Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXVII

[The Flying Doormat]

I don't know if our leadership group have it in them to approach Voss, but at the moment they are just happy to to play and pick up their pay cheque.
Charlie is good for a quarter or 2 then disappears, Jeremy Cameron would run at least twice as much as him. Watching the players during the game, they play as if they don't believe in their system, much the same as when Malthouse was coach, just going through the motions. The game plan needs to be tweaked to make our forward entries more efficient and tweaked depending on the side we are playing to nullify their strengths and expose their weaknesses, we do not do this.
At present, this team don't believe in themselves, can Voss turn them around or has he lost them completely?

Game plan needs to blown up, not tweaked.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

But we shouldn’t even be contemplating the idea in any case (force a trade maybe but sure we could manipulate something).
Sorry Tom, you’re not worth that type of money, son. We’ve been over-generous in providing a competitive contract but in hindsight we regret to advise that we’ll revoke our interest and grant your wish to join STK as a FA.
We’ve made other arrangements for our ruck position moving forward.

Agreed. We should never touch it. Incidentally, there was another scribe yesterday saying we have cap issues. but I put no stock in it.

Not only should we let TDK walk, we should get some senior games into Hudson O'Keeffe this season. We are close to the time where we need to see what we have because the season won't be worth fighting for.

I don't want to give the Hawks Pick 4 or whatever it ends up being, but that would mean Pick 5 for us, so we'll just have to accept our fate.

 

[goreds]

and taking that 55-40, option makes defenders worry. our opposition know they can flood deep and double team our forwards because we haven't looked laterally into that band since Cotterell was injured. They roll the dice and 9/10 times the ball is going high, slow and about 25m out from goal, the perfect spot to launch a counterattack from. Even changing the mix to 60:40 would drastically improve our ability to get separation as defenders would need to cover that risk, rather than knowing we won't take it.

Cripps burning Hollands who had 20m clear on the fifty to kick to a 3-on-1 contest 25m out is the perfect example.




That's even before we talk about how dumb our key forwards are for all converging on the same spot with defenders in tow.

He didn't burn him; he just didn't want him to have it.

He's a leader and he knows that Hollands is running free for a reason, it's exactly the same as in a basketball game when the center (who is usually 7ft/214cm tall) is let free when they decide to go out to the 3-point line. No one thinks they can shoot from out there and the defense is quite happy for them to try!

Cripps saw Ollie and didn't want to kick it to him, as he knows on average what would happen next.

 

[Pablito]

Care to define that king's ransom?

2 first round picks and a player. I've got my eye on Dempsey who's a Melbourne boy and out of contract. If not him I'd take another second and third.

 

[DangerousD]

The rumour I’ve just been given is Walsh has a professional dispute with Vossy

I can just imagine he response from Wright.
W: ok we’re getting rid of the problem. We’re trading you to the west toast for their first and second round picks.

Define proffesional? As in doesnt like his coaching?

 

[Jatz]

Agreed. We should never touch it. Incidentally, there was another scribe yesterday saying we have cap issues. but I put no stock in it.

Not only should we let TDK walk, we should get some senior games into Hudson O'Keeffe this season. We are close to the time where we need to see what we have because the season won't be worth fighting for.

I don't want to give the Hawks Pick 4 or whatever it ends up being, but that would mean Pick 5 for us, so we'll just have to accept our fate.

Do it after the bye. Season is realistically gone anyway, give HOK a proper run at it.

 

[Accidental genius]

He didn't burn him; he just didn't want him to have it.

He's a leader and he knows that Hollands is running free for a reason, it's exactly the same as in a basketball game when the center (who is usually 7ft/214cm tall) is let free when they decide to go out to the 3-point line. No one thinks they can shoot from out there and the defense is quite happy for them to try!

Cripps saw Ollie and didn't want to kick it to him, as he knows on average what would happen next.

