Religion Bondi shooting - 16 confirmed dead at Jewish event

[sherb]

Heaven forbid Jews - and Israel - be able to defend themselves

Are you in favour of Jews in Australia being able to defend themselves the same way that Israel "defends" itself?

 

[Gough]

Are you in favour of Jews in Australia being able to defend themselves the same way that Israel "defends" itself?

We're a step away from demanding a return to the white Australia policy in some quarters, the answer to hostile intolerance is even harsher hostile intolerance from them.

 

[sherb]

Yes they are, right now. These are just ordinary people who are trying to live their lives, privately and unobtrusively. (1) They’ve been singled out as targets; for a long time verbal, being excluded, harassed, threatened, blamed for a war overseas. Including their children! Now being killed.

No other identity group is receiving this treatment openly and publicly and shamelessly, and with such hate. In Australia! The home of fair go!

People don’t know history, or have twisted it to support their agenda. Even (or especially) on progressive Bigfooty boards the trend is to blame and persecute, not support and set a positive conciliatory attitude. (2) You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

1. Like gays, trans people, aboriginals, Muslims, refugees, immigrants in general, etc.............

2. Funny, that is precisely the attitude and behaviour we are currently seeing from conservatives towards the Labor government and Albanese in particular. Your thoughts on that?

 

[Gethelred]

Palestinians don’t want a two state solution. They’ve been offered it many times. They want Israel and all Jews wiped out. That’s all they want.

Here's the problem: this is a) a claim to fact, b) that is demonstrably untrue.

So this leaves you in fairly hot waters: do you want to continue disseminating what is clear misinformation - because while it might be a fact that some Palestinians do not want the two state solution you cannot treat the situation as all of them, which is what this post does - or do you back down from an incorrect claim?

 

[faible]

1. Like gays, trans people, aboriginals, Muslims, immigrants in general, etc.............

2. Funny, that is precisely the attitude and behaviour we are currently seeing from conservatives towards the Labor government and Albanese in particular. Your thoughts on that?

Strong sense of irony isn't it?

'We must be respectful of people's personal lives, let them live the way they want to live, support them and set a positive conciliatory attitude'

* people being transgender or muslim *

'no not like that'

 

[Sphynx]

OK now I know you’re not arguing in good faith.

Our whole exchange started with you describing the JCA as “far left”. I took issue with you portraying it as a left-right thing, pointing out their primary position was equal respect for the rights of all, including Palestinians.

Now you want to know who are the right wing Jewish groups? Take a hike.

Correct, in response to people describing the other Jewish organizations as far right.

In my opinion, the JCA are left and the other Jewish organizations are simply right of them.

It doesn’t make them far right.

 

[Sphynx]

Those who disagreed with this, why? Jesus died for your sins makes it pretty clear who the victim is here. Quick, better build lavish and ornate buildings to acknowledge the poor bugger's suffering.

Probably because of the pure ignorance/stupidity of it I guess.

Religion or Christianity?

You’ve said two different things in both posts

 

[SaintsSeptember]

There are Aboriginal Australians rolling on the floor laughing reading this.

There was an attempt to poison a water supply at Alice Springs in 1981. Since then i'm not aware of any attempts by an Australian member of the public to kill large numbers of Aboriginals.

Now i'm struggling to remember when an attempt buy an Australian member of the public was made to kill large numbers of Jews... Any clues ?

 

[Sphynx]

There are Aboriginal Australians rolling on the floor laughing reading this.

Speaking of dummy spits.

We’ve been waiting for you to start bringing the Voice et all into this debate… I’m surprised you’ve been able to resist this long

 

[faible]

There was an attempt to poison a water supply at Alice Springs in 1981. Since then i'm not aware of any attempts by an Australian member of the public to kill large numbers of Aboriginals.

Now i'm struggling to remember when an attempt buy an Australian member of the public was made to kill large numbers of Jews... Any clues ?

That Stolen Generation thing was pretty bad.

 

[sherb]

There was an attempt to poison a water supply at Alice Springs in 1981. Since then i'm not aware of any attempts by an Australian member of the public to kill large numbers of Aboriginals.

