Religion Bondi shooting - 16 confirmed dead at Jewish event

[Achy Blakey Heart]

For the older posters who remember, did john howard cop the same blood on your hands garbage as Albanese after the Port Arthur massacre?

The circumstances were quite different and you know that.

What I will say, is that Howard had the balls to make the most radical changes to gun ownership in our history, in full knowledge his voter base would despise him for it....and they did...it was incredibly high risk politically for him.

The reason Albo was so quick to announce gun reforms after Bondi, is because he knows all his support is in the major cities, and there would be little to no political backlash from his supporter base. He knew there would be wide ranging support from city types who have little to no exposure to use of firearms and a poor understanding of firearm use in rural areas.

 

[H Dolphin]

You deal with ALL ethno-religious supremacy and seperatist groups who think their group or race should rule over all others in the rejection of a common humanity. In one swoop, you deal with them all.

You go to full scale war against the Far Right in totality, in all its evil guises, and you don't stop until there is erasure.

Those who deny human rights to others should THEMSELVES have no human rights to fall back on. No protections. No second chances. No legal system to protect them.

We see how ALL supremacist movements are an existential threat to our common humanity. It is past time that threat was dealt with on an international level.

D_r_u does none of the things you described in your first 2 sentences/paragraphs. I don't understand what you are getting at in your your 3rd sentence/paragraph but the closest we have come to dealing with the threat described in your 4th sentence/paragraph is the US since 1945. All up, it's done pretty well and we've been with it.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

John Howard was praised for the gun reforms, only great country (USA) people who were upset by it and that was probably media excerpts from their gun lobby.

He confronted his voter base directly with the legislation, and what he copped was significantly worse than a few boos. It's rare to see this from a PM, and deserves recognition.

 

[H Dolphin]

He confronted his voter base directly with the legislation, and what he copped was significantly worse than a few boos. It's rare to see this from a PM, and deserves recognition.

Toss in 2002 East Timor, a bit of ticker.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Out of context. What I want is the best people voting, making the best decisions for everyone, taking away from the tyranny of the majority, from mob rule by the least educated and least intelligent amongst us, those who think Albanese is doing a good job, or that think fundamentalist Islam is just another social status to be "accepted" like being homosexual or singing along to Disney songs in the cinema, people who think that there should be political advantages based on the colour of your skin, or who think that Australian emissions have an impact on the global environment. I want what is best for people with disability, illness and those who are studying, volunteering or doing unpaid work. And it's become evident that the current system is not set up to achieve that.

You can just say you are an older Australian who hates the fact that you are out of time and scared that the majority is now millenials.

The future is now old man.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Isis, far right cookers, and the Chinese/Russian government bots influencing social media must be laughing at the way Australia is tearing itself apart.

Let's be real millenials and Gen z have moved on and we are way more net savvy.

 

[H Dolphin]

You can just say you are an older Australian who hates the fact that you are out of time and scared that the majority is now millenials.

The future is now old man.

What a disgraceful comment.

 

[faible]

The circumstances were quite different and you know that.

What I will say, is that Howard had the balls to make the most radical changes to gun ownership in our history, in full knowledge his voter base would despise him for it....and they did...it was incredibly high risk politically for him.

The reason Albo was so quick to announce gun reforms after Bondi, is because he knows all his support is in the major cities, and there would be little to no political backlash from his supporter base. He knew there would be wide ranging support from city types who have little to no exposure to use of firearms and a poor understanding of firearm use in rural areas.

Howard gets all the credit, but Tim Fischer was the one who made it happen.

'Many Australians are alive today because of Tim Fischer'

Within days of the 1996 Port Arthur massacre, the Nationals leader and then-prime minister John Howard had started building a case to introduce some of the toughest gun control laws in the world.

www.abc.net.au

Albanese knows some people might not like it, but far more people will be in favour of it, as they should be. The bolded is just a silly comment to make.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Hey I agree Scomo was shit, but Abbot, how can you not love that man. Ate an onion, stopped the boats. A modern Yoat.

Oh that's your problem, you want to have a relationship with your politician. Love them.
That narrows the field right down for me. Any chance we can get Queen Mary of Denmark back to Australia and into politics.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

Howard gets all the credit, but Tim Fischer was the one who made it happen.

'Many Australians are alive today because of Tim Fischer'

Within days of the 1996 Port Arthur massacre, the Nationals leader and then-prime minister John Howard had started building a case to introduce some of the toughest gun control laws in the world.

www.abc.net.au

Albanese knows some people might not like it, but far more people will be in favour of it, as they should be. The bolded is just a silly comment to make.

