USA MAGA activist Charlie Kirk shot dead during Utah rally

[Gethelred]

Okay. We've probably had enough of a free for all.

There are still forum and site posting guidelines, and you will abide by them.

A few seem to be of the opinion that now is a good time to have a crack at moderators or moderation. I'd rather like to discourage that impulse so I'm going to make it explicit: a moderator on this forum is a poster like any other, and can share their views and have free use of the forum like any other. If you feel a post breaches the rules report it; attacking a mod for their posting or objecting to a post purely because a moderator said it is grounds for an infraction and some time off.

From here, if you cannot speak civilly, you will not be allowed to participate.

Thanks all.

 

[bourbons]

I actually would. I’m defending Kirk who I didn’t like one bit

How are those stats coming along mate, any progress?

 

[faible]

Look around, it's allover Australia! Not hard to find. Hateful, vitriolic, ignorant, mentally unstable lunatics! America is full of them, Australia is no exception.

You described the right wing well. Neo-Nazi’s were out in the streets last week.

 

[Malifice]

Look around, it's all over Australia! Not hard to find. Hateful, vitriolic, ignorant, mentally unstable (leftist) lunatics!

Name one.

Seriously, just one.

Then show me their 'hateful, ignorant, mentally unstable vitriol'.

When you realize you cant, then perhaps consider what the algorithms on the feeds of your computer have done to you.

 

[bzparkes]

Name one.

Seriously, just one.

Then show me their 'hateful, ignorant, mentally unstable vitriol'.

When you realize you cant, then perhaps consider what the algorithms on the feeds of your computer have done to you.

Maybe not in Australia but Hasan Piker would be the most famous currently.

 

[awaremind]

There was chatter around it.

It's becoming increasingly apparent that this was most likely a false flag attack from an incel far right winger, radicalized online, with a goal of accelerationism (triggering a civil war).

It's an act of terrorism.

Which if true, is Kirks grifting, contributing to the radicalization of young men exactly like his killer, coming back to roost.

The extreme right does have issues, who could deny that, but the entire left , from msnbc to Antifa has lost its mind, and humanity. I have consistently taken a depolarisation stance on this site and been relentlessly attacked for it. On other social media I make videos attacking ideological capture and polarisation. I try focus on self healing and reflection, nature and creativity.

I don’t appreciate being mis represented, and any sensible left wingers are disgusted with the schadenfreude.

 

[Underarm]

Maybe not in Australia but Hasan Piker would be the most famous currently.

Is it really that hard for you to find one in Australia?

 

[GreyCrow]

Look around, it's allover Australia! Not hard to find. Hateful, vitriolic, ignorant, mentally unstable lunatics! America is full of them, Australia is no exception.

Confirmed

 

[Gethelred]

This thread has jumped the shark the last 4-5 pages, holy moly.

A lot of very very shit individuals on this forum, apparently.

You are welcome to leave at any time.

 

[ABSOLUTE MADMAN]

Is it possible for someone in their early 20's to have different political views to their parents and grandparents?

Would be pretty common or even the most common occurrence. Not sure how this is some big gotcha moment at this stage. What other info is there?

 

[Spearman]

BREAKING: MAGA world flies into panic mode as the grandmother of Charlie Kirk's suspected assassin Tyler Robinson reveals that his entire family is hardcore MAGA.

The Republican narrative has collapsed in record time...

“My son, his dad, is a Republican for Trump. Most of my family members are Republican. I don’t know any single one who’s a Democrat," the suspect's grandmother Debbie Robinson told The Daily Mail.

“I’m just so confused. [Tyler] is the shyest person. He has never, ever spoke politics to me at all," she added.

The Daily Beast reported that both of Robinson's parents are registered Republicans who hold hunting licenses. They appear to be run-of-the-mill conservative gun nuts.

In the immediate aftermath of Kirk's assassination, Republicans rushed to blame Democrats. Donald Trump pointed a finger at the "radical left" and MAGA influencers, including Donald Trump Jr., gleefully embraced the false narrative that the shooter was transgender.

We now know that the alleged shooter was a 22-year-old white Mormon man from Utah. It seems increasingly likely that he was a far-right supporter of the white nationalist Nick Fuentes. The engravings on the bullets found appear to be references to memes popular within Fuentes's "groyper" movement. Groypers despised Charlie Kirk because he wasn't right-wing enough for their taste and they believe that he sold out the "America First" movement.

One bullet was engraved with the phrase “Hey fascist! Catch!" but it does not appear to be a left-wing "antifa" message as Republicans originally claimed. Instead, it seems to be a reference to a satirical slogan in the popular video game Helldivers 2. Video games are a crucial cornerstone of the bizarre groyper worldview, along with misogyny and racism.

In the coming days we will no doubt learn more about this twisted shooter and his hateful beliefs but we cannot allow Republicans to slink away without taking responsibility for their lies. Yesterday, they were promising now civil war. Now that it appears the shooter was one of their own, they want to move on.

