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Scandal Tom Silvagni convicted of rape

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WillHayward said:
No but they do use sentencing guidelines. So it should be reasonably predictable because there is supposed to be consistency (obviously no two cases are the same).

But I feel 5-7 is on the cards given the judge will likely say the crime involved deception, premeditation and lack of contrition. That makes the sentence likely to be pretty solid.
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Yeah I know there are guidelines. Was just how the poster worded their comment.
 
thumbs_up said:
I agree. I suspect he's very good at it too. So convincing that his girlfriend is still with him.

He picked the wrong victim this time. Hasn't really been mentioned on here yet but the victim showed a lot of courage and tenacity to pursue this, leading to a rare rape conviction given the circumstances of the offence.

It would have been so easy for her to doubt her own version of events, not pursue charges. But she didn't, she held him accountable for his actions.
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She’s a very brave woman. I’m hoping that because women like her and Gisele Pelicot have so tenaciously stood their ground on very high profile cases, more women will feel like they can report assaults and rapes in the future. As Pelicot said so eloquently, “the shame must switch sides”.
 
freemo said:
The manner in which TS is described to have committed the act and then attempted to lie his way out of trouble demonstrate a self-confidence in his ability to deceive, persuade, manipulate and convince others; a self-confidence likely acquired from previous success following lesser offences.
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Dude has prior history as a youth offender.
 
The Old Dark Navy's said:
I know lie detectors are inadmissible, but I'd love for more victims to take them, and for the public to put pressure on the accused to also take one.

Society really is ****ed.
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they are not accurate and can be gamed, which is why they aren't used
 

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LordLucifer said:
My mail is 6-8 years.
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It isn't out of the equation but I think he will get a longer parole sentence than usual so he gets out earlier, so say 5 years with an 18 month non parole. I do read a lot of sentencing remarks, probably more than I should and i can see him getting leniency that way.

From what I have read of the case, I'd be OK with him getting a longer sentence but I reckon they will backdoor it with a shorter non parole time unfortunately.
 
spenze said:
It isn't out of the equation but I think he will get a longer parole sentence than usual so he gets out earlier, so say 5 years with an 18 month non parole. I do read a lot of sentencing remarks, probably more than I should and i can see him getting leniency that way.

From what I have read of the case, I'd be OK with him getting a longer sentence but I reckon they will backdoor it with a shorter non parole time unfortunately.
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This makes a fair bit of sense.
 
Pinnell said:
Interesting that silvagnis girlfriend has absolutely stood by him since the rape event. And the victim is reported to be a friend of hers. He has certainly convinced her of his innocence.
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I wonder if there was a bit of swinging going on that night and Tom took it too far.
 

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Saucery said:
Why on earth would you want to see lie detector tests? They are inadmissible because they have the scientific reliability of psychics. They are not predictive but explanative based upon the assessor's biases, if they were admissible in court, it's like saying astronomy and astrology have the same credibility.
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I already said I know they were inadmissible. The opinions on how accurate they are vary greatly. A lot of countermeasures can be detected. I feel like the odds of the guilty appearing honest, and the victim appearing dishonest is fairly low.

If I was a victim of anything, or accused of something, I'd take one just to quell public opinion.
 
phantom13 said:
In addition the defense is already pushing the good family, good home, good rehabilitation prospects.

They’ll be pushing for some sort of non custodial sentence and frankly it wouldn’t shock me if it went that way.

Judges seem to think that any sort of circumstance is ground for lenient sentencing now. Good home, good rehabilitation prospects, no jail time, bad home and upbringing, never stood a chance, no jail time.

I hope I’m wrong.
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He will receive a custodial sentence. The judge remanded him in custody after the guilty verdict, basically confirming he is getting jail time.

Personal circumstances of the offender matters in all cases when it comes to sentencing, some circumstances call for more lenience in sentencing while other circumstances demand harsher sentencing. (i.e., as a simplistic example, take 2 people committing an identical crime. The first, a first time offender and the second, a recidivist offender who has prior convictions for the same crime. The recidivist should receive a harsher punishment than the first time offender.

It will be a cold day in hell when someone avoids jail after being convicted of rape at trial because they have a "good family". Rest assured of that.
 
