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Religion Bondi shooting - 16 confirmed dead at Jewish event

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spike101 said:
Please point me in the direction of pro Jewish posts and thereafter please point me to anti Hamas posts. I suspect the latter number will be very very very very very very very very very small. But please go ahead.
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This is a long winded way of saying you're either too lazy to or can't back up your claim.
 
Saint said:
The guards have been outside Mt Scopus school in Burwood for 40 years. There was always a much greater element of paranoia than actual need for security guards. Does there actually need to be armed guards there? Have they chosen to have them there and it's led to a sense of paranoia for a lot of Jewish people who go to them. Things might have changed recently, but there was never a realistic threat and the security never really did anything.

For the 20 years I saw them, it was an unarmed dude sitting on a stool doing sweet FA to make rich kids feel better about themselves. Always seemed like the barbed wire was more to keep the kids trapped in than anyone out.
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Yeah, they are imagining their racial abuse in the community.

Just paranoia.




www.abc.net.au

Mount Scopus principal reacts to alleged antisemitic abuse of primary aged students - ABC listen

The principal of Mount Scopus Memorial College says a number of his students were allegedly subject to "really terrible" comments during an excursion to Melbourne Museum on Thursday.
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A direct quote from the principal 12 months ago in the above transcript, sounds like a person just getting security for optics

“I am quite confident in being able to say; I do not believe there’s another school in Australia that spends more resources on security than we do. The fact that such a huge proportion of our yearly budget has to go towards having guards is a huge shame. We’re educators, we want to be spending our time and resources educating students. And right now we’re spending a lot of effort on protecting students. ”
 
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Sphynx said:
Yeah, they are imagining their racial abuse in the community.

Just paranoia.




www.abc.net.au

Mount Scopus principal reacts to alleged antisemitic abuse of primary aged students - ABC listen

The principal of Mount Scopus Memorial College says a number of his students were allegedly subject to "really terrible" comments during an excursion to Melbourne Museum on Thursday.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
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Yeah I think some progressive here would likely accuse those Jews of playing the victim.
 
stax on the mull said:
My belief is that when a human being is radicalized you'll never understand the motivation of such extreme views because the individual has to get to a level of insanity to make the choice to go out and kill large numbers of people that have no connection with the life he lead. That's why I can't accept reasons like he did it because of the atrocities that Israel is committing on Palestinians, or he did it because the Jew is the enemy of the Muslim (Muslim convert).
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I remember after one of the attacks in France - can't remember which one it was specifically - might have been when they carried out an attack in a city but escaped to the countryside and got taken out by the police, but they brought in a criminologist who tried to paint a picture of why they done it. One of the factors was that the attackers were easily impressionable and easily recruitable. He had being talking online with some radical cleric and gone to.......I can't remember where to under take training, pretty sure they all did. One of them was only just out of his teens, disillusioned with life in France, felt a lot of hostility towards him because he was a Muslim and wasn't up to much in life.

That was about as detailed as it got from memory, but to go up close and murder people, there has to be a level of psychopathy there. I'm sure the last person they murdered was a farmer and they beheaded him after they forced him to drive them to their last stand off spot. The person he was talking to must have been crafty to get him involved to do what he did, but don't recall what was said to him. It seemed like quasi grooming and over a relatively short space of time.

I think in some other attacks in France, the terrorists came in illegally and would suspect that they wanted to carry out attacks for what was going on in Afghanistan and Iraq. Obviously by understanding their motives is not going to stop future attacks, but I'm pretty sure a lot of the attacks which weren't lone wolf ones and involved groups, a lot of the terrorists were on a list 'known to the security services' Which begs the question why they weren't surveilled more closely at the very least, instead of there being an eye kept on them.
 

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Saint said:
The guards have been outside Mt Scopus school in Burwood for 40 years. There was always a much greater element of paranoia than actual need for security guards. Does there actually need to be armed guards there? Have they chosen to have them there and it's led to a sense of paranoia for a lot of Jewish people who go to them. Things might have changed recently, but there was never a realistic threat and the security never really did anything.

For the 20 years I saw them, it was an unarmed dude sitting on a stool doing sweet FA to make rich kids feel better about themselves. Always seemed like the barbed wire was more to keep the kids trapped in than anyone out.
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Yes for as long as I can remember there’s been guards outside Jewish facilities…

it’s not a recent thing.
 
Demonic Ascent said:
You're not really surprised why Facebook polls on Herald Sun posts aren't reflective of election results, are you?
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I would like to know where the various posters get their information from; for example we get The Age and The Australian delivered every day and read to try and get a balanced view, we listen to both the ABC and 3AW for the same reasons; but I get the impression that most posters here are left wing and believe everything they read or to what they listen. Try and get out a bit more.
 
revo333 said:
One of the police who got shot twice was a 22 year old male.

Lucky to survive but the end result looks like he has lost vision in one of his eyes.
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He got shot twice in his face and had his shoulder blown off by the shotgun.

He was the junior constable only a few months on the job.
 

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FlowersByIrene said:
Can anyone link me to one statement of Albanese condemning Islamic extremism in the wake of these atrocities, I have seen none.
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Dear chap if you must play partisan politics just a couple of days after a senseless tragedy, I think you have to acknowledge a few inconvenient truths.

1. Bondi shooter Sajid Akram, came into this country under Liberal PM John Howard;

2. was granted a gun licence under Liberal PM Tony Abbott; and

3. his murderous accomplice son Naveed Akram was investigated by ASIO and cleared under Liberal PM Scott Morrison for having close connection to Isaac El Matari, who was jailed for planning an IS insurgency as the self-declared Australian commander of the ISIS terrorist group.

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For the record I don't think any of these former PMs bear any responsibility for the events of the weekend. But they are closer to culpability than anything the current PM and his Cabinet have or didn't do.

And I'm really not fussed by we numpties making BS back and forth claims on a back thread of a footy forum for effect. But it troubles me deeply that this nonsense is getting traction from people calling themselves journalists on once revered mastheads.
 
ElectricG said:
lol I love how you think different countries having different values and their own national identity is simply impossible when some of them have literally outlawed homosexuality. Should we also agonise over our words when we publically declare that homophobia is bad because we might put a hundred bajillion people off side? Should we stop and think “whoa.. I’m not sure whether this aligns with the views of Pakistan and we really need their tourism..”?

What an idiotic comment.
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Off you go then, you get Albo and Wong to make a joint announcement tomorrow that we Australians think Islam is bad. See how that goes down.

Bloody hell you clearly have absolutely no idea how the real world works. On here assiduously posting your thoughts as if they are actually of value, and then you come up with la la land proposals like this.
 

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Bloods86 said:
This is a long winded way of saying you're either too lazy to or can't back up your claim.
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Or you can’t provide the answer because it’s skewed? Give me three examples of anti Hamas then; that will cut your research down. Please don’t use me as one of the examples. Read through the thread; there are enough examples that I don’t need to “claim”.
 
Festerz said:
Dear chap if you must play partisan politics just a couple of days after a senseless tragedy, I think you have to acknowledge a few inconvenient truths.

1. Bondi shooter Sajid Akram, came into this country under Liberal PM John Howard;

2. was granted a gun licence under Liberal PM Tony Abbott; and

3. his murderous accomplice son Naveed Akram was investigated by ASIO and cleared under Liberal PM Scott Morrison for having close connection to Isaac El Matari, who was jailed for planning an IS insurgency as the self-declared Australian commander of the ISIS terrorist group.
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Totally relevant...

Just like blaming Howard because you can't afford a house in 2025.
 

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