Rumour Bluemour Discussion XLI

[Aphrodite]

#BUMP from February


Re: 'Alleged' rumours resurfacing ...

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Thanks all!

 

[El Topo]

It was widely reported that when JSOS announced he was leaving the offers before him were similar to our offer. It was some time later that the inflated offer from the Saints came in.

Those who like to spruke that he left for money are doing him a disservice IMO. I don't know why he wanted out but from all reports it wasn't initially for money.

Footy is business, and Jack and SOS played the whole competition perfectly - see the coffee date with McRae.

He probably stays if we were on the cusp of a flag but that's the price we pay for ****ing it up.

 

[HarryFlashman]

At the end of the day, the in’s out’s & picks mean exactly nothing if we don’t have a massive change in game plan & style.

We have been shit largely due to an outdated, slow, congested, contest first game plan.
We either evolve & adapt or more of the same is coming.

Hopefully our tolerance is close to zero and if we do start going down the same path we cut our loss quickly.

For all the positivity people try to foster, Voss hasn’t come close to showing or proving he’s a decent coach who can implement an effective game plan that utilizes our players to their strengths.

 

[carlton_99]

Just assuming I’m an out of the loop halfwit.

POD???

Point of difference

 

[Soapy V]

Our midfield is still the same core. No improvement from those trades.

The clubs stance was that we wanted an A grade player if we were to trade Charlie. A player with 4 years remaining on his contract and we traded him to the club of his choice. Why? Which A grader did we end up with?
Leek Aleer was gettable and would of slotted in perfectly with Weitering instead of using a future second on Ainsworth.
We couldn't even get Khamis deal over the line.
We traded away alot of future picks too. Next year we only have our first rounder and Sydney's first which highly likely will need to be used to match Cody Walker. Our next pick is 4th round.

Cmon Opium, look at the whole picture

Charlie had to go. Culture and SC pressure and we effectively replaced him with 2 best 23 players and three first round picks. For a 29 year old

Pick 11 (maybe with 9)could easily get us another gun mid
Jagga is back
Walker next year we have now secured without having to do anything else
Walsh will hopefully be fit
Ben Campo coming through
Massive wraps on Ison
Moir looking to build in the middle

This on top of Cripps Hewett Lord & Cerra

Now supported by genuine outside run in Florent Cheser Wilson and more

Aleer was never an option
Ainsworth fills a need and was cheap

And we haven’t finished yet and haven’t blown money or picks on the quick fixes that have failed before

 

[DangerousD]

If 2025 Petracca is worth 3-4 1st rounders, Butters is worth at least that if not more.

The market has gone a bit stupid, and GC not needing 1st round picks to get 1st round academy players (and the consistent numbers at which they get them each year) throws the economy out completely.

Petracca was a contracted player, Butters wont be, its a really big difference.

 

[DangerousD]

Ben Hobbs might be a good rookie list option. Brad Scott ruins players. He would be horrible to play for

After seeing Voss go to Freo and be quality, its worth a look

 

[DangerousD]

Has anyone done a calculation on the total price GC paid for Petracca? It would be good to know for reference

I’ve done a quick break down and projection using ChatGPT and it works out to be equivalent of pick 1

 

[Soapy V]

That's culture and leadership. Jack Silvagni is a player who wants to win at all costs. For him to jump ship confirms the club is in a massive hole and he couldn't see anything to indicate its changing anytime soon.

I agree. Jack left because of frustration. Culture was bad

However, Wright has come in, admitted to issues and is addressing them. Look at changes to coaching , development and our new HOF

I see significant changes happening. At the moment I couldn’t ask for anything more

As you said, time will tell, but things are definitely happening

 

[Stig O'Hara]

I agree. Jack left because of frustration. Culture was bad

However, Wright has come in, admitted to issues and is addressing them. Look at changes to coaching , development and our new HOF

I see significant changes happening. At the moment I couldn’t ask for anything more

As you said, time will tell, but things are definitely happening

Jack left for the money.