WillHayward said:
Yes. To see how they respond under pressure.
Not to test their truthfulness.
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No, they use them routinely to quiz staff about various things. As I posted, every US employee at Pine Gap has yearly polygraph. I don’t think you know what you’re talking about and are just bumbling along as you go. But play on.
 
spenze said:
It isn't out of the equation but I think he will get a longer parole sentence than usual so he gets out earlier, so say 5 years with an 18 month non parole. I do read a lot of sentencing remarks, probably more than I should and i can see him getting leniency that way.

From what I have read of the case, I'd be OK with him getting a longer sentence but I reckon they will backdoor it with a shorter non parole time unfortunately.
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The podcast posted on the page before made it sound like it the sentence won't be more than 5 years.
 

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Munich said:
I've seen that on Twitter repeatedly but then others have said he finished yr 12 and wasn't expelled so :shrug:

Have also seen someone saying brother Ben is reposting quotes on Tiktok about "women lie about rape to oppress men". I'm not on that cesspit of an app to check it out.
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Yeah I’ve seen that same screenshot all over Twitter and tik tok but I don’t think it’s accurate.

Tom played for the Old Xaverians team in 2021 in the Holmesglen U19 Men’s Premiership (https://www.playhq.com/public/profile/07f8985f-6e57-4756-84c7-a68499d3fe63/statistics), and if he had been expelled from Xavier for such a serious crime etc, I don’t think he would have been allowed to play for Old Xaverians? (I’m sure somebody else will have more knowledge re:eligibility to play for them etc but surely not?) and the two cases being mentioned from 2016 and 2019 the ages don’t line up properly.


Definitely not in any way defending any of the Silvagni family or doubting that Tom has preyed on women previously (seems incredibly likely to me!), but just that the info in that specific screenshot does not seem to be accurate.
 
edie said:
Yeah I’ve seen that same screenshot all over Twitter and tik tok but I don’t think it’s accurate.

Tom played for the Old Xaverians team in 2021 in the Holmesglen U19 Men’s Premiership (https://www.playhq.com/public/profile/07f8985f-6e57-4756-84c7-a68499d3fe63/statistics), and if he had been expelled from Xavier for such a serious crime etc, I don’t think he would have been allowed to play for Old Xaverians? (I’m sure somebody else will have more knowledge re:eligibility to play for them etc but surely not?) and the two cases being mentioned from 2016 and 2019 the ages don’t line up properly.


Definitely not in any way defending any of the Silvagni family or doubting that Tom has preyed on women previously (seems incredibly likely to me!), but just that the info in that specific screenshot does not seem to be accurate.
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Given you don’t have to have been a Xavs alumni to play at Old Xavs at all I’m not sure that it would have any bearing.

I guess they may have made a decision not to register him (or de register if he’d played there previously) but personally I’d doubt it.

None of this means he did or didn’t do anything just that I don’t think him playing for the old boys club means anything
 
phantom13 said:
Given you don’t have to have been a Xavs alumni to play at Old Xavs at all I’m not sure that it would have any bearing.
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Oop, well thank you for very quickly taking that theory down lol, didn’t even occur to me that you could/would play for Old Xavs if not an alumni!
 
Pinnell said:
Interesting that silvagnis girlfriend has absolutely stood by him since the rape event. And the victim is reported to be a friend of hers. He has certainly convinced her of his innocence.
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The entitlement and mindset BEFORE the act is almost beyond comprehension.

Putting aside the emotional and moral aspects of just not raping someone the “risk assessment” alone (and it’s a horrible term for what we’re discussion but I’m trying to break down components of his choices) should have been enough to deter someone (noting he clearly has no morals about it).

He’s attacking a woman, who has a partner that she’s JUST been intimate with, alone in his house, whilst his girlfriend is also there.

Even if she had consented he’s cheating on his girlfriend WITH his friends partner and is likely to face some repurcussions about that choice.

Every single layer of the choices he made before (and it’s only worse after) the act scream a person who doesn’t give a single **** about the consequences of his choices because he’ll get away with it.

Additionally whilst I do have a degree of sympathy for Jo and Steve (because I couldn’t imagine or say with any certainty how I would behave if one of my kids did what Tom did) their behaviour after the trial indicates they haven’t ever given him consequences to his choices and actions in the past.
 
edie said:
Oop, well thank you for very quickly taking that theory down lol, didn’t even occur to me that you could/would play for Old Xavs if not an alumni!
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Old boys footy clubs are a very ****ing weird place. Part networking/business liaison club (mostly of highly entitled and privileged men) part ongoing cultural influencer or those same men.

Why anyone not from those school ties would want to be involved in them is beyond me (it’s money and the circle jerking).
 
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