List Mgmt. 2025 Trade/FA Thread

[manicpie]

Never mind, I confused his draft year with when he joined us, so I don't think he qualifies for free agency. He only joined us in 2020, so think he'd be a non-free agent? I think that necessitates a trade, but I can't remember

I just found out he's contracted till the end of 26. I really hope he stays, he'll be so hard to replace

 

[sr36]

To be clear I’m no longer speculating on Rowell and his decision making here this is all general

Firstly what land size are we talking 300sqm? I’m not a land rat, but in Kew that’s what I expect you’re getting for a nice $2m house. That “vanilla” investment then needs to rent for $1500 a week, minimum, in order to return a gross yield of 3.75%. Then you’re tying up $2m of your net worth into that investment in the middle of a short earning career.

This is not financial advice, but if anyone reading this has that sort of money to spend smack bang in the middle of the highest earning period of your life be skeptical of anyone advising you to drop that much on a $2m investment property in Kew. Diversity is pretty big in the financial advice space.

I think you should drop this one. These days a heap of players, like other professionals would have bought an investment property. How much you'd be advised to invest would depend on personal circumstances - and Kew is as safe and as blue chip an investment area as it gets.

 

[gouki88]

I just found out he's contracted till the end of 26. I really hope he stays, he'll be so hard to replace

I would work very hard to keep him. His marking around the ground, specifically in back-half intercepts, is so important for us. His season thus far is comparable to Max Gawn's AA captaincy season:

Darcy Cameron and Max Gawn AFL Stats Comparison

Darcy Cameron and Max Gawn AFL Stats Comparison.

www.footywire.com

 

[soreplums]

Famous brother and freakish ruckman: The early contenders to go No.1

The pecking order for this year’s AFL draft is starting to emerge.

www.theage.com.au

End of first round pick must mean that they have us down as winning the flag

 

[sideswipe]

I do agree with the bolded as being what those people tend to do…

I disagree with the rest especially ploughing $400k in cash into an investment property (suggesting 80% LVR and not 88% is a bit of a giveaway to the smarts of it).

All young footballers regardless of their background receive advice and knowing the type of people giving the advice $2m is not something I believe they would be advocating. We’re probably boring people though so I’ve said my peace.

Piece.

I can tell you every client of Connors will do something like that. It is absolutely vanilla.

Especially if Rowell thinks he will end up in Melbourne post-footy. This is how he gets entry into the property market now and later on that might be what he sells to buy his PPR.

 

[Scodog10]

I think you should drop this one. These days a heap of players, like other professionals would have bought an investment property. How much you'd be advised to invest would depend on personal circumstances - and Kew is as safe and as blue chip an investment area as it gets.

Nah I’m more than comfortable calling out dud financial advice!

I can guarantee players are buying property (I know who has been working with the guys at GWS). The overall investment amount of $2m is also fine, but unless you’re super wealthy and don’t care about yield a blue chip investment on a single property in Melbourne is poor advice.

Edit: for anyone thinking this is good advice I’d just like to stress that there are an abundance of resources out there to help people educate themselves or talk to a financial adviser that can help with a property strategy and has implemented one themselves.

 

[sideswipe]

I think you should drop this one. These days a heap of players, like other professionals would have bought an investment property. How much you'd be advised to invest would depend on personal circumstances - and Kew is as safe and as blue chip an investment area as it gets.

Last time I looked it had the highest percentage of unencumbered properties in Victoria, possibly Australia - which makes it possibly the safest, if that means anything.

 

[Jen2310]

Pies eying nga prospect Zac McCarthy in this years draft per cal twomey
The recruiters need to do the maths for some points.

 

[gouki88]

Does the 'FA' in the thread title stand for financial advice?

 

[sideswipe]

Nah I’m more than comfortable calling out dud financial advice!

I can guarantee players are buying property (I know who has been working with the guys at GWS). The overall investment amount of $2m is also fine, but unless you’re super wealthy and don’t care about yield a blue chip investment on a single property in Melbourne is poor advice.

This is a vanilla strategy for a high earner - especially one living interstate/overseas. As stated above it requires circa $400k of capital and an annual after tax cost of $25-50k.

For young people earning big dollars - medicos, lawyers, investment bankers - this is Investment 101.

 

[sideswipe]

Does the 'FA' in the thread title stand for financial advice?

Flawed advice.

 

[gouki88]

Flawed advice.

Might need to add FA to a few more threads in that case

 

[nickyds35]

As much am I love Darcy Cameron, him and Bobby Hill are two players we can probably get 2 teams to pay through the nose for.

Not that we are in the race, but Cameron (worth atleast a first), Hill (atleast a first) + a future first would probably get us in the Harley Reid conversation, especially considering west coast seem to want ready made players to make them competitive (going by their actions last trade period).

 

[sr36]

Nah I’m more than comfortable calling out dud financial advice!

