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Religion Bondi shooting - 16 confirmed dead at Jewish event

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Achy Blakey Heart said:
Perhaps a little. But it would have done nothing to stop the radicalization in the first place....that is where the heart of the problem is.
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There's certainly a lot of issues with radicalisation happening at the moment. We've seen shootings in Wieambilla and Porepunkah in the last couple of years due to online radicalisation as well.
 
Bloods86 said:
What do you mean by "Islam is bad"?

Why should anyone make such a blanket, unhelpful and untrue statement? In so far as Islam, like other religions, has beneficial elements.
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I wonder if he was as concerned about people saying 'Christianity is bad' when radicalised Christians shot two police.
 
ElectricG said:
I am. You can’t just fall back to the definition that suits the situation for you. Which parties criticise Islam? The left or the right ones? Which condemn Israel? Is it young lefties or Young Liberals who walk around with those Muslim neck tie things?
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Young liberals currently march around with flags and preach White Pride
 

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ElectricG said:
I am. You can’t just fall back to the definition that suits the situation for you. Which parties criticise Islam? The left or the right ones? Which condemn Israel? Is it young lefties or Young Liberals who walk around with those Muslim neck tie things?
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Dude, you really don't know what you are talking about. That's not how you determine what is left or right wing. The definition is based on the political views themselves, not who you reckon supports them.
 
Bloods86 said:
What do you mean by "Islam is bad"?

Why should anyone make such a blanket, unhelpful and untrue statement? In so far as Islam, like other religions, has beneficial elements.
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The right would say that, but people here are actually trying to argue that Islamic extremism is right wing lol
 
Geelong_Sicko said:
Right wing ideology often works by exclusions, that the world must revolve around IN groups and OUT groups. Lefties are by their ideological nature collective inclusionists.

Religious fundamentalists are by their very nature right wing. You are either a believer exactly as they are or you are damned. Or an infidel.

Both Left and Right can skew into authoritarianism at the extremes but they take different roads to get there.
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Maybe I've been wrong my whole life and the bible belt religious extremists living in the US are all actually left wing tree huggers.

I can't work out why they keep voting for "drill baby drill" orange man.
 
Dogs_R_Us said:
A group of pro Palestinian protesters moved on by police at Bondi.
WTF? This is the level of derangement out there.
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FFS, there is a time and place for everything but not now. Clearly no compassion to what happened yesterday. They all should be deported immediately.
 
ElectricG said:
The right would say that, but people here are actually trying to argue that Islamic extremism is right wing lol
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Islamic extremism has more in common with Maga than Scandinavia, don’t you think?
 
ElectricG said:
I mean say that Islam is bad. Who does it? The right or the left?
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Well that's a weird one, because the right tends to be more in favour of the freedom to religiously indoctrinate, but they also tend to be much more critical of one particular religion, Islam.
 
nut said:
Just to be clear, We all know the CIA funded ISIS and Israel funded Hamas right? … and that’s not open to be debated… it’s fact.
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My understanding on this forum is that this sort of declaration needs to include links to sources.
 
Fire said:
Dude, you really don't know what you are talking about. That's not how you determine what is left or right wing. The definition is based on the political views themselves, not who you reckon supports them.
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Get out of it. “Conservatives” supposedly support the notion that good things are hard won and easily taken away, but they will absolutely lay waste to our natural environment if it makes them a buck. They support “family values” but would happily have you working two jobs to get by and spending zero time with your children. You can get stuck on historical or notional definitions (I.e., semantics) or use these terms as per reality and the actual state of play in today’s age.
 

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Dogs_R_Us said:
They want to be safe from attack, which comes from all sides. Seven fronts. What would you do?
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No one is critical of Israel’s right to have a military or reasonably defend itself.

Israel uses its military to murder Palestinian olive farmers and destroy their crops / prevent access to them.

Are the olive farmers in the room with us right now? Every olive tree sits on top of missile silos, I’m sure.
 
ElectricG said:
Get out of it. “Conservatives” supposedly support the notion that good things are hard won and easily taken away, but they will absolutely lay waste to our natural environment if it makes them a buck. They support “family values” but would happily have you working two jobs to get by and spending zero time with your children. You can get stuck on historical or notional definitions (I.e., semantics) or use these terms as per reality and the actual state of play in today’s age.
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...what? This is totally incoherent to the context of the discussion. You are coming across as legitimately deranged.
 
ElectricG said:
The right would say that, but people here are actually trying to argue that Islamic extremism is right wing lol
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I'm sure some on the right in Australia would say such simplistic things.

You're trying to argue Islamic terrorism is left wing and somehow aligned with left wing progressivism. "Argue" is a stretch though, you seem to have been reacting to someone else and now are stuck repeating the vague claim without justification.
 
Fire said:
...what? This is totally incoherent to the context of the discussion. You are coming across as legitimately deranged.
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Uses terms 'left' and 'right' wing without any apparent understanding of what they mean.

Calls understanding what they mean semantics.

Glorious stuff.
 

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TasSixer said:
Israel have some blame in this, what they've done in Gaza has contributed to the hatred Jewish people have gotten. These people in Sydney that were attacked have nothing to with what Israel have done and their only tie to it is they're religion/ethnicity and these evil people that did this yesterday are so radicalized in their beliefs they're too stupid to realize this. Religion is a stain on society and I hate the term Islamaphobia. Phobia is an irrational fear. Is it irrational to have a fear of dying? There are average people in all religions that aren't extremists and I'm not afraid of people in general. I'm afraid of how far some take their beliefs as if any of the bullshit books are true.

I'll probably get some hate for this.
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An article I read some months ago, I can’t recall where, said there is a large proportion of the Jewish community worldwide who place significant blame on the Israeli Government. That the governments actions in massacring and destroying the Palestinians has created safety issues for Jewish people around the world.

There is now this perverse worldview spread by the Israeli government that if you don’t agree with them or are critical of them then you’re antisemetic. It’s truly sick stuff.
 
Elixuh said:
An article I read some months ago, I can’t recall where, said there is a large proportion of the Jewish community worldwide who place significant blame on the Israeli Government. That the governments actions in massacring and destroying the Palestinians has created safety issues for Jewish people around the world.

There is now this perverse worldview spread by the Israeli government that if you don’t agree with them or are critical of them then you’re antisemetic. It’s truly sick stuff.
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The Netanyahu regime (and others before it) have long used 'antisemitism' as a shield against criticism. It's only the last couple of years when long-term occupation became genocide that it's stopped working so well in the western world.
 
Bloods86 said:
I'm sure some on the right in Australia would say such simplistic things.

You're trying to argue Islamic terrorism is left wing and somehow aligned with left wing progressivism. "Argue" is a stretch though, you seem to have been reacting to someone else and now are stuck repeating the vague claim without justification.
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I’ve provided justification. The right like to sound the alarm about Islamic extremism and Islam more broadly. The left would rather promote Islam, downplay the threat, or at the very least insist on tolerance. You can’t just pretend that the topic of Islam hasn’t bifurcated along these political lines.

I know the Christchurch shooter is right wing without knowing how he feels about public healthcare, collectivism, unions, and so on. People are just getting their back up because they are uncomfortable having “the left” associated with something bad.

faible said:
Uses terms 'left' and 'right' wing without any apparent understanding of what they mean.

Calls understanding what they mean semantics.

Glorious stuff.
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Nah, you just don’t like it.
 

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