USA MAGA activist Charlie Kirk shot dead during Utah rally

[Gethelred]

Okay. We've probably had enough of a free for all.

There are still forum and site posting guidelines, and you will abide by them.

A few seem to be of the opinion that now is a good time to have a crack at moderators or moderation. I'd rather like to discourage that impulse so I'm going to make it explicit: a moderator on this forum is a poster like any other, and can share their views and have free use of the forum like any other. If you feel a post breaches the rules report it; attacking a mod for their posting or objecting to a post purely because a moderator said it is grounds for an infraction and some time off.

From here, if you cannot speak civilly, you will not be allowed to participate.

Thanks all.

 

[Gough]

And all the chuds are sending money.

 

[Gralin]

Millions being raised to help a millionaire's family, imagine what they could do if they brought this energy to helping people who weren't already financially stable

 

[Gough]

Local branch tied in to the Abbott wing of the Liberal Party.

 

[Saint]

I reckon there needs to be less we're doing this or we're doing that when you mean you

too many people are talking like they're talking on behalf of everyone which is also feeding into the narrative that Trump wants

plus I don't find it funny that his response is going to be an escalation

I don't mean on behalf of everyone, I mean on behalf of people outside the USA who MAGAs call woke or leftists, which is a good chunk of the population, probably more than half, or anyone who isn't MAGA.

I don't particularly care if the US becomes more insular and violent, it seems to be all they want, on both sides recently. Given their history of international violence, I guess it's easy not to feel sorry for them, though I should.

 

[Saint]

And all the chuds are sending money.

I thought they were just sending thoughts and prayers like they do for innocent children gunned down?

 

[Gralin]

I don't mean on behalf of everyone, I mean on behalf of people outside the USA who MAGAs call woke or leftists, which is a good chunk of the population, probably more than half, or anyone who isn't MAGA.

I don't particularly care if the US becomes more insular and violent, it seems to be all they want, on both sides recently. Given their history of international violence, I guess it's easy not to feel sorry for them, though I should.

yeah again you're talking on behalf of a group of people

which is doing the same thing the as the guys saying the left are the party of murder, everyone on the left is celebrating etc

they want a simple binary of us vs everyone else

 

[Gavin Excell]

I’m not seeing that to be the response from the “masses”, even on the left.

Most of the left wing social media I’ve consumed over this has been basically “it’s a sad and wrong thing he was killed, but that doesn’t mean I now support his views.”

I would say my thoughts echo what Stephen Woodford, host of “Rationality Rules”, a channel which delves into the logic and fallacies and debate:

Despite various outlets wanting to drive outrage, the reality is most media and prominent Democrats have denounced the violence

 

[Gavin Excell]

yeah again you're talking on behalf of a group of people

which is doing the same thing the as the guys saying the left are the party of murder, everyone on the left is celebrating etc

they want a simple binary of us vs everyone else

Yes left v right mass groups where everyone on each "side" has same opposing views

 

[awaremind]

We have been warning Conservatives for years that their rhetoric promoting division and violence will lead to further division and violence.

And then it did.

We're not happy Kirk is dead. But we're laughing at the response of Conservatives like Trump saying it's because of too much violence and division and that his response is going to be more violence and division.

I’m not a conservative - if I am I’m a wierd one - I’ve consistently voted labor over liberal, I’m anti war and I believe in universal access to free healthcare and education. I’m just triggering to the prevailing majority here, because I don’t agree with everything you guys do .

 

[Anzacpaul]

Funny people carrying on about DEI hires when you look at the state of Trump's cabinet.

 

[Saint]

yeah again you're talking on behalf of a group of people

which is doing the same thing the as the guys saying the left are the party of murder, everyone on the left is celebrating etc

they want a simple binary of us vs everyone else

Yeah, and like I said, I don't care if Americans think like that, or people who read this obscure political forum.

People should be adult enough to realise we're all in the same predicament (and by "we", I mean everyone in the bottom 90% of wealth). I hold little sympathy for those who believe in propping up the rich and that trickle-down economics is viable.

(So yes, right now, I'm happy to contribute to the problem, but also acknowledge it).

