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Dogs_R_Us said:
Islamism is a range of religious and political ideological movements that believe that Islam should influence political systems.

Islamists are the extremists of Islam, but do not encompass all Muslims, obviously.
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Yet you would happily see all Muslims exterminated to punish the actions of the extreme minority. Go figure.
 
Bostonian said:
And there's the problem. It's like a cult.
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I hate to break it to you, however the idea that faith and identity are intertwined is neither a new concept or a concept that is bound to a specific religion. Spirituality is an inherently human trait. And demanding that some two billion people desert their faith on basis that actors of that same faith committed an atrocity is simply laughable.

This before we even start to address the motivations for their actions. I suggest you haven’t been able to elevate yourself above the finger pointing that has punctuated this sad state of affairs as long as I can remember. You could do a lot worse than take a leaf out of Antony Loewenstein’s book.
The Blue Max said:
You may not have intended it, but the weight of your narrative reads like you believe the police are risk averse.
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My belief is well founded if the findings of the Lindt cafe siege are to be used to inform. My only presumption is that police cadets are trained to deal with situations such as what unfolded on the weekend. Perhaps you can shed some light on that?
 
parsons nose said:
I hate to break it to you, however the idea that faith and identity are intertwined is neither a new concept or a concept that is bound to a specific religion. Spirituality is an inherently human trait. And demanding that some two billion people desert their faith on basis that actors of that same faith committed an atrocity is simply laughable.
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That people don't is very telling.

Because we know it can. It happened to the Catholic Church when they were exposed.

But yeah, some old concept that that belongs in times when people didn't know any better, that there's nothing in the sky directing the circus isn't something I give any credence to.

In the same sphere as the dupes who buy Crystals claiming they have healing properties.

parsons nose said:
This before we even start to address the motivations for their actions. I suggest you haven’t been able to elevate yourself above the finger pointing that has punctuated this sad state of affairs as long as I can remember. You could do a lot worse than take a leaf out of Antony Loewenstein’s book.
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You're talking to me like I need to reflect, I'm not the one that needs to be reflecting here.

What's sad is this kind of garbage keeps happening time and time again around the world and every time it does it's always someone else who is supposed to reflect on why.

I elevated long ago. When I stepped away from all religion and realised it's a load of ****ing shit.
 

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Bostonian said:
How's that for a genocide?
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About 10,000 Christians in idlib was the pre-war estimate

Otoh there's like what, 100,000 dead Palestinians since October 7th 2023? And how many before that.

So yeah I dunno how similar these two situations are tbh. Gaza been occupied for literal generations.
 
Toump Ass said:
About 10,000 Christians in idlib was the pre-war estimate

Otoh there's like what, 100,000 dead Palestinians since October 7th 2023? And how many before that.

So yeah I dunno how similar these two situations are tbh. Gaza been occupied for literal generations.
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"In an impassioned address in London, the Rt Rev Bashar Warda said Iraq's Christians now faced extinction after 1,400 years of persecution.

Since the US-led invasion toppled the regime of Saddam Hussein in 2003, he said, the Christian community had dwindled by 83%, from around 1.5 million to just 250,000.

"Christianity in Iraq," he said, "one of the oldest Churches, if not the oldest Church in the world, is perilously close to extinction. Those of us who remain must be ready to face martyrdom."


Fair sized genocide there wouldn't you say?
 
Bostonian said:
That's because I see them as a far bigger threat to our nation's security.

The massacre proves that view correct.
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No it doesn't. One of your ideological partners killed 51 people because of the shit you are spewing. One of your ideological partners committed the worst act of mass murder ever by an Australian. That's the dangerous rhetoric you are spreading. Just because you and your ideological partners exported it to another country, doesn't stop it being a danger to our nation.

You talked about how people should be walking away from Islam. But you are part of the ideology responsible for Brenton Tarrant. When are you going to own up to that like you demand every Muslim take the blame for everything? When are you going to walk away from your disgusting Islamophobic rhetoric?
 
Bostonian said:
Sure.

I just checked, Jewish people in Australia are clean as a whistle.