Period.

Let’s see how committed he is per game at 50% fit next year in the middle of winter.

 

[gab213]

Cmon Opium, look at the whole picture

Charlie had to go. Culture and SC pressure and we effectively replaced him with 2 best 23 players and three first round picks. For a 29 year old

Pick 11 (maybe with 9)could easily get us another gun mid
Jagga is back
Walker next year we have now secured without having to do anything else
Walsh will hopefully be fit
Ben Campo coming through
Massive wraps on Ison
Moir looking to build in the middle

This on top of Cripps Hewett Lord & Cerra

Now supported by genuine outside run in Florent Cheser Wilson and more

Aleer was never an option
Ainsworth fills a need and was cheap

And we haven’t finished yet and haven’t blown money or picks on the quick fixes that have failed before

You can be as rational as you like, but some people are never going to acknowledge anything positive, no matter what happens. That can be seen by looking at the last few pages in this thread.

I think we had a very good trade period and, even more importantly, the off-field additions seem to be of real quality. I'm confident that we're heading in the right direction.

 

[Beyond Blue]

That's culture and leadership. Jack Silvagni is a player who wants to win at all costs. For him to jump ship confirms the club is in a massive hole and he couldn't see anything to indicate its changing anytime soon.

Interesting choice of clubs to go to if he’s driven by winning at all costs. I’d say he might driven by other factors, such as money.

 

[Soapy V]

Jack left for the money.

Period.

Let’s see how committed he is per game at 50% fit next year in the middle of winter.

Not originally. Deals with Pies & Dogs were same as ours. We actually upped our offer. Then Saints came in with ridiculous deal. Then I believe it became about money

 

[xDQ82x]

Jack left for the money.

Period.

Let’s see how committed he is per game at 50% fit next year in the middle of winter.

Jack left because he knew with HOF and then. Dean coming in his time was limited.

When HOF did his ACL he considered staying but by then he knew.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Not originally. Deals with Pies & Dogs were same as ours. We actually upped our offer. Then Saints came in with ridiculous deal. Then I believe it became about money

I heard Stephen Silvagni had never met Ross Lyon until 3 weeks ago on a double decker bus, where Ross played some Eddie Cochrane on his 5 string guitar, & was allowed to join his skiffle band.

Come on man.

 

[The Bighouse]

Cmon Opium, look at the whole picture

Charlie had to go. Culture and SC pressure and we effectively replaced him with 2 best 23 players and three first round picks. For a 29 year old

Pick 11 (maybe with 9)could easily get us another gun mid
Jagga is back
Walker next year we have now secured without having to do anything else
Walsh will hopefully be fit
Ben Campo coming through
Massive wraps on Ison
Moir looking to build in the middle

This on top of Cripps Hewett Lord & Cerra

Now supported by genuine outside run in Florent Cheser Wilson and more

Aleer was never an option
Ainsworth fills a need and was cheap

And we haven’t finished yet and haven’t blown money or picks on the quick fixes that have failed before

SC pressure was relieved with TDK @ slightly less with JSOS’s new budgeted salary.

CC’s deal was pretty good for us, unless the output was in the same vein as ‘25.

 

[The Bighouse]

Has anyone done a calculation on the total price GC paid for Petracca? It would be good to know for reference

I’ve done a quick break down and projection using ChatGPT and it works out to be equivalent of pick 1

MFC said the same themselves.

 

[Dramoth]

Tbh I'd love to see Elijah spend the year in the VFL for us if he's truly dedicated to making things right.

Get right in the head and show us a year of dedication and consistency and we'll have a look at you in 12 months time.

That is if nobody else wants to take him.

Move him to the rookie list.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Walker next year we have now secured without having to do anything else

Just on this... let's hope so...

The amateurs still haven't released anything concrete about what will be required to match bids next year.

