Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXVIII

[Aphrodite]

#BUMP from February


Re: 'Alleged' rumours resurfacing ...

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[JustOneTime]

The Media types and their comments you have to take with a pinch of salt.

How on earth is our cap space tight with TDK supposedly gone, and then McKay and Walsh potentially gone?

And why is no-one looking into the books down at Geelong. If they do get Walsh and they got Smith last year. How are they doing it.... legally. Seriously.

Why do we constantly get the negative chatter about our cap space but no-one else seems too!?

Maybe, maybe not.

When Cerra came didnt a few of the higher profile players re-structure their contract to ensure we could afford him.

The TDK contract offer from us may involve a lot of key players restructuring and pushing back the main part of their contract to fit him in at the price. If he goes to saints we then dont restructure to fit him in. Means we only pocket his current salary and then you have to factor in how many players are out of contract right now who want more money.

Plus in the off-season will will def look for a ruckman who wont be any less than 400k-600k right? So most of TDK's current salary already gone.

JSoS would want more money and I guess would have been underpaid (deserves a rise). McGovern is never a type to want to have less money on his new contract right? Cincotta and Motlop might be asking for more whether they deserve it or not...not a lot more but a minimal upgrade given they are now almost lock fringe 22 players.

I think it is a complicated situation and Carlton have overpaid. Young and Pitto are on AFL contract level contracts despite being tweener players etc. Saad on too much. And Carlton has overpaid on the stars given injury/output/performance.

The picture probably isnt that good.

And yes, the club can say they can afford a player for sure....it is just how much restructuring will go on to fit that player in. Houston last off-season showed how hard it was for them. He wanted to come to us...we need his type 10/10 and we had to say no.

 

[Coona Blues]

Especially with the garbage in this year's draft crop.

Current info straight from a recruiter, this year's top 10 wouldn't make the top 10 in last year's and that wasn't a strong crop either!

Throw in F/S and players tied to clubs and there is nothing there!

There are always hidden gems, even in a weak draft. (Reckon I can name a couple straight up)

 

[goreds]

There are always hidden gems, even in a weak draft. (Reckon I can name a couple straight up)

Needle in haystack...

A pure waste of resources.

 

[Big Delut]

McGovern is never a type to want to have less money on his new contract right?

I don't think we can expect much further reduction after he dropped his salary so much when he re-signed 2 years ago. With that trigger locked in for 2026 it will be interesting to see whether he plays beyond this deal in any case.

 

[dumb]

if we (this includes myself) think of our midfield performance and the way it can put our defenders under the pump, it's hard to ignore how the same midfield could make our forward line look. not to mention tactics. would forward line superstars succeed the same way they did at their own club, if they came to our club? who will we ask to outmark the interceptors we kick it to? which small forward from another side would we be asking to take a pack mark?

not to say our key forwards can't do better. we wouldn't have to worry so much about our midfield being scythed through out of defence if our forwards kicked straighter.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

Jordan Lewis just suggested we trade all of Cripps, Curnow, McKay and Walsh. How good!

Genuinely believe one of Cripps or Walsh should be moved and one of Charlie and Harry should be moved. Also think only one of Docherty and Saad should go into 2026 too.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

What message would that send to our current playing group? What about players from other clubs?

It would fracture the list.

Football teams are more than names on a whiteboard.

The list, and our so called stars on it, are the problem.

 

[JK61]

Houston last off-season showed how hard it was for them. He wanted to come to us...we need his type 10/10 and we had to say no.

The main issue with Houston was draft capital. If we took Houston (his preference was us) we don’t get Jagga.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

I’m still sceptical, it’s hard to believe we will go into 2026 with any meaningful change.

A couple of assistants may be made scapegoats.

They may bolster the recruiting department, so we can identify players we can’t afford.

Can’t see much change in the list.

This. All of it

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

So you would prefer to keep lazy Charlie over H. H is an incredible athlete for his size, covers a lot of ground. His rucking

has really improved and he usually gives a very good account of himself against oppo's relief ruck. He was our best player

in two games this season, basically winning both of his own foot. H is the kind of player that is not easily replaced.