 

[Satan]

Not on X

allegedly Cash has retweeted an fox article which says unnamed fbi sources. Does that mean the article is true?

shooters lawyers might bring this up in court suggesting its poisoning the trial

 

[Gough]

Not on X

allegedly Cash has retweeted an fox article which says unnamed fbi sources. Does that mean the article is true?

shooters lawyers might bring this up in court suggesting its poisoning the trial

There's zero chance this guy can get a fair trial but I don't suppose that will matter much.

 

[Satan]

There's zero chance this guy can get a fair trial but I don't suppose that will matter much.

Case might have to be held in Greenland

 

[Cyclops]

The reach of US media is astounding. A twitter and IRL troll has been shot. Apparently people in Australia care? Its not our business. If young Australians follow this campaigner they are being very stupid. Practically all out politics looks like communism to the Seppos, and their propagandists have a long history of lying about our country for internal consumption.

I care that the US is being run by e-celebs because it impacts the reliability of our major ally. Hegseth's Pentagon is a clown show. The idiot running the FBI is another clown ("the suspect is in custody"), but he doesn't impact Australia directly.

I don't particularly care that an e-celeb got shot. It's not great for the family, but the amount of "do you condemn Hamas, Israel, Kirk's shooter, Ted Bundy and the heartbreak of psoriasis" gatekeeping going on is absurd.

 

[awaremind]

some people try and get educated on a topic before talking about it, some don't

As long getting educated means finding out all available facts and being open to new developments , I agree 100%

 

[Cyg1992]

And all the chuds are sending money.

Mostly poor and stupid people sending money to a multi millionaire, in the hopes of what exactly?

These people are brainwashed into a cult beyond hope.

And she dares to cosplay as a Christian.

 

[Gralin]

As long getting educated means finding out all available facts and being open to new developments , I agree 100%

Have you looked up what a groyper is yet?

 

[PJays]

This thread is abysmal.

And demonstrates how rapidly civilisation is declining, due to, as far as I can ascertain, 2 main reasons:

1. The existence of social media and the internet which has multiple deleterious effects. It desensitises people and results in them dehumanising others, it shortens attention spans and makes us intellectually lazy.

2. Collective forgetting of the things that made our civilisation great in the first place.

A few of you need a take a long, hard look in the mirror.

 

[awaremind]

Have you looked up what a groyper is yet?

Come now I have been on social media other than this far more than this one, I primarily only on here to keep in touch with friends I’ve met in the forum .

 

[Gralin]

Come now I have been on social media other than this far more than this one, I primarily only on here to keep in touch with friends I’ve met in the forum .

Meaning?

 

[kranky al]

Funny people carrying on about DEI hires when you look at the state of Trump's cabinet.

Hegseth is actually a DUI hire

 

[awaremind]

Meaning?

It’s a wide world I know what a groyper is. They dont like me either. I don’t think this was necessarily them yet, I still think there’s a fog of war around this case. Anything this controversial is bound to have conflicting narratives and possibly even several things going on simultaneously. There’s apparently a lot of evidence that points to both sides of the extremist youth spectrum.

 

[PJays]

I have a challenge for everyone in this thread who agrees with any of the below:

If you think Kirk was a hateful person.

If you think he was a violent person.

If you think he was dividing people.

If you think he was only motivated by getting clicks, and nothing else.

If you think it's poetic justice, or "karma" that he died, or that he simply "reaped what he sowed".

My challenge is two-fold:

1. Spend an hour on Kirk's instagram page, watching his interactions with students.

2. From now on, whenever you see a quote that allegedly demonstrates how callous/divisive/stupid he was (for example his empathy quote or his 2nd amendment "worth it" comment), go on YouTube or instagram and watch the entire quote including surrounding context.

 

[Gralin]

It’s a wide world I know what a groyper is. They dont like me either. I don’t think this was necessarily them yet, I still think there’s a fog of war around this case. Anything this controversial is bound to have conflicting narratives and possibly even several things going on simultaneously. There’s apparently a lot of evidence that points to both sides of the extremist youth spectrum.

Ok so despite statics saying 84% of polticial violence in America is right wing extremism

Despite the shooter coming from a right wing family

Despite evidence pointing to him being a groyper and you knowing what a groyper is

Despite all of this you're in here suggesting it's not what it looks like, acting like his groyper memes point to him being a left wing extremist (the whole point of them btw)

All the evidence points to one thing but it could be the complete opposite isn't keeping an open mind

Acting like you don't know what a groyper is to ask questions about left wing extremism isn't keeping an open mind

You're not interested in all the facts