I can guarantee players are buying property (I know who has been working with the guys at GWS). The overall investment amount of $2m is also fine, but unless you’re super wealthy and don’t care about yield a blue chip investment on a single property in Melbourne is poor advice.

Depends on what he's investing for. Your family home isn't a financial asset if you want to stay in it and if he's investing to buy a family home in Kew or live in that one in the future, it takes out the risk of that suburb appeciating faster than other areas and thus getting priced out.

 

[Vankri]

Would you move Hill or JDG to acquire Rowell? I suspect Hill’s future could be a value proposition because he’ll seek a contract well above the worth of his full season output. Are you paying him on the basis he could do what he did on GF day again? Or on what he provides to get us there? Those two are valued wildly different, IMO.

Yes I would, but it’ll be unpopular I’m sure. Agree with the trickiness of Hill’s next contract. Plus WA boy, plus I think we have good depth in small forwards.

Jordy’s value would depend on whether he can get on the park pre season. 2023 jordy is very underpaid on his salary today but 2024 the opposite.

I just think we’ve done incredibly well to get people like Schultz Houston McStay Hill Cameron in with little capital spent. But at some point to improve the list it’ll be a question of rebalancing it!

 

[jimmy35]

Logical place to live if you’re commuting to training at the AIA Centre though

 

[manicpie]

As much am I love Darcy Cameron, him and Bobby Hill are two players we can probably get 2 teams to pay through the nose for.

Not that we are in the race, but Cameron (worth atleast a first), Hill (atleast a first) + a future first would probably get us in the Harley Reid conversation, especially considering west coast seem to want ready made players to make them competitive (going by their actions last trade period).

The only problem with losing Cameron is the huge hole he'll leave. We would probably have to use that first round pick on another ruckman anyway. Hill is one we could probably lose and that pick could get us a genuine midfielder. Forget Harley, we'll never be in the race for him.

 

[Chunky Steak]

The only problem with losing Cameron is the huge hole he'll leave. We would probably have to use that first round pick on another ruckman anyway. Hill is one we could probably lose and that pick could get us a genuine midfielder. Forget Harley, we'll never be in the race for him.

Thats my issue too. When we moved Grundy on, we had DC as a capable and improving ruck replacement.

Steene and Smit are nowhere near ready to make that step up.

 

[sherrife]

The only problem with losing Cameron is the huge hole he'll leave. We would probably have to use that first round pick on another ruckman anyway. Hill is one we could probably lose and that pick could get us a genuine midfielder. Forget Harley, we'll never be in the race for him.

Adequate (as opposed to star) ruckmen do not cost first round picks. They cost third or second at most. And arguably that's all you need.

Cameron is wonderful. But would I trade three less contested marks in defence per game for a genuine a-grade midfielder to replace Pendles/Sidey/Mitchell? Hell yeah.

 

[cfc19902010]

John Ralph writing his fairytales again

 

[SchuPie]

Pies eying nga prospect Zac McCarthy in this years draft per cal twomey
The recruiters need to do the maths for some points.

If McCarthy, other NGAs and McGuane are all so good that it costs us future points, I can live w that

 

[Apex36]

This is up there with salary capology, but a $2m investment property in Kew is entirely within the realms of logical.

A little 2/3 bedder which would be easily rented out? Just the kind of thing that dozens and dozens of young good footy players invest in - gives them a property toehold in the city where they expect to end up, even if it isn't until retirement.

Except if you’re looking to invest, that $2m will go a lot further in terms of property (or properties) and rental return, and potentially higher capital gains out in the middle or outer suburbs.
I’m not sure a toehold in Kew “for when they’re ready” is neccessary under those circumstances.

 

[Jen2310]

If McCarthy, other NGAs and McGuane are all so good that it costs us future points, I can live w that

Yeah future picks would get it done. I don't think we have anyone of note next year, and can deal with next year then.

 

[Apex36]

What’s Cameron worth in a trade, late first rounder?

Some of these NGA’s + a trade target will likely require some movement.

He’s a top 3 ruck in the league, contracted and (reportedly) has multiple clubs making enquiries. I’d have thought under those circumstances a top 10 pick would at least get the conversation started.

 

[sideswipe]

Except if you’re looking to invest, that $2m will go a lot further in terms of property (or properties) and rental return, and potentially higher capital gains out in the middle or outer suburbs.
I’m not sure a toehold in Kew “for when they’re ready” is neccessary under those circumstances.

What? How can you possibly say rental yields would be better in middle/outer suburbs or that the capital gains might be potentially higher?

That would make for a lot of disappointed doctors in leafy Kew. Personally, for me the suburb peaked when David Cloke owned the bottleshop at Glenferrie & Cotham. Wasn't big on asking for ID.

What is possible is that middle or outer suburbs might have a higher beta compared to Kew. But that can go both ways.