None cited as committing acts of terrorism or anything close to it in this country.
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Bostonian said:
Kind of like all the racist anti-Semites on here claiming they are anti Israeli not anti-Jews.
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Jameggins said:
No it doesn't. One of your ideological partners killed 51 people because of the shit you are spewing. One of your ideological partners committed the worst act of mass murder ever by an Australian. That's the dangerous rhetoric you are spreading. Just because you and your ideological partners exported it to another country, doesn't stop it being a danger to our nation.

You talked about how people should be walking away from Islam. But you are part of the ideology responsible for Brenton Tarrant. When are you going to own up to that like you demand every Muslim take the blame for everything? When are you going to walk away from your disgusting Islamophobic rhetoric?
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I don't have an "ideological partners" you weirdo.

You just spewed the biggest pile of shit in this thread. What an unhinged loon you are lol
 
Brad Goodman said:
Is it strange I want him to survive? Kinda feel like they went into this expecting to perish.
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Yeh i reckon they did too. But honestly I kinda don't want him to wake up.
 
Bostonian said:
I don't have an "ideological partners" you weirdo.

You just spewed the biggest pile of shit in this thread. What an unhinged loon you are lol
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Unsurprisingly you can't own up to your own part in the worse mass murder by an Australian, but you demand all Muslims to take responsibility for every bit of violence committed by any Muslim.

Why do you think that political ideology is different to religious ideology? Why do you think your hatred of Muslims for political reasons is different to hating someone for religious reasons? Why can you separate yourself from Brenton Tarrant when you share an ideology with him, but every single Muslim on the planet has to apologise for this attack?

You're a hypocrite. You and the rest of the far right are just as responsible for Brenton Tarrant as the 2 billion Muslims around the world are responsible for this attack. The only difference is you demonise 2 billion people in one and absolve the far right of any blame in the other.
 

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Jameggins said:
Unsurprisingly you can't own up to your own part in the worse mass murder by an Australian, but you demand all Muslims to take responsibility for every bit of violence committed by any Muslim.
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You truly are mentally disturbed.


Jameggins said:
Why do you think that political ideology is different to religious ideology? Why do you think your hatred of Muslims for political reasons is different to hating someone for religious reasons? Why can you separate yourself from Brenton Tarrant when you share an ideology with him, but every single Muslim on the planet has to apologise for this attack?

You're a hypocrite. You and the rest of the far right are just as responsible for Brenton Tarrant as the 2 billion Muslims around the world are responsible for this attack. The only difference is you demonise 2 billion people in one and absolve the far right of any blame in the other.
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They aren't any different. That's why I don't give two poops about ideologies. Only gullible idiots swallow that bullshit up.

I share no ideologies with Tarrant just to help you out. I grew up with Lebanese mates which messes up your gimp theories lol

Far right? hahahahahahaha

You silly sausage.

It's hilarious you think I share anything in common with those cos-play clowns that stand around in black thinking they are the second coming of a guy with a shit moustache.

The are comical clowns, kinda like you ;)
 
parsons nose said:
I hate to break it to you, however the idea that faith and identity are intertwined is neither a new concept or a concept that is bound to a specific religion. Spirituality is an inherently human trait. And demanding that some two billion people desert their faith on basis that actors of that same faith committed an atrocity is simply laughable.
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This before we even start to address the motivations for their actions. I suggest you haven’t been able to elevate yourself above the finger pointing that has punctuated this sad state of affairs as long as I can remember. You could do a lot worse than take a leaf out of Antony Loewenstein’s book.

My belief is well founded if the findings of the Lindt cafe siege are to be used to inform. My only presumption is that police cadets are trained to deal with situations such as what unfolded on the weekend. Perhaps you can shed some light on that?
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The only information I can provide is as a party to CT briefings.

1- 1st responders are not required or advised to confront hostage, siege or mass acts of violence.

Basic instructions are to:

- Contain and monitor the situation.

- Prevent the shooters from leaving the immediate area.

There may be an occasion where there is no alternative but to use lethal force - but this is not shooting into a complicated moving theatre where a stray shot could cause an innocent casualty.

2- Divisional Police are not trained or equipped to deal with hostiles who may outnumber, out gun or simply be more mobile. Hence point 1.

3 - I would be surprised if there was a copper in Australia that could hit a moving target with a Glock at 50 metres - not to mention at that distance you can catch the round in your hat.

So to get close enough to be effective, you’d have to be within 20 metres - a suicide mission unless you have the element of surprise.

