List Mgmt. 2025 List Management III 📃

[marcmurphy3]

I think that Goulden of the Swans is the winger that everyone dreams of but what Sidebottom does nearly every game is masterly.

So yeah GW needs to get that message to sign him up as a development coach asap after he finish playing.

Still remember when he kicked 10 from the midfield in the under 18 grand final. Incredible.

 

[teddy-hopkins]

dont know why Ollie gets the (negative) attention that he does tbh

young kid making a solid contribution

The negativity extends to where he's at with his kicking right now and the club having such a strong focus on it. He's still a good young player developing.

 

[The Bighouse]

Freo didn't want him to leave

Just like we didn’t want Tuohy to leave…?
Lowballed for a reason, and it’s a sign of the direction a club wants to take with a player. No hard feelings and thanks for the memories but we’ve got other priorities.

 

[The Bighouse]

Kicked the winning goal to get us to a preliminary. Got to be worth remembering.

But only just scraped it in (imagine if he bucked that one up). Different folklore..

 

[The Bighouse]

Sidebottom is not a fast player but rather a smart player, as a wing he holds his position well. Acres has that option, he is good overhead and if he is smarter than he can still contribute at the top level.

Hopefully each of our players learns their role / positioning so well that it is second nature.

SS is in the top echelon for kicks in the comp. Unfort BA is the opposite end of the tape.

Maybe needs to scale it back it on the kick difficulty (concentrate on the basics, and train it) with more offloading it by hand to runners with kicking nous.

 

[Benaly28]

TDK is a very good mark,tap ruck and has great ground ball skills however his disposal and kicking efficiency is horrendous.

 

[Chookaradley]

I really worry about our tall stocks, especially forward. The back up for Harry is thin to non existent. We have history of trying to turn ruckman into forwards. Pitto aint one, Reddy aint one, and i doubt Huddo is either.

Would like to have a developing tall forward at least in the Magoos.

 

[SurreyBlue]

I really worry about our tall stocks, especially forward. The back up for Harry is thin to non existent. We have history of trying to turn ruckman into forwards. Pitto aint one, Reddy aint one, and i doubt Huddo is either.

Would like to have a developing tall forward at least in the Magoos.

Yep. Hope we don’t regret not drafting Ludowyke.

 

[katmanblue]

Yep. Hope we don’t regret not drafting Ludowyke.

Done is done. We move on.

 

[The Return of the Paf]

Done is done. We move on.

Yes, onward to the next excuse.

 

[JJBagger]

Yep. Hope we don’t regret not drafting Ludowyke.

Such a pointless exercise

 

[katmanblue]

Yes, onward to the next excuse.

This is the way.

 

[JimmyRabbit49]

I really worry about our tall stocks, especially forward. The back up for Harry is thin to non existent. We have history of trying to turn ruckman into forwards. Pitto aint one, Reddy aint one, and i doubt Huddo is either.

Would like to have a developing tall forward at least in the Magoos.

"I really worry about our tall stocks" But isn't exciting to see Weitering is going to play SOO in Perth in February!!

I think we can cover a lack of tall forwards (especially if Harry stays fit) with players like Moir, Hayward & Kemp being mobile marking targets and smarter ball use. - the defensive end is a bit more of a concern IMO.

 

[Revenant1995]

"I really worry about our tall stocks" But isn't exciting to see Weitering is going to play SOO in Perth in February!!

I think we can cover a lack of tall forwards (especially if Harry stays fit) with players like Moir, Hayward & Kemp being mobile marking targets and smarter ball use. - the defensive end is a bit more of a concern IMO.

I am not so worried about the talls for 2026. For me, I see 2026 as something of a redevelopment year, just wanting to improve so we don't have those terrible drop-offs that were part of our past 2 seasons. For me, defence in 2026 will be built from Weitering down back, and leadership also from the likes of Newman and others, with H Dean playing a number of games, and remembering that HOF will be back (maybe for a few late games in 2026, depending how we're travelling). It'll be a bit makeshift in 2026, but still ok. I think club is taking a longer term view. I just want to see us truly competitive in every game. Having said that, whilst external messaging might not say it, I'm hoping we're still targeting finals, and looking to make an impact from there.

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

I really worry about our tall stocks, especially forward. The back up for Harry is thin to non existent. We have history of trying to turn ruckman into forwards. Pitto aint one, Reddy aint one, and i doubt Huddo is either.

Would like to have a developing tall forward at least in the Magoos.

2 would be ideal

 

[CJMB]

Freo didn’t let him go. He was borderline AA in last year there

So they didn't want him to go, hence they put an offer in front of him, but that offer was the wrong side of $200k which gives you an indication of how they rated him.

I'd wage his next offer with us, if he gets one, isn't dissimilar.

 

[JimmyRabbit49]

I am not so worried about the talls for 2026. For me, I see 2026 as something of a redevelopment year, just wanting to improve so we don't have those terrible drop-offs that were part of our past 2 seasons. For me, defence in 2026 will be built from Weitering down back, and leadership also from the likes of Newman and others, with H Dean playing a number of games, and remembering that HOF will be back (maybe for a few late games in 2026, depending how we're travelling). It'll be a bit makeshift in 2026, but still ok. I think club is taking a longer term view. I just want to see us truly competitive in every game. Having said that, whilst external messaging might not say it, I'm hoping we're still targeting finals, and looking to make an impact from there.

Honestly if we get a good run with injury i can't see why we should be targeting going deep into finals.

A fully fit Walsh, Cripps & Hewett with Lord & Smith is still a decent midfield - adding Newman and Florent coming off half back with another year into Cowan and Carroll makes us look a lot better rebounding while Hayward and Ainsworth plus another year into Moir & Motlop should see us look more dynamic up forward.