You might be right…

2-3 weeks ago H did the same thing when again Ollie was in clear space inside f50 but H held off passing until lord ran somewhere around where Ollie presented …h kicked it to lord.

It was pretty blatant the way I saw it.

Maybe a few believe Ollie is a last resort option or not at all

 

[DangerousD]

Is it the way we play or the way Charlie insists on a static wrestling match half the time instead of getting on his bike?

Could be both, vibe seen our forwards constantly run back towards goal when we have the ball, instead of hitting up the ball carrier but as with most things wrong with our club, i see this as a coaching issue.

A good coach would have called out this type of play a long time ago

 

[reubsblues]

I don’t buy the players dont have the skills narrative…

We simply don’t appear to be training an effective game style…particularly those f50 entries or just making good connections in general.

Do it enough at training so your strategies are ingrained into the minds of the players and they will follow suit on game day - it’ll be front and square in their minds.

Pies players all look a million dollars since fly took over…there is intelligence behind how they play.

100% mate look at Gold coast under Hardwick

 

[DangerousD]

Agreed. We should never touch it. Incidentally, there was another scribe yesterday saying we have cap issues. but I put no stock in it.

The last 3 trade periods we’ve added Haynes, Hollands, Acres in a time where we should be going all out for a premiership. All of those three players were bargains for various reasons, now compare that to Collingwood, Brisbane, Geelong and who they were able to bring in, in the lead up to their premierships and who they have brought in since.

If other teams can do it, yet we can’t, then to me that shows more than what anyone at the club says, that we have an issue.

So not an issue in terms of needing to trade our best players but an issue because we can’t add quality in areas of need to the list.

We also traded out our best small forward, a contracted Kennedy and a contracted Fisher in the last 2 trade periods.

 

[RAPPA]

Agreed. We should never touch it. Incidentally, there was another scribe yesterday saying we have cap issues. but I put no stock in it.

Not only should we let TDK walk, we should get some senior games into Hudson O'Keeffe this season. We are close to the time where we need to see what we have because the season won't be worth fighting for.

I don't want to give the Hawks Pick 4 or whatever it ends up being, but that would mean Pick 5 for us, so we'll just have to accept our fate.

As ideal as it would be getting games into HOK if he is internally being considered as next in line, Voss will want to do everything to get wins to save his bacon and that'll mean still playing a checked out TDK

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

As ideal as it would be getting games into HOK if he is internally being considered as next in line, Voss will want to do everything to get wins to save his bacon and that'll mean still playing a checked out TDK

Unfortunately, you are right. It will only happen with guarantees for Voss, or a mid-season sacking.

 

[mjonc43]

He didn't burn him; he just didn't want him to have it.

He's a leader and he knows that Hollands is running free for a reason, it's exactly the same as in a basketball game when the center (who is usually 7ft/214cm tall) is let free when they decide to go out to the 3-point line. No one thinks they can shoot from out there and the defense is quite happy for them to try!

Cripps saw Ollie and didn't want to kick it to him, as he knows on average what would happen next.

This is the biggest load of crap I've ever read.

The percentage play was to use Ollie, who had a clearer shot at goal, or open 50 to hit up the best option.

Cripps made a very poor decision.

 

[jj1978]

The last 3 trade periods we’ve added Haynes, Hollands, Acres in a time where we should be going all out for a premiership. All of those three players were bargains for various reasons, now compare that to Collingwood, Brisbane, Geelong and who they were able to bring in, in the lead up to their premierships and who they have brought in since.

If other teams can do it, yet we can’t, then to me that shows more than what anyone at the club says, that we have an issue.

So not an issue in terms of needing to trade our best players but an issue because we can’t add quality in areas of need to the list.

We also traded out our best small forward, a contracted Kennedy and a contracted Fisher in the last 2 trade periods.

Still can't fathom why we didn't go after someone like Caleb Daniel. Unless we did and he went Clarko v Voss.

 

[jj1978]

This is the biggest load of crap I've ever read.