Charlie on the other hand, has a knee that is a constant worry. Apparently it is to blame for his lack of willingness to tackle,

shepherd or chase. So basically he is a player that either takes the mark and wheels on to his right and kicks a ripping goal

form 55 or he does very little else. I believe he is a liability in our team and we need to orchestrate a trade for him, as a

matter of urgency.

Agreed. Would trade Charlie first.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

I'd seriously consider Harry for First Round and Campbell.

Although I'd prefer to keep him and trade Charlie

Make it Charlie for the 1st and Campbell and Im sold.

 

[Blue__Balls]

If we get 3 first rounders for TDK, Walsh and McKay, its less likely then likely that we draft a single player as good as any of those 3.

It's not about getting "as good" a player. You'd want to, of course, but if we're turning over some of these players it's to address specific needs in player types, and to try and do so with picks that give us access to good players of those types.

Small forward who actually kicks goals. Quick mid with good skills. Dashing defender with an elite kick.

In isolation, each player might not be as good as the one they replace. But we'd just want them to be good enough in their role that we're then able to match it with the demands of the modern game.

If we could trade Fogarty and get a quality small forward in return, or trade Acres and get an elite distributor, obviously that would be preferable. But as they say, you've gotta give to get.

 

[JustOneTime]

It's not about getting "as good" a player. You'd want to, of course, but if we're turning over some of these players it's to address specific needs in player types, and to try and do so with picks that give us access to good players of those types.

Small forward who actually kicks goals. Quick mid with good skills. Dashing defender with an elite kick.

In isolation, each player might not be as good as the one they replace. But we'd just want them to be good enough in their role that we're then able to match it with the demands of the modern game.

If we could trade Fogarty and get a quality small forward in return, or trade Acres and get an elite distributor, obviously that would be preferable. But as they say, you've gotta give to get.

I think you are over simplifying things when you say them. Lets go over the last sentence. Trade Fogarty and get a small quality forward in return. That is nigh impossible and the proof is in the fact that Carlton havent found a small forward for years of trying.

For those proposing any sort of exodus i think you are slightly misguided. We have taken 25 years to find TDK to only now use him. We havent had a ruck that wins over 50%. Kruezer was heart and soul but lost all the taps which is his core role. We had no quality key forwards for 20 years except Fev despite trying hard to find them and people want us to get rid of Mckay or Curnow. So hard to replace. Need so much like to find equivalent. and forget the point about finding players more suited to the current game, Mckay and TDK are fine for the current game.

If you said find the right type of players to add to our list then that sits right.

And think about a fire sale. Players frustrated right now. how will that trade really work out when Walshy says I've had enough and I only want to go to Geelong. It will start a crapfight we wont win al la Tuohy. Think Petracca and Oliver wanting out of the Demons last year. Other clubs werent thinking I'll pay fair value; they were looking for a bargain buy for a disgruntled player.

That is what will happe with us if we go down this path.

Don't play with fire.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

and forget the point about finding players more suited to the current game

I would have thought the main reason to trade out any of our big names is to reallocate some salary cap over a wider range and not be as top heavy. Tweaking the list profile whilst at it would be a bonus. But like you I'm not sold on the idea anyway.

 

[Blue__Balls]

I think you are over simplifying things when you say them. Lets go over the last sentence. Trade Fogarty and get a small quality forward in return. That is nigh impossible and the proof is in the fact that Carlton havent found a small forward for years of trying.

For those proposing any sort of exodus i think you are slightly misguided. We have taken 25 years to find TDK to only now use him. We havent had a ruck that wins over 50%. Kruezer was heart and soul but lost all the taps which is his core role. We had no quality key forwards for 20 years except Fev despite trying hard to find them and people want us to get rid of Mckay or Curnow. So hard to replace. Need so much like to find equivalent. and forget the point about finding players more suited to the current game, Mckay and TDK are fine for the current game.

If you said find the right type of players to add to our list then that sits right.

And think about a fire sale. Players frustrated right now. how will that trade really work out when Walshy says I've had enough and I only want to go to Geelong. It will start a crapfight we wont win al la Tuohy. Think Petracca and Oliver wanting out of the Demons last year. Other clubs werent thinking I'll pay fair value; they were looking for a bargain buy for a disgruntled player.