Bloody joke really. Take us as a prime example, we've set ourselves up to spend 2 first round picks on him. That's more than fair...

But if they only allow two picks to match, remove discounts and the bid comes in at #1... we're still not matching unless we finish in the bottom 4... even then, we have to hope that one of the teams below us don't get another band 1 compo...

3000 points is a nightmare to make up for with 2 picks alone. You'd need pick 5 and 11...

Even with the discount, 2700 is still bloody tough... pick 6 + 13...

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Has anyone done a calculation on the total price GC paid for Petracca? It would be good to know for reference

I’ve done a quick break down and projection using ChatGPT and it works out to be equivalent of pick 1

Yeah because they don't care about burning picks so long as they can match their academy players...

7+8 were always going to be put toward paying for them anyway. It was essentially a free hit.

If Trac didn't choose GC, they might've been a contender for Charlie and we would've got the same I'd imagine.

 

[The Bighouse]

Just on this... let's hope so...

The amateurs still haven't released anything concrete about what will be required to match bids next year.

Bloody joke really. Take us as a prime example, we've set ourselves up to spend 2 first round picks on him. That's more than fair...

But if they only allow two picks to match, remove discounts and the bid comes in at #1... we're still not matching unless we finish in the bottom 4... even then, we have to hope that one of the teams below us don't get another band 1 compo...

3000 points is a nightmare to make up for with 2 picks alone. You'd need pick 5 and 11...

Even with the discount, 2700 is still bloody tough... pick 6 + 13...

Unbelievable really.

Take out band 1 compo however being until pick#11 as another mooted change.
Affects us on SW if he departs under FA (which would have to be matched).

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Unbelievable really.

Take out band 1 compo however being until pick#11 as another mooted change.
Affects us on SW if he departs under FA (which would have to be matched).

Not really... even if it is pick 11 onward... that would push our hypothetical 5 + 11 to 5 + 12... not enough to match...

Even if it pushes that hypothetical 6 + 13 required after discount... 13 becomes 14.. not enough.

 

[The Bighouse]

Not really... even if it is pick 11 onward... that would push our hypothetical 5 + 11 to 5 + 12... not enough to match...

Even if it pushes that hypothetical 6 + 13 required after discount... 13 becomes 14.. not enough.

Thought it was based on bottom 4..?

“But if they only allow two picks to match, remove discounts and the bid comes in at #1... we're still not matching unless we finish in the bottom 4... even then, we have to hope that one of the teams below us don't get another band 1 compo...”

They’d need to take out any compo picks from being counted in the points index

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Our biggest issue this year was utterly putrid outside run and ball use. We added 4 players who provide that and look likely to add 2-3 more in the draft.

What else were you expecting from us?

And attitude/ commitment/ professionalism. As far as anyone can tell. That's supposedly been heavily addressed too.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Our midfield is still the same core. No improvement from those trades.

The clubs stance was that we wanted an A grade player if we were to trade Charlie. A player with 4 years remaining on his contract and we traded him to the club of his choice. Why? Which A grader did we end up with?
Leek Aleer was gettable and would of slotted in perfectly with Weitering instead of using a future second on Ainsworth.
We couldn't even get Khamis deal over the line.
We traded away alot of future picks too. Next year we only have our first rounder and Sydney's first which highly likely will need to be used to match Cody Walker. Our next pick is 4th round.

Hayward is A grade at his role. Aleer is actually not a good footballer and makes up for it with athletic ability. And wants half the cap in pay.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Thought it was based on bottom 4..?

“But if they only allow two picks to match, remove discounts and the bid comes in at #1... we're still not matching unless we finish in the bottom 4... even then, we have to hope that one of the teams below us don't get another band 1 compo...”

They’d need to take out any compo picks from being counted in the points index

If we finish bottom 4, we're still reliant on Sydney finishing low enough to get us the pick we need.

That's why I've been saying the two picks only match is nonsense.