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[Timmy from Thomastown]

My understanding is that there are two drug programs - one for recreational drugs and one for performance.

However some recreational drugs are considered performance enhancing drugs when tested on match day, but not during the week.

I must admit, I cant understand how a person is going to clear their system of cocaine taken on friday night before midnight when they are playing saturday night. Drink a lot of water?

For somebody who doesn’t know a lot you sort of nailed it. Not sure if drinking water helps but getting tested privately then taking the doctors recommendation to fake an injury seems to…

Assume if they are taking it on a Friday night though they have already faked an injury in advance! Nobody would be that stupid. Except maybe Clayton Oliver

 

[Chameleon75]

For somebody who doesn’t know a lot you sort of nailed it. Not sure if drinking water helps but getting tested privately then taking the doctors recommendation to fake an injury seems to…

Assume if they are taking it on a Friday night though they have already faked an injury in advance! Nobody would be that stupid. Except maybe Clayton Oliver

 

[Markfs]

For somebody who doesn’t know a lot you sort of nailed it. Not sure if drinking water helps but getting tested privately then taking the doctors recommendation to fake an injury seems to…

Assume if they are taking it on a Friday night though they have already faked an injury in advance! Nobody would be that stupid. Except maybe Clayton Oliver

Yeh I can see that strategy as being a good one. Well i've never taken drugs and I wouldnt know about how long they stay in the system. It seems a bit sad to me that footballers have to take drugs anyway to have fun. I can understand people with issues taking drugs to escape them but geez, the issues will be there in the morning. Doesnt anyone realise that? Anyway, that's people's personal thing.

I had a laugh when that MP said that AFL drug use might be affecting AFL punters' gambling.....lol.

 

[Markfs]

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I liked where dad said that the AFL was responsible for his son's drug use...absolve yourself shaun.. and if he knew about it, he'd get the kid play baseball....lol....obviously shaun landed on his head too many times.

 

[sr36]

Yeh I can see that strategy as being a good one. Well i've never taken drugs and I wouldnt know about how long they stay in the system. It seems a bit sad to me that footballers have to take drugs anyway to have fun. I can understand people with issues taking drugs to escape them but geez, the issues will be there in the morning. Doesnt anyone realise that? Anyway, that's people's personal thing.

I had a laugh when that MP said that AFL drug use might be affecting AFL punters' gambling.....lol.

The real disgrace of footballers talking drugs is that their demand pushes up the price of cocaine for those who need it to escape the drudgery of 9-5.

 

[Markfs]

The real disgrace of footballers talking drugs is that their demand pushes up the price of cocaine for those who need it to escape the drudgery of 9-5.

well that sounds logical....although the whole idea of taking drugs to escape or enhance seems a little short-sighted to me ...

it seems to me that a lot of people do a lot of stupid things because other people are doing those stupid things.

 

[sr36]

well that sounds logical....although the whole idea of taking drugs to escape or enhance seems a little short-sighted to me ...

it seems to me that a lot of people do a lot of stupid things because other people are doing those stupid things.

And some say the same about drinking alcohol or eating meat and others say it about not consuming those pleasures.

 

[Markfs]

And some say the same about drinking alcohol or eating meat and others say it about not consuming those pleasures.

well that is true....and i used to drink a lot more alcohol when i was younger to fit in. But actually a red wine is good for your health. I dont know if a little drugs is good for a healthy body.

As for meat eating, we've done it for millenia although on a less regular basis, so there is some point to that argument.

However, if drugs is a pleasure for you SR then go ahead but dont ask me for sympathy or funding at some time in the future.

 

[sr36]

well that is true....and i used to drink a lot more alcohol when i was younger to fit in. But actually a red wine is good for your health. I dont know if a little drugs is good for a healthy body.

As for meat eating, we've done it for millenia although on a less regular basis, so there is some point to that argument.

However, if drugs is a pleasure for you SR then go ahead but dont ask me for sympathy or funding at some time in the future.

I'll ask for it now then. Got a fifty?