Now i'm struggling to remember when an attempt buy an Australian member of the public was made to kill large numbers of Jews... Any clues ?

Read the post Gough was replying to. It was far broader than killing or threatening to kill.

His analogy of the aboriginals was totally relevant given that.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Correct, in response to people describing the other Jewish organizations as far right.

In my opinion, the JCA are left and the other Jewish organizations are simply right of them.

It doesn’t make them far right.

If they are aligned with the far right Israeli government, then they are most likely far right.

 

[Gough]

72nd woman this year.

Man charged with murder after woman's death in Adelaide's northern suburbs

A 42-year-old man has been arrested and charged with murder after a woman was found dead in a home in Adelaide's northern suburbs on Sunday night.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Carringbush2010]

Your first half page rant named neo-liberalism

It isn't a rant, that is your incorrect and immediate reaction.

We treat people who hate with 'you have rights even though we know you hate, so we'll wait til you do something before we do anything'
...
Our liberal democratic society seems to treat the symptoms after the fact, rather than address the causes. Leniency has increased to a point of anarchy.

And? I don't see anything wrong with this. It is not unreasonable to expect consequence and by extension deterrence (jn an attempt to avoid future incidents), for anti social and or life threatening behaviour

It seems that you are saying people "something should be done about people"

Then you've misinterpreted

You then said wtte of "How come the guy on an ISIS watch list was allowed to get guns?" and I responded by saying that I think it was his dad who got the guns and that afaik he wasn't on a watch list. You said that wasn't the point? What is the point then?

I don't know the answer, all I know is that someone who allegedly is known as an isis sympathizer shouldn't have access to firearms.

If that means then Dad shouldn't, then so be it.

I know the counter argument would be 'well that's not democratic' and 'slippery slope' etc., well it isn't but if it something like this was in place before this incident then 15 lives would be saved. I'd be happy to sacirifice a bit of democracy to save those lives.

Point is, as much as I'm a staunch liberal democratic, there still need to be social elements to maintain that liberal democracy. Like consequences and by extension deterrence to avoid future incidents like this.

I'm not all over it, however it has been stated in here that there are laws that recognise that sympathizing with terrorist organizations like isis should be a red flag and has been alluded that those laws are meant to prevent such incidents but haven't been applied.

I think it might've been Festerz who mentioned them?

If that is true, then how did this incident happen? Was the law and punishment (deterrent) not applied? If so why not? Not a question for you obviously unless you know the answers.

If you think this is an unreasonable position, please advise on what your solution is / ideas are.

 

[Festerz]

The first post-Bondi poll suggests real but limited damage for Labor on voting intention, and a solid hit to Anthony Albanese on personal approval.

Unsurprisingly the One Nation vote federally now up to 16 percent on Resolve. The highest it has ever been. It’s only a matter of time before it hits 20.

Also clear is that the one political leader whose political messaging has resonated with the public is NSW Labor Premier Chris Minns.

Resolve Strategic: 54-46 to Labor (open thread) - The Poll Bludger

The first post-Bondi poll suggests real but limited damage for Labor on voting intention, and a solid hit to Anthony Albanese on personal approval.

www.pollbludger.net

This assessment of the Resolve polling from fellow pollster Kos Samaras polling is spot on.

 

[sherb]

Kon Karapanagiotidis is the founder & CEO of the Asylum Seeker Resource Centre.

Seems that refugees aren't exactly embraced by segments of Australian society either.

 

[T2B_]

Here's the problem: this is a) a claim to fact, b) that is demonstrably untrue.

So this leaves you in fairly hot waters: do you want to continue disseminating what is clear misinformation - because while it might be a fact that some Palestinians do not want the two state solution you cannot treat the situation as all of them, which is what this post does - or do you back down from an incorrect claim?

Seems some people try to conflate the likes of Hamas with all Palestinians. Not surprisingly what they try to do lumping in all ordinary Muslims with IS.

 

[faible]

Seems some people try to conflate the likes of Hamas with all Palestinians. Not surprisingly what they try to do lumping in all ordinary Muslims with IS.

That user gets all their news from The Australian, I doubt they're even aware they're two distinct groups.

 

[Sphynx]

If they are aligned with the far right Israeli government, then they are most likely far right.

