Religion Bondi shooting - 16 confirmed dead at Jewish event

[Sphynx]

Minns and ALP NSW telegraphing in that press conference they are going to ban all mass protests (for the immediate future..)

 

[Saint]

So appoint another Special Envoy - someone who will tell them exactly what they want to hear- be it definitions or specific actions.

What a laughable suggestion.

The Special Envoy was appointed as an independent expert to 'engage with Jewish Australians, the wider Australian community and all levels of government on the most effective way to combat the growing problem of antisemitism.'

This does not mean that all her advice would be accepted and acted on without government consideration. Especially as many aspect of her report have not received support from major Jewish organisations - including the Jewish Council of Australia. Indeed given the Federal Government has a responsibility to the welfare, justice and safety of ALL Australians it is not surprising that some aspects of the Segal report were not accepted on face value - particularly those which in the minds of many Human Rights lawyers, conflict with Australian recognised principles of political freedoms and justice. For example:

Antisemitism plan fails on a number of fronts – a contentious definition of hate is just the start

www.humanrights.unsw.edu.au

It is to the credit of the Albanese Government that they did not sack Segal because her report included recommendations that they did not agree with. Segal's Report was tabled just five months ago and many of the recommendations HAVE been acted on by the Government - including criminalising hate speech, creating a national student ombudsman to investigate universities, and developing a university report card to promote inclusivity for Jewish students and staff.

Yes, Albanese and his Government deserves criticism on the failure to act immediately in implementing the other recommendations of the Report they DO agree with.

But the partisan screeching that not enacting ALL recommendations of a Report that was one year in development and finalised just a few months ago has somehow contributed to the massacre of innocent people by a murderous zealot and his father does not stack up to any fair scrutiny.

But she wasn't independent and she didn't prioritise Australian Jews. She prioritised Israel while her family gave money to the actual racists over at Advance Australia.
I'm surprised she didn't resign in shame when she handed down a report about racism after being exposed as a family which supports racism.

 

[Sphynx]

The Envoy did not have to adopt the world's stupidest definition of anti-semitism, she chose to. And it undermines everything else she did. Because she prioritised Israel over Australian Jews.

If that stupid definition were applied in Australia, then criticism of Indigenous bodies would be considered racism. Or even criticism of the Australian Government.

Again, for the 1,000th time, I ask. Which of her recommendations would have changed anything? Many of them, including that definition being adopted, would have only created more division. We would create one country in the world that we can't criticise because it's racist? Just stupid no matter which way you look at it.

The definition of intimidating protest activity would have no doubt included criticism of Israel being again tied to anti-semitism. That was her whole focus and it will fall flat in time, just like it did when it was first released (and rightly ridiculed).

Maybe the government should have vetted and selected their very own envoy better then?

There's not much to worry about within her recommendation if you protest peacefully.

The subject mater becomes irrelevant if you simply don't turn violent.

 

[Saint]

Minns and ALP NSW telegraphing in that press conference they are going to ban all mass protests (for the immediate future..)

I think that's sensible for at least a month or two.

 

[Saint]

Maybe the government should have vetted and selected their very own envoy better then?

There's not much to worry about within her recommendation if you protest peacefully.

All of the pro-Palestine marches have been incredibly peaceful. I'm sure there are one or two people out of the million or so who have attended them who haven't been.

Hasn't stopped them being declared anti-semitic and intimidatory.

Then it turned out the Envoy did nothing about actual Nazi marches, because her priority is protecting Israel from criticism, not Australian Jews from anti-semitism.

 

[Scotland]

99% of pro Palestine protesters have not targeted Jewish people. Jewish people have been at the forefront of the pro Palestine movement (Antony Loewenstein). You found a couple of IS flags amongst 250,000 protesters. Which was wrong and the organisers condemned them

What percentage of gun owners have committed mass shootings? They've been the first group (to be) punished since Sunday's tragedy. Not sure a farmer in the WA wheatbelt really has anything to do with a shooting in Sydney. After all, it was just two individuals wasn't it? So if one is dead and another in hospital and under armed guard is there really any need to do anything?

If you found one Nazi flag among however many people attended a "reclaim Australia" or whatever it's called rally everyone in attendance would be called a racist, Nazi, white supremacist - the lot. So why the double standard? You go to a rally where people chant "F the Jews" and similar and you still choose to be there - you're part of it.

If you’d actually listened to the pro Palestine movement they hate Albo. They think he’s been far too weak and slow to condemn the Israeli government.

If I listened to them I would be as dumb as they are. Pass. As I said, Albo is a weak leader. "Pro Palestine" people hate him because he's not tough on Israel. The Israeli PM doesn't respect him because he's not tough on antisemitism. He's got a foot in each camp.

What did that have to do with the attack?

Nothing. It was a completely random attack by two individuals. Jews being targeted just came out of nowhere. Islamic terrorist attack was a complete surprise.

 

[TheSausageDog]

Two Dickheads out of 27million...

How is that a reflection of what Australia has become?

social media bait, Fear mongering, nonsense.

This!

If we brush this atrocity off as just some 'dickheads' than I just don't like to think what this country would become in thirty years' time. I suspect you wouldn't be so dismissive of this atrocity if another demographic committed this crime against humanity. Just a couple of 'dickheads'. SMH

 

[ElectricG]

Somehow I don't think ISIS are registered for GST, or even sending tax invoices to Netanyahu.