I guess we have different understandings of what leadership is. Yes TF was a huge part of making that happen, but you cannot deny Howard's courage.... or maybe you can when you have allowed yourself to be so bitterly polarized..

It's an easy win for Albo, without political risk, and I think the public know this, hence why he wont receive the plaudits that Howard did.

Rightly or wrongly, the general public are far more concerned about accountability in relation to the motive behind the attacks, why more wasn't implemented to stifle the rise of antisemitism, and why he refuses to call for a commonwealth RC instead handballing it to Minns and in the process looking like he has something to hide. Its not a good look.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

You can just say you are an older Australian who hates the fact that you are out of time and scared that the majority is now millenials.

The future is now old man.

I'm a millennial bro (although I prefer Gen Y, back in my day that's what we used to call it).

 

[Orfullrules]

Let's be real millenials and Gen z have moved on and we are way more net savvy.

Way more. English has deteriorated.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

Royal commission into Bondi attack appears inevitable for Albanese government​

By chief digital political correspondent Clare Armstrong

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Prime Minister Anthony Albanese is under pressure to call a national royal commission into the Bondi terror attack. (ABC News: Jack Fisher)

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History tells us it's only a matter of time before the federal government calls a national royal commission into the Bondi terror attack.
Having once been an opposition leader who heaped pressure on government to instigate such inquiries, Anthony Albanese should know his resistance on this matter now is futile.
This is not to say the literal lectern thumping performance from the opposition on this issue warrants capitulation, but there is enough merit in the idea for the prime minister to act, despite knowing the Coalition will paint it as a political backdown.
Albanese has already left the door slightly ajar by virtue of volunteering support for whatever the NSW government needs, which presumably could include empowering a state royal commission to look at federal agencies.
But for now, he remains steadfast in his refusal to take the lead by calling a sweeping national inquiry, in favour of a shorter, sharper probe in the country's intelligence and security agencies.

Boos and jeers followed the prime minister as he arrived at the memorial service at Bondi Beach on Sunday. (ABC News: Che Chorley)

Calls for a royal commission​

The announcement of this inquiry has done nothing to dissuade the Jewish Australian community, the opposition and judicial experts from calling for a royal commission — with even Labor MPs now breaking rank to back the idea.
Tougher gun laws and a crackdown on hate speech are important parts of the government's wide-reaching response to the horrific terror attack.
But those measures do not directly quell the thirst for answers and desire in parts of the community to have their say on how they feel this situation came to pass.
The calls for a royal commission are symbolic of this desperate need for information and validation of the Jewish Australian experience in recent years.
There may be political forces at play, and it is also demonstrably true that a royal commission would not be able to act with the same urgency as other forms of investigation, but that does not negate the value in holding one.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-11-04/new-environment-laws-could-help-or-hinder-nature/105963168

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A lesson Morrison learned​

This is a lesson former prime minister Scott Morrison learned prior to calling a royal commission into veteran and defence suicides in 2021, an idea he had flatly opposed for years.
Instead, he had appointed a permanent national commissioner with the same powers to undertake a more rapid response, making use of the wealth of reviews and inquiries already conducted.

The difference between federal and state royal commissions​

Calls for the federal government to hold a royal commission into the Bondi terror attack continue after NSW announced intentions for a state-level royal commission.
At every turn he was pushed by Labor, led by Albanese, to instead pursue a full royal commission on the basis it would produce a more comprehensive response, and crucially, was what the loved ones of those who had died wanted.
It was a similar story in the wake of the black summer bushfires, which were still burning in some parts of the country when talk turned to a royal commission.
Initial reticence due to the lack of timeliness and cumbersome nature of such an inquiry was ultimately overcome due to the public desire for it.
So, Albanese has seen this play many times before.
Instead, for now, he remains steadfastly committed to a Department of Prime Minister & Cabinet probe into agencies like ASIO and the Australian Federal Police led by the nation's former spy boss Dennis Richardson.

Labor MPs break rank​

On Monday, the government was treating interrogation of this proposal as either questioning the integrity of Richardson or not understanding the need for fast answers such an inquiry, which is due to report back in April, can provide.
This ignores the fact that Richardson himself was last week insisting the factors at play in the Bondi attack went beyond the capabilities, structure and resourcing of those agencies.
Already Labor MPs Mike Freelander and Ed Husic have come out in public support of a national royal commission.
Multiple Labor MPs speaking privately to the ABC have expressed their dismay at the handling of the inquiry calls.