The percentage play was to use Ollie, who had a clearer shit at goal, or open 50 to hit up the best option.

Cripps made a very poor decision.

The way we play makes sense.

 

[goreds]

The rumour I’ve just been given is Walsh has a professional dispute with Vossy

I can just imagine he response from Wright.
W: ok we’re getting rid of the problem. We’re trading you to the west toast for their first and second round picks.

I'd prefer one of their players thanks...!

 

[ITCHY EYEBALLS]

This is the biggest load of crap I've ever read.

The percentage play was to use Ollie, who had a clearer shit at goal, or open 50 to hit up the best option.

Cripps made a very poor decision.

Weitering was guilty of stuffing up attacking moves from the back half at least 3 times that i saw.
We had worked to get the switch going, and he had open targets 30 mts up the line, but he hesitated, and switched play back to congestion from where it came. It was so frustrating. Players bust a gut to get to the fat side, and he just ignores them, which then leaves us exposed as we have players stranded in no mans land.
I don't put that on the coaches, more a lack of confidence by a leader to execute.

 

[Accidental genius]

100% mate look at Gold coast under Hardwick

Yeah - that’s a really good example of how a team can make significant improvement with a modern style coach.

 

[ferrisb]

Damn - that sucks. It's not really fair either.

Disagree. The whole FA compo is stupid. But this part (net FA compo) is the only bit that makes sense.

FA was brought it to facilitate player movement, not to benefit clubs. If you lose an A-grader to FA, you get compensated. If you also recruit an A-grade FA that same season, why would you need to get compensated? You came out square.

The really smart clubs would lose a player to FA, hold fire that year, pocket the compo and then recruit an FA the following year. Players cancel each other out and you pocket a free pick.

Granted, you can't always recruit in a theoretical vacuum. But this would be my ideal approach.

 

[ferrisb]

Bonts left in the FA list

KohPhi

 

[goreds]

This is the biggest load of crap I've ever read.

The percentage play was to use Ollie, who had a clearer shit (shot) at goal, or open 50 to hit up the best option.

Cripps made a very poor decision.

There is NO doubt Cripps looked directly at Ollie, no doubt. He is an ELITE player who had more than 3 seconds to kick it to Ollie, why didn't he?

This is not a decision of a 19-year-old playing for glory, this is a CAPTAIN.

My point is, he saw it was Ollie and didn't trust he (Ollie) could kick the goal, SIMPLE.

There are numerous examples of this, even another poster Accidental genius a few posts earlier gave another example. It happens all the time at local level and at AFL level.

If I was an opposition coach, Ollie would be encouraged to get the ball, where if it was Dan Houston, he would be locked down at all costs.

 

[goreds]

Still can't fathom why we didn't go after someone like Caleb Daniel. Unless we did and he went Clarko v Voss.

We did.

 

[SurreyBlue]

He didn't burn him; he just didn't want him to have it.

He's a leader and he knows that Hollands is running free for a reason, it's exactly the same as in a basketball game when the center (who is usually 7ft/214cm tall) is let free when they decide to go out to the 3-point line. No one thinks they can shoot from out there and the defense is quite happy for them to try!

Cripps saw Ollie and didn't want to kick it to him, as he knows on average what would happen next.

It was a handball option, not a kick but this post is utter cr@p.

 

[The Bighouse]

100% mate look at Gold coast under Hardwick

Traded-in HBF’ers have helped a hell of a lot in their transformation.
Rowell reformed.
Long stepping up to assist in the forward line as another foil/option.
Previous drafting hauls (that will continue)

Apart from George mirroring Rowell, we’re not near them in the other points.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Do it after the bye. Season is realistically gone anyway, give HOK a proper run at it.

100%. It is vital to know what we have so we know what we need. Do we need another #1 ruck, or do we need a #3 ruck?

I have a great feeling about HOK. Probably needs to get his tap numbers up, but around the ground, he's going to be decent. He will be 21 going into next season, so the least experienced of all first rucks, you would think.