Don't partake anymore. But can't really imagine never having given it a go - even if just out of curiosity.

 

[Markfs]

I'll ask for it now then. Got a fifty?

Don't partake anymore. But can't really imagine never having given it a go - even if just out of curiosity.

I havent experience egypt. I do regret it. I've never had a regret about not taking drugs. Someone gave me a puff many years ago. Does that count?

Christians abstain from sex for a certain length of time, although they never seems to end up being successful at it because they're thinking about it all the time. If you think about drugs a lot, I suppose you need to take them.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I liked where dad said that the AFL was responsible for his son's drug use...absolve yourself shaun.. and if he knew about it, he'd get the kid play baseball....lol....obviously shaun landed on his head too many times.

If he didn’t blame the AFL he’d have to blame his sons parents.

 

[sr36]

I havent experience egypt. I do regret it. I've never had a regret about not taking drugs. Someone gave me a puff many years ago. Does that count?

Christians abstain from sex for a certain length of time, although they never seems to end up being successful at it because they're thinking about it all the time. If you think about drugs a lot, I suppose you need to take them.

Clinton set the bar a few years ago - did you inhale? or was that swallow? I'm getting his scandals confused.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I havent experience egypt. I do regret it. I've never had a regret about not taking drugs. Someone gave me a puff many years ago. Does that count?

Christians abstain from sex for a certain length of time, although they never seems to end up being successful at it because they're thinking about it all the time. If you think about drugs a lot, I suppose you need to take them.

I inhaled second hand hooch at a UB40 gig

 

[BillyElliott]

Where's Clarry?

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I'm struggling to see why you think I've got it backwards.

It's not trying to deter drug use outside of match day. Like you said - they're not interested in that. It's trying to stop athletes competing whilst on match day banned recreational drugs. Full stop. It's what both WADA match day testing and this testing is doing - trying to stop athletes competing whilst they've got match day banned drugs in their system. It fits really well with WADA's policy.

You’ve got it backwards because earlier you posted this;

Catching people isn't the purpose - the WADA code and the testing is to try to stop athletes using prohibited drugs.

I can tell you that catching people and punishing them is very much part of WADA’s modus operandi, otherwise they wouldn’t be turning up on doorsteps unannounced, they would only test immediately prior to competition, and they wouldn’t be testing for things like clenbuterol out of season. They do this because they lack the resources to test everyone; so random testing with heavy penalties to act as a deterrent.

At odds with that is the AFL’s position; they don’t want to catch anybody, they don’t want anyone to test positive. So when they hold a player with cocaine in his system out of competition it’s good for the player, it keeps the league from being exposed to negative press, but it subverts WADA’s process.

 

[Markfs]

If he didn’t blame the AFL he’d have to blame his sons parents.

I think it's always best to take a lot around and look for someone to blame. The weight of responsibility can be too much and can lead to drug-taking...

 

[Markfs]

I inhaled second hand hooch at a UB40 gig

i always used that word for a certain type of female....but you may be the same

 

[Markfs]

Clinton set the bar a few years ago - did you inhale? or was that swallow? I'm getting his scandals confused.

"i did not have sex with that woman"....best said with a southern accent

 

[sideswipe]

You’ve got it backwards because earlier you posted this;



I can tell you that catching people and punishing them is very much part of WADA’s modus operandi, otherwise they wouldn’t be turning up on doorsteps unannounced, they would only test immediately prior to competition, and they wouldn’t be testing for things like clenbuterol out of season. They do this because they lack the resources to test everyone; so random testing with heavy penalties to act as a deterrent.

At odds with that is the AFL’s position; they don’t want to catch anybody, they don’t want anyone to test positive. So when they hold a player with cocaine in his system out of competition it’s good for the player, it keeps the league from being exposed to negative press, but it subverts WADA’s process.

SIA can test anyone at anytime. How does missing a game subvert that process? Might even be a prompt for target testing?