If we simply use the ball better it would go a long way as well

 

[CJMB]

Yep. Hope we don’t regret not drafting Ludowyke.

Could be wrong, but my memory is that typically when talls slide significantly, be it across the 18s year or on draft night, there's very few that go on to do anything at afl level.

 

[agro]

Could be wrong, but my memory is that typically when talls slide significantly, be it across the 18s year or on draft night, there's very few that go on to do anything at afl level.

Lemme think about that.

 

[dumb]

I really worry about our tall stocks, especially forward. The back up for Harry is thin to non existent. We have history of trying to turn ruckman into forwards. Pitto aint one, Reddy aint one, and i doubt Huddo is either.

Would like to have a developing tall forward at least in the Magoos.

i agree though i think you can build or flesh out a forward line with medium or 190-192cm types if you have to. obviously at least one central tall would be ideal. i was kind of surprised lemmey was let go but then again i've only read about him, watched only highlights.

defence though... you need to cover who they put on the park and we're extremely thin and a weitering corky away from gaping holes.

 

[goreds]

So, I was at GWS training center this morning, just catching up!, I was chatting about their preseason (extra running but less back end staff because of soft cap issues) and was asked how we were traveling. I mentioned I’d read that Walsh’s was flying and the direct response from (let’s call him recruiter A) was, ‘ geez, if he’s going that well it’s gonna cost 3 1sts instead of 2 and some change!’ I said, why you want him?? The response, a nice to have but others are right into him and have more to give. Me: surely he stays. Response: Too much money flying around at the moment not to get your head turned but GW want get sucked into a bidding war and will take the picks every day of the week…
Me: So it begins and it’s only December. Response: you’ll know by round 8!

Looks like it’s going to be another round of will he stay or will he go…

 

[RPCB]

So, I was at GWS training center this morning, just catching up!, I was chatting about their preseason (extra running but less back end staff because of soft cap issues) and was asked how we were traveling. I mentioned I’d read that Walsh’s was flying and the direct response from (let’s call him recruiter A) was, ‘ geez, if he’s going that well it’s gonna cost 3 1sts instead of 2 and some change!’ I said, why you want him?? The response, a nice to have but others are right into him and have more to give. Me: surely he stays. Response: Too much money flying around at the moment not to get your head turned but GW want get sucked into a bidding war and will take the picks every day of the week…
Me: So it begins and it’s only December. Response: you’ll know by round 8!

Looks like it’s going to be another round of will he stay or will he go…

Sam Walsh would be a massive loss.

Bringing in three first round picks for the 2026 draft (not spreading them out to 2027 and 2028) and five in total (ours and Sydney’s) would also be massive considering how good the draft sounds.

A huge decision to make for our club. One that I can’t see us losing either way.

 

[SurreyBlue]

Could be wrong, but my memory is that typically when talls slide significantly, be it across the 18s year or on draft night, there's very few that go on to do anything at afl level.

You’re wrong. Just a few off the top of my head. I’m sure there might be others.

Lackey #73 National
M Lewis #76 National
Mihocek - rookie draft
P Voss - preason draft
Amartey - rookie draft

 

[AndyLucimitis]

Sam Walsh would be a massive loss.

Bringing in three first round picks for the 2026 draft (not spreading them out to 2027 and 2028) and five in total (ours and Sydney’s) would also be massive considering how good the draft sounds.

A huge decision to make for our club. One that I can’t see us losing either way.

And Chris Davies didn’t exactly exclude confidence on re-signing Walsh in his Q&A on the club website.

 

[Dramoth]

Combination of the coach and the available players. Even if Voss didn't want us going to Curnow and McKay and bombing it all the time, he didn't have an option because the other forwards don't have an overhead game. Not many options you could kick to last season, on the flip side, it's the coach who guides the recruiters and if he is not demanding that the smaller forwards must have an overhead game, he's not likely to get it and that is what has happened.

The direction Voss has given to list management has been garbage. They have recruited too many slow players, poor kicks and forwards with no overhead game because the coach has not been demanding the right things. Wright has come in and all of a sudden our list management team seem to have better direction and are recruiting players with better traits.

Carlton at their best had Curnow, McKay AND Martin and Silvagni forward. More targets, better connection and ball movement from stronger and smarter aerial targets.

It's on Voss and list management that we don't have that. We are easy to coach against because Curnow and McKay have marked the spot where the ball will go and the opposition team get numbers to that spot. Easy.

McKay, O'Keeffe, Moir, Kemp, Hayward, Ainsworth and Byrne excites the hell out of me. It's turned things on its head for us. It means that tactically we actually have the capabilities to change how we have been moving the ball.

You get Chesser, Florent and Smith in the side running with the ball and kicking accurately with our increase in options. This is why my expectations are so high next year. I expect players like Saad to also be freed up by our incoming talent.

Coaching Carlton has always been about get numbers to Curnow and Mckay because they are the only forward targets. Block Walsh because he is the only quick mid who is hard to put pressure on and can carry the ball. Lack Saad down because he's the only damaging run and carry half back. Add more talent to these areas and we will be harder to coach against.

Kemp is the forward who really excites me. He has an aerial game that is probably as good as Charlie. And unlike Charlie, if the ball comes to ground, he is still in the hunt for the ball. He's athletic and fast. He'll provide the perfect foil to Harry in our forward line.

Harry is going to love the new entry instructions because they will play to his strengths. He can lead to the ball carrier or he can offer a long diagonal lead that allows the ball carrier to kick it in front of him. We just need him to get Levi's mindset of "if someone drops into your leading lane, go through them".