person making the call comes out smelling like roses.

If you take Reid and he stays in Perth but only becomes half the player he is expected to become everybody says "Why did you waste the Number 1 pick on a spud?"

If you take Reid and he goes home in two or three years time everybody says "Why did you draft him? It was always obvious he would go home."

If you take Reid and he stays in Perth and becomes a gun then everybody says they always knew that would happen and you don't really deserve any credit for making an obvious decision of what to do with the pick when anybody in your position would have made the same call.

If you don't take him and he stays in Melbourne and becomes a gun and a household name everybody says for the next 10 years "Why didn't you draft him?".

If you don't take him and he stays in Melbourne and becomes a spud then by the time everybody realises he is nowhere near as good as expected then people just stop talking about him, gradually forget about him and nobody remembers you dodged the bullet by making a good decision the majority of people disagreed with at the time.

What to do with that Number 1 pick (if we get it) is a decision that nobody would really want the responsibility of making.

I would be very happy with that as my main challenge in my job. My motto is to never be scared in making tough decisions. Insecurity and inability to commit to a decision is a sign of weakness. Mistakes are usually made when in that mind space.

 

[boondy]

There’s a line somewhere between prioritising youth to develop those players for the future that is predicated on short term pain for long term gain and deliberately losing to get a better draft pick

Defining where that line is becomes the hard part and will vary depending on who you ask

I think Hawthorn have found the right balance despite me believing they were going the tank last off season - I was wrong about that

FWIW, I don’t think we’re tanking and are a victim predominantly of our injury list. As it stands after going through this year (and last), getting pick 1 is the main silver lining that’s achievable.

Do I want us to try to win? Definitely

Will I celebrate if we do win? Yes

Will I be disappointed if we lose? No, and especially not if we are competitive

Do I want us to lose? Heart says no, head says yes and this is where I’m conflicted. Others are better at leaning in to a loss than I am

Provided we’re having a crack I’m happy but aren’t going to be throwing the toys out of the cot with either result

Really would like North to win a game somehow to remove some anxiety

Word for word exactly how I feel

 

[Eaglemaniac]

We need to see the “losing games to get pick 1” as a tactical retreat, where we pull back from the enemy in order to lure them into a compromised position, only for us to hit them from all sides in a flanking manoeuvre.

We can do it in a way that isn’t instructing players to lose and the team will be better off for years with a much better midfield.

 

[bh90210fan]

I reckon if you were the person at WC ultimately in charge of trading picks/drafting decisions (i assume that is ROB), if we did miss out on the Number 1 pick then a part of you would breathe a sigh of relief. There is almost no scenario with this pick where the person making the call comes out smelling like roses.

If you take Reid and he stays in Perth but only becomes half the player he is expected to become everybody says "Why did you waste the Number 1 pick on a spud?"

If you take Reid and he goes home in two or three years time everybody says "Why did you draft him? It was always obvious he would go home."

If you take Reid and he stays in Perth and becomes a gun then everybody says they always knew that would happen and you don't really deserve any credit for making an obvious decision of what to do with the pick when anybody in your position would have made the same call.

If you don't take him and he stays in Melbourne and becomes a gun and a household name everybody says for the next 10 years "Why didn't you draft him?".

If you don't take him and he stays in Melbourne and becomes a spud then by the time everybody realises he is nowhere near as good as expected then people just stop talking about him, gradually forget about him and nobody remembers you dodged the bullet by making a good decision the majority of people disagreed with at the time.

What to do with that Number 1 pick (if we get it) is a decision that nobody would really want the responsibility of making.

If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis

 

[dkalphy]

This club is a joke...why tf are we challenging Williams bump? Fricken tank you idiots, we don't want to win this derby nor Bungers final game...achieves us nothing and in fact will set this club back years....

When Norf take generational talent and then WA's best prospect at pick 1 and 2, don't mop, you guys wanted this and i hope you will be happy by winning a meaningless game and costing this club.

 

[dkalphy]

Freo beat Geelong at home last week. We're not going to beat them.

you still think that? no one thought we'd lose to the dons by a point...