That is what will happe with us if we go down this path.

Don't play with fire.

Feel like you've misunderstood me. I'm not suggesting we trade Fogarty for a quality anything, I'm well aware that's impossible. Nor am I suggesting that McKay or TDK are unsuited to the modern game.

What I'm saying is that the list lacks key player types of sufficient quality to be able to execute a more modern transition game. And that in order to recruit those sorts of players, we may need to trade some of our quality players. It sounds counterintuitive, but it's not.

McKay would be an incredible asset to retain if we could reliably move the ball from D50 to F50 and then hit him on the lead. But we can't. And with the current state of the club, it may be difficult to bring in the required players to improve that aspect of our game without trading players of value.

So our options are:
- keep all our gun players, hope that the kids we have and the few we can draft with late picks are able to come in and improve us before players like Harry or Cripps retire.
- trade Harry or Cripps, address the deficiencies with better picks, and trust that lesser players can fill their spots within a more balanced team.

The example would be - if we could trade Harry, recruit a Gulden-type, delist Acres, and bring Lemmey into the forward line, are we better off? Lemmey isn't as good as Harry one-for-one, but with improved delivery could Lemmey be a 40-45 goal-a-game forward? I reckon that's possible.

 

[gbatman]

MCKay should be the forward/ruck in our next flag and Curnow should be there as well. They are injured and out of form but aren't our problem.

If you want to build a premiership side then the challenge is to build around our better players.

WE have one last chance.

 

[JustOneTime]

I would have thought the main reason to trade out any of our big names is to reallocate some salary cap over a wider range and not be as top heavy. Tweaking the list profile whilst at it would be a bonus. But like you I'm not sold on the idea anyway.

The principle sounds fine doesnt it. The execution is the issue. Trading Harry leaves charlie double-teamed and easy to rebound off. Trading Weiters leaves us with no Key defender. Trading Walsh leaves us with no run. Losing TDK leaves us with the 20+ year plus problem of a weak/injured ruck in Pitto.

I'd agree with everyone that list management has left us in this predicament due to the lopsided nature of the talent and contracts. Every time a key player goes down we go...bloody hell. Right now Pies/Hawks/Lions just get on with it without a second glance.

There is only one player we can afford to lose that would give us value. But that is a brutal path to follow.

 

[JustOneTime]

Would be nice if Carlton could have created some trouble for Saint Kilda with a 1.3 offer for Milera. Even if he only wanted to potentially leave for an Adelaide club. At least help up his value like has happened to us with TDK.

Just feels like Carlton have no balls.

 

[KohPhi]

Agree with the trading McKay, Curnow and Walsh sentiments.
We'll get great picks, and should use them to draft a tall, mobile forward/ruck who can get up and down the ground, a mercurial match winning, crowd drawing forward, and a midfield accumulater who when fit, can run all day..


Get it done Austin..

 

[CJMB]

Agree with the trading McKay, Curnow and Walsh sentiments.
We'll get great picks, and should use them to draft a tall, mobile forward/ruck who can get up and down the ground, a mercurial match winning, crowd drawing forward, and a midfield accumulater who when fit, can run all day..


Get it done Austin..

Bont?

 

[KohPhi]

Bont?

Please.. show some reverence when using his name..

 

[JustOneTime]

Would be a great strategy and would coincide with a 3 year wait for those new picks to be finals worthy while at the same time losing 8+ other decent players due to old age.

 

[Leeway]

Have you actually watched Harry McKay play?? Because this makes no sense.

This... x

 

[blue healer]

Agree with the trading McKay, Curnow and Walsh sentiments.
We'll get great picks, and should use them to draft a tall, mobile forward/ruck who can get up and down the ground, a mercurial match winning, crowd drawing forward, and a midfield accumulater who when fit, can run all day..


Get it done Austin..

And while we're at it, hold on to our entire coaching staff so they can work their development magic on these exceptional draftees.

 

[Treesloth]

Don’t jump on here to post much - mostly just to observe the bluemour space and the healthy conversation among like-minded types while our club continues to implode.

Having said that - I have some contacts in the industry and have pretty decent mail that Charlie wants out. He’s after a “change of scenery” and Swans are a watch here. #Bluemour