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[sr36]

You’ve got it backwards because earlier you posted this;



I can tell you that catching people and punishing them is very much part of WADA’s modus operandi, otherwise they wouldn’t be turning up on doorsteps unannounced, they would only test immediately prior to competition, and they wouldn’t be testing for things like clenbuterol out of season. They do this because they lack the resources to test everyone; so random testing with heavy penalties to act as a deterrent.

At odds with that is the AFL’s position; they don’t want to catch anybody, they don’t want anyone to test positive. So when they hold a player with cocaine in his system out of competition it’s good for the player, it keeps the league from being exposed to negative press, but it subverts WADA’s process.

It's part of their MO, but that's the method they use to meet the purpose of stopping athletes from using PEDs - and in terms of the recreational stimulant PEDs, the purpose is only to stop them having them in the system on match day.

With the match day banned substances, there's two different ways of conforming to WADA's code:

a) not using them at all
b) using them out of competition but making sure they're out of your system in-competition

They both conform to the code. Melbourne's testing helps the players in category b) conform to the code. It's an acknowledgement that a percentage of players will use stimulants for recreational purposes, but reduces the damage done by ensuring they still meet the WADA code.

I'd be surprised if most clubs aren't doing something similar, although some might simply have them sit out wihtout a test - that's what I'd do, as I'd be worried that you could be negative in one test but then have enough of a trace in a later urine sample - but maybe that's more cautious than is medically necessary.

If you're a footy club who thinks none of your 42 players will use drugs at all - you're living in dreamland.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

SIA can test anyone at anytime. How does missing a game subvert that process? Might even be a prompt for target testing?


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Because if they miss the game, the drug in their system is no longer considered performance enhancing.

 

[sideswipe]

Because if they miss the game, the drug in their system is no longer considered performance enhancing.

And they didn’t commit an offence.


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[sr36]

Because if they miss the game, the drug in their system is no longer considered performance enhancing.

I'm a bit confused. Are you talking about party drugs or are you assuming that theyre testing for a Thomas/Keeffe type situation? Accidental prohibited out of competition as well?

It's getting greyer there if they then sit them out to reduce the likelihood of getting tested. Plus the ethics of not reporting them.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

It's part of their MO, but that's the method they use to meet the purpose of stopping athletes from using PEDs - and in terms of the recreational stimulant PEDs, the purpose is only to stop them having them in the system on match day.

With the match day banned substances, there's two different ways of conforming to WADA's code:

a) not using them at all
b) using them out of competition but making sure they're out of your system in-competition

They both conform to the code. Melbourne's testing helps the players in category b) conform to the code. It's an acknowledgement that a percentage of players will use stimulants for recreational purposes, but reduces the damage done by ensuring they still meet the WADA code.

I'd be surprised if most clubs aren't doing something similar, although some might simply have them sit out wihtout a test - that's what I'd do, as I'd be worried that you could be negative in one test but then have enough of a trace in a later urine sample - but maybe that's more cautious than is medically necessary.

If you're a footy club who thinks none of your 42 players will use drugs at all - you're living in dreamland.

It’s a way for players to maintain the same amount of drug use as they were previously, but instead of risking a two-year ban and ruination of their reputation as a fair competitor, they become a certainty to miss that week only and no-one ever hears of it.

It’s actually like the movie Minority Report, however instead of arresting the offender for murder based on the visions of the pre-cogs, John Anderton and the Pre-crime Division just hold them in a cell until after the crime was meant to have been committed.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I'm a bit confused. Are you talking about party drugs or are you assuming that theyre testing for a Thomas/Keeffe type situation? Accidental prohibited out of competition as well?

It's getting greyer there if they then sit them out to reduce the likelihood of getting tested. Plus the ethics of not reporting them.

No. That could certainly enter the equation, but those drugs are banned in and out of competition, and are no more or less likely to be tested for regardless of whether the player plays, to the best of my knowledge.

Also, I don’t think of them as party drugs. There are drugs that are banned on gameday, and drugs that are banned at all times. Anything else is none of my business and frankly shouldn’t be the AFL’s either.