We must hold them accountable. The shooter is not transgender, is not a Democrat, and is not an immigrant. He's an unstable homegrown white man with access to firearms. America's gun violence problem is a Republican problem.

Please like and share!

Unfortunately all we'll get is Moskowitz and Crockett calling out the scum on CSPAN or YT. It won't reach the people who need to hear; the people who voted for those scum and who consume right wing media.

 

[bzparkes]

Is it really that hard for you to find one in Australia?

I'm not the one who made the claim.

 

[GreyCrow]

The extreme right does have issues, who could deny that, but the entire left , from msnbc to Antifa has lost its mind, and humanity. I have consistently taken a depolarisation stance on this site and been relentlessly attacked for it. On other social media I make videos attacking ideological capture and polarisation. I try focus on self healing and reflection, nature and creativity.

I don’t appreciate being mis represented, and any sensible left wingers are disgusted with the schadenfreude.

So only some on the right concern you but its the entire left

Yeah rightio

 

[T2B_]

The extreme right does have issues, who could deny that, but the entire left , from msnbc to Antifa has lost its mind, and humanity. I have consistently taken a depolarisation stance on this site and been relentlessly attacked for it. On other social media I make videos attacking ideological capture and polarisation. I try focus on self healing and reflection, nature and creativity.

I don’t appreciate being mis represented, and any sensible left wingers are disgusted with the schadenfreude.

Says they take depolarisation stance.

Yet accuses anyone left as being insane.

 

[awaremind]

Says they take depolarisation stance.

Yet accuses anyone left as being insane.

I’m for depolarisation not denial of reality

 

[Chief]

He probably left the gun in the open (with the anti-fascist writing on in) deliberately, in order to frame 'the left' and push everyone closer to said war.

Still early days, but that's what it pretty clearly looks like at this stage.

Predicted response from the thought leaders in the right wing organisations:

"The groyper pics are AI generated. He was a leftist Brony."

 

[GreyCrow]

Is it possible for someone in their early 20's to have different political views to their parents and grandparents?

Would be pretty common or even the most common occurrence. Not sure how this is some big gotcha moment at this stage. What other info is there?

Given he originally registered at 18 as a Republican and that he turned 22 it is indeed a radical shift in just a few short years

 

[bzparkes]

Is it possible for someone in their early 20's to have different political views to their parents and grandparents?

Would be pretty common or even the most common occurrence. Not sure how this is some big gotcha moment at this stage. What other info is there?

According to a reporter from the Guardian, who spoke with one of his high school friends, he was the only 'leftist' among a family of hardcore Republicans, at least at high school. Says he hadn't spoken with him since 2021.

Charlie Kirk shooting suspect: details of messages and gun casings emerge

Utah officials say they were contacted by family friend of Tyler Robinson, 22, accused of killing rightwing activist

www.theguardian.com

 

[awaremind]

So only some on the right concern you but its the entire left

Yeah rightio

Read the thread. Imagine it was aoc who got murdered.

 

[GreyCrow]

According to a reporter from the Guardian, who spoke with one of his high school friends, he was the only 'leftist' among a family of hardcore Republicans, at least at high school. Says he hadn't spoken with him since 2021.

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Charlie Kirk shooting suspect: details of messages and gun casings emerge

Utah officials say they were contacted by family friend of Tyler Robinson, 22, accused of killing rightwing activist

www.theguardian.com

Yet he registered as Republican

 

[GreyCrow]

Read the thread. Imagine it was aoc who got murdered.

Then it would be by a Right leaning person

It wont be a left on left crime

 

[GreyCrow]

Read the thread. Imagine it was aoc who got murdered.

You would be cheering along with all the other '' centrists ''

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

How are those stats coming along mate, any progress?

Something like alcohol causes 4 times more deaths in the US than guns. 40% of homicide victims have alcohol in their system.

44% of Homicides are done while intoxicated in Australia

That’s a 2min google search

 

[Green Hammer]

The extreme right does have issues, who could deny that, but the entire left , from msnbc to Antifa has lost its mind, and humanity. I have consistently taken a depolarisation stance on this site and been relentlessly attacked for it. On other social media I make videos attacking ideological capture and polarisation. I try focus on self healing and reflection, nature and creativity.

I don’t appreciate being mis represented, and any sensible left wingers are disgusted with the schadenfreude.

Msnbc is left???

 

[GreyCrow]

Something like alcohol causes 4 times more deaths in the US than guns. 40% of homicide victims have alcohol in their system.

44% of Homicides are done while intoxicated in Australia

That’s a 2min google search

How many bottles of alcohol are used as weapons?

 

[bzparkes]

Yet he registered as Republican

Probably registered because of his family, I imagine. A number of people on the Instagram post claim to have known him in high school and said he was very left leaning, although that must be taken with a grain of salt, of course. USA treats politics like a sporting team, after all. Heaven forbid you support a different team.