Not always.

The ASIO director general described the rise of a new section of society as far left radical environmentalists that support Adolf Hitler.

Modern society is definitely more complicated.

 

[Festerz]

The ASIO director general described the rise of a new section of society as far left radical environmentalists that support Adolf Hitler.

HE DID NOTHING OF THE SORT.

In his 2025 Annual Threat Assessment the ASIO Director-General, Mike Burgess, mentioned a specific individual case where an individual extremist held a hybrid ideology, describing themselves as a "left-wing environmentalist aligned with Adolf Hitler".

He mentioned that case to highlight a concerning trend of individuals "cherry-picking" beliefs from seemingly contradictory ideologies to create their own unique, blended belief systems.

A bit like you 'cherry picking' a line from his speech to support your own particular narrative.

Edit: A link to the 2025 Threat Assessment presentation, delivered in February is here for anyone interested:

https://www.oni.gov.au/news/asio-annual-threat-assessment-2025

What he said in that speech about rising anti-semitism is prescient:

'Anti-Semitism festered in Australia before the tragic events in the Middle East, but the drawn-out conflict gave it oxygen – and gave some anti-Semites an excuse.'

'Jewish Australians were also increasingly conflated with the state of Israel, leading to an increase in anti-Semitic incidents.'

'The normalisation of violent protest and intimidating behaviour lowered the threshold for provocative and potentially violent acts. Narratives originally centred on “freeing Palestine” expanded to include incitements to “kill the Jews”. Threats transitioned from harassment and intimidation to specific targeting of Jewish communities, places of worship and prominent figures.'

'I am concerned these attacks have not yet plateaued.'

 

[SaintsSeptember]

That Stolen Generation thing was pretty bad.

Do you remember it?

 

[schneebly111]

The first post-Bondi poll suggests real but limited damage for Labor on voting intention, and a solid hit to Anthony Albanese on personal approval.

A hit, yes. But still a 54-46 2PP lead and a 38-30 PPM lead. Given the negative campaign has been going all week I’d say it’s been a very limited effect.

This assessment of the Resolve polling from fellow pollster Kos Samaras polling is spot on.

Minns and Albo haven’t been that dissimilar in response except for the calls for a Royal Commission, but Minns has the advantage of not having made the call for recognising Palestine so hasn’t copped as much anger from the community.

 

[Gough]

Do you remember it?

At least it happened, at the moment we're falling over ourselves for a bunch of people who believe the word of a prehistoric goat herder as law and who want us to indulge their delusions too.

 

[faible]

Do you remember it?

There's many alive today who were part of it, you're talking as late as the mid 70s in some cases.

This isn't ancient history you're talking about.

There's one poster on here that might have been part of it, I can't remember the details of his life story properly to know if he was himself, or if he narrowly avoided it.

 

[Gethelred]

It isn't a rant, that is your incorrect and immediate reaction.

And? I don't see anything wrong with this. It is not unreasonable to expect consequence and by extension deterrence (jn an attempt to avoid future incidents), for anti social and or life threatening behaviour

Then you've misinterpreted

I don't know the answer, all I know is that someone who allegedly is known as an isis sympathizer shouldn't have access to firearms.

If that means then Dad shouldn't, then so be it.

I know the counter argument would be 'well that's not democratic' and 'slippery slope' etc., well it isn't but if it something like this was in place before this incident then 15 lives would be saved. I'd be happy to sacirifice a bit of democracy to save those lives.

Point is, as much as I'm a staunch liberal democratic, there still need to be social elements to maintain that liberal democracy. Like consequences and by extension deterrence to avoid future incidents like this.

I'm not all over it, however it has been stated in here that there are laws that recognise that sympathizing with terrorist organizations like isis should be a red flag and has been alluded that those laws are meant to prevent such incidents but haven't been applied.

I think it might've been Festerz who mentioned them?

If that is true, then how did this incident happen? Was the law and punishment (deterrent) not applied? If so why not? Not a question for you obviously unless you know the answers.

If you think this is an unreasonable position, please advise on what your solution is / ideas are.

This might be the best post you've ever made, CB. It's certainly one of the most internally consistent.