So was she cowering? Unlikely

More likely instructed to take up a position and contain the offenders - if they didn’t get her first.

From what I understand the event was terminated by police snipers - an example of having the right tools for the job.

FYI, comparing Market Place to this is chalk and cheese - different scenario completely - a siege with a motivated and committed actor - (as opposed to a ‘field shoot’) - highly unlikely to end happily.
 
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Someone, who I have on ignore, is spewing rampant hate in this thread and doing classic dog whistling.
Best put them on ignore folks, so their hate speech goes into a black hole where it belongs.
 
Bostonian said:
That people don't is very telling.

Because we know it can. It happened to the Catholic Church when they were exposed.

But yeah, some old concept that that belongs in times when people didn't know any better, that there's nothing in the sky directing the circus isn't something I give any credence to.

In the same sphere as the dupes who buy Crystals claiming they have healing properties.



You're talking to me like I need to reflect, I'm not the one that needs to be reflecting here.

What's sad is this kind of garbage keeps happening time and time again around the world and every time it does it's always someone else who is supposed to reflect on why.

I elevated long ago. When I stepped away from all religion and realised it's a load of ****ing shit.
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It’s a business in which some make money. It always has been business btw. The high priest in Jerusalem was not selected like the pope. It was bought and sold to earn an income for the high priest. One high priest would sell it to the next.

Julius Caesar was the pope before Christianity. It generated income, Pontifex Maximus was the chief priest in pagan Rome. It literally translates to pope. The title continues to this very day.

Look at the now deceased pope Francis estate. A pretty good earner for someone who was born poor and claimed to live a simple life.
 
Leon Higgins said:
It’s a business in which some make money. It always has been business btw. The high priest in Jerusalem was not selected like the pope. It was bought and sold to earn an income for the high priest. One high priest would sell it to the next.

Julius Caesar was the pope before Christianity. It generated income, Pontifex Maximus was the chief priest in pagan Rome. It literally translates to pope. The title continues to this very day.

Look at the now deceased pope Francis estate. A pretty good earner for someone who was born poor and claimed to live a simple life.
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No doubt where the grifter Evangelicals got the scam ideas from.
 

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2 3 police were in the park at the event when it started on Sunday.

How many should there have been and armed with what to have made a material difference?

More police with just hand guns might have just resulted in more dead and injured police.

‘Chris Minns says only two police officers at event when shooting began’​

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NSW Premier Chris Minns has been forced to clarify there were three police officers on site when the terror attack unfolded at Chanukah by the Sea, after earlier suggesting only two officers were there when the shooting started.

“My understanding is NSW Police worked closely with CSG noting that there were a number of Chanukah events including events in Bondi, North Bondi and Dover Heights,‘’ ...

In a statement clarifying his remarks issued at 8:30pm on Tuesday, Mr Minns also revealed there were another 20 armed police across Bondi who rushed to the scene. ....“My understanding is NSW Police worked closely with CSG noting that there were a number of Chanukah events including events in Bondi, North Bondi and Dover Heights,‘’ he told news.com.au.
 
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BFew said:
2 police were in the park at the event when it started on Sunday.

How many should there have been and armed with what to have made a material difference?

More police with just hand guns might have just resulted in more dead and injured police.

‘Chris Minns says only two police officers at event when shooting began’​

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I would have thought a group of four at a minimum.

More officers allow for them to cover more angles and have more support when required in a shorter time regardless of what kind of incident it is.
 
BFew said:
2 police were in the park at the event when it started on Sunday.

How many should there have been and armed with what to have made a material difference?

More police with just hand guns might have just resulted in more dead and injured police.

‘Chris Minns says only two police officers at event when shooting began’​

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VERY good point.

Most European, British and other countries CT response groups are DEPLOYED in situations like this.

Yes, it’s scary having an MP5 or an HK417 being paraded down the street - but I regret we have to grow up.
 
The Blue Max said:
VERY good point.

Most European, British and other countries CT response groups are DEPLOYED in situations like this.

Yes, it’s scary having an MP5 or an HK417 being paraded down the street - but I regret we have to grow up.
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We have the TOU units, they are trained to deal with active shooters.

Deploying them to an area in a big City probably isn't something that can happen in short time.
 
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