It’s a conspiracy theory

 

[Cookie]

I think that's sensible for at least a month or two.

Great time then for Trump to accept Albanese's invitation.

 

[Sphynx]

All of the pro-Palestine marches have been incredibly peaceful. I'm sure there are one or two people out of the million or so who have attended them who haven't been.

Hasn't stopped them being declared anti-semitic and intimidatory.

Then it turned out the Envoy did nothing about actual Nazi marches, because her priority is protecting Israel from criticism, not Australian Jews from anti-semitism.

Yeah.....

 

[Ghost Patrol]

It’s a conspiracy theory

You think Israel's longest running newspaper is spreading conspiracy theories?

 

[Scotland]

Minns and ALP NSW telegraphing in that press conference they are going to ban all mass protests (for the immediate future..)

I think that's sensible for at least a month or two.

All of the pro-Palestine marches have been incredibly peaceful. I'm sure there are one or two people out of the million or so who have attended them who haven't been.

So banning something incredibly peaceful is sensible?

I agree it is the right thing to do to take the heat out of the situation but are we still going to see levels of govt flying Palestinian flags?

 

[PiCkLeJuiCe]

Rabi Shlanger photos with the IDF and bombs and guns.
Like I said if they were true …

He shouldn't have been allowed in the country either. That's dangerous extremism too.

Hopefully Albo adopts Trump's 5 year social media disclosure. Weed out these undesirables.

 

[ElectricG]

You think Israel's longest running newspaper is spreading conspiracy theories?

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Your claim: Netanyahu funds ISIS
Your search results: Netanyahu finds a gang which is connected to ISIS

This is a fairly important omission on your part.

 

[ElectricG]

Dishing dirt on the victims of this is wild lol what are you weirdos doing

 

[schneebly111]

If I listened to them I would be as dumb as they are. Pass.

So you don’t want to know reality? You’d just prefer to ascribe whatever opinions you have about them without actually knowing what the truth is?

 

[Sphynx]

Dishing dirt on the victims of this is wild lol what are you weirdos doing

True colors of a few are unraveling behind their masks.

It’s been a tough couple of days for them having to grit and bear watching genuine public sympathy for the Jewish community.

 

[bourbons]

Nothing but love for my fellow Australians - other than radical Islamists (and radical leftists who support them).

Again, that you've convinced yourself of this is equal parts hilarious and sad. You routinely label garden variety leftists with nothing to do with Islam as evil, despicable etc. Hateful extremists and cookers are never much good at self-identifying themselves as such I suppose.

But sure, Albanese a 'radical leftist' who supports radical Islamists, balanced and rational stuff as always mate

 

[QuietB]

frydenberg earlier ..... julian leeser just now abc melb

you are entitled to your anger, grief and sorrow .... but dont dare lecture us on taking responsibility when your govt ran like cowards (when in office and on the royal commission stand) when questions of robodebt were repeatedly asked and ignored

rank political opportunism at its worst

It is not only what they do - it is all they are capable of doing.

Pissing and moaning is the only thing the right have left. They oppose everything with endless confected outrage.

Grievance is the only thing the right are capable of.

I’m still waiting for practical solutions on what government should have done differently - and all I have seen is more aimless pissing and moaning.

 

[QuietB]

I think Josh Frydenberg would know more about it than you, I suggest you read his message to the pm; he is vastly under impressed with Albanese’s weakness.

The electorate of Higgins was vastly unimpressed with him. Who cares what he thinks - all he knows is endless negativity like all the other Liberals.

 

[Sphynx]

It is not only what they do - it is all they are capable of doing.

Pissing and moaning is the only thing the right have left. They oppose everything with endless confected outrage.

Grievance is the only thing the right are capable of.

I’m still waiting for practical solutions on what government should have done differently - and all I have seen is more aimless pissing and moaning.

Are you ever going to respond to the complete disparity in funding or their own envoys detailed report which they failed to enact?

Or just keep shouting at the clouds?

Or do you think the majority of money they allocated last year was to allow Synagogues to simply add some security measures like some thicker doors and security cameras so as to simply keep putting up with being fire bombed was the best idea they could come up with themselves?

 

[Bloods86]

Dishing dirt on the victims of this is wild lol what are you weirdos doing

Yeah. Whether someone maybe supports Israel's actions in Gaza doesn't have any bearing on, well I don't know what the point is tbh.

 

[QuietB]

I know.

But this was the current Governments own elected envoy making those recommendations, which they requested her to do, which included that definition.

If they disagreed with it, they should have removed her and proceeded with a new report.

I would not be surprised if the Knesset produced that document.

Have you read it?

 

[QuietB]

Are you ever going to respond to the complete disparity in funding or their own envoys detailed report which they failed to enact?

Or just keep shouting at the clouds?

Or do you think the majority of money they allocated last year was to allow Synagogues to simply add some security measures like some thicker doors and security cameras so as to simply keep putting up with being fire bombed was the best idea they could come up with themselves?

What disparity in funding?

What other minority group in Australia gets security funding or any special treatment from the federal government?

 

[Sphynx]

What disparity in funding?

What other minority group in Australia gets security funding or any special treatment from the federal government?

I posted the last time you asked. Try reading your responses before continuing to ask the same question.

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