Opposition Leader Sussan Ley accused Foreign Minister Penny Wong of not shedding "a single tear" over the Bondi terror attack. (ABC News: Teresa Tan)
While many believe Albanese is right in tasking a rapid review of potential operational gaps and issues, there is a sense the public wants to see some contrition and responsibility from the government about the broader issues at play, including antisemitism.
One Labor MP likened the mood in caucus to that of the Australian community — "confused and frustrated" that such an attack could occur here and ultimately, a "desire for answers".
Another says the long-term nature of a royal commission would actually give the government some much needed ballast as it continues to be battered and bruised in the court of public opinion.

Ley takes swipe at Wong​

Using logic to argue against emotion in politics rarely works, though the opposition is in danger of overloading on the latter with increasingly inflamed claims about the government.
Opposition Leader Sussan Ley on Monday took a vicious personal swipe at Foreign Minister Penny Wong for not attending the Bondi memorial site or funerals of victims, suggesting the Labor minister had not "shed a single tear" over the attack.
Such rhetoric hardly fits with the summer of "calm" urged by NSW Premier Chris Minns.


PM loudly booed at memorial to terrorist attack victims
Sunday night's commemoration at Bondi Beach for the national day of reflection aptly captured the mood of Australia's Jewish community — there was sadness, a hopeful resilience and there was anger.
Amid the grief and solemnity, praise for acts of courage and extraordinary first-hand accounts of bravery, the line-up of speakers delivered a clear and steady message to the prime minister present in the crowds: you must do more.
Albanese, who last week admitted he and his government are not "perfect" and will further tackle antisemitism in Australia, is in the midst of a perilous test of his leadership.

A test of his leadership​

The boos and jeers that followed Albanese as he arrived at the event and when he was welcomed by name during the opening were shocking, but not surprising.
The Jewish Australian community feels they were ignored by the government in the lead up to the attack, and worry they are still not going to get a hearing in its aftermath.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-12-22/bondi-memorial-in-pictures/106168886​

Emotional scenes and a heavy police presence are visible at Bondi Beach as the Jewish community and other locals mark one week since the Hanukkah shooting.
Much has been said of Albanese's inability to assume the natural role of a prime minister as "national mourner in chief" in the wake of a crisis, due to his fractious relationship with the very community targeted at Bondi last week.
That he was unwelcome at the funerals of the victims, and perhaps unwilling to create a public spectacle by joining mourners gathered at the makeshift memorial by the Bondi Pavilion, is an astonishing departure from the usual emphasis on unity and solidarity in such moments.
The prime minister has privately met with the families and loved ones of victims, as well as prominent leaders in their communities.
Albanese is undoubtedly facing some tough conversations behind closed doors, but until the public gets to witness the scrutiny — perhaps through a royal commission — he will never satisfy his critics.

Royal commission into Bondi attack appears inevitable for Albanese government

 

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Ley turning up the temperature

‘I haven’t seen Penny Wong shed a single tear’: Ley lashes minister over Bondi massacre response

Opposition Leader Sussan Ley slammed a podium while launching a vociferous attack on the foreign minister in an extraordinary moment during a press conference on Monday.

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[Bloods86]

I guess we have different understandings of what leadership is. Yes TF was a huge part of making that happen, but you cannot deny Howard's courage.... or maybe you can when you have allowed yourself to be so bitterly polarized..

It's an easy win for Albo, without political risk, and I think the public know this, hence why he wont receive the plaudits that Howard did.

Rightly or wrongly, the general public are far more concerned about accountability in relation to the motive behind the attacks, why more wasn't implemented to stifle the rise of antisemitism, and why he refuses to call for a commonwealth RC instead handballing it to Minns and in the process looking like he has something to hide. Its not a good look.

I think Howard deserves some credit for actions re: gun control and Timor-Leste. The former moreso now, as a leftie, than when I actually voted for him (and later Abbott) indirectly, coming from a regional Aus family who had guns.

Though I also think the public is being misled as to Albo's actions or inactions, and from various biased sources are being fed an uncharitable view, relating to the Bondi attack.

It's not a good look, but you also can't help shoddy journalism and political opportunism.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

This is not an answer to the post you're responding to.

Are you going to amend your post to reflect that the claim made in it is false - correcting it to reflect fact - or are you going to continue trying to argue that it reflects the facts in its current form?

I thought I did, #3878

 

[faible]

Yes TF was a huge part of making that happen

Which is what I said

maybe you can when you have allowed yourself to be so bitterly polarized..

Weird comment.

It's an easy win for Albo, without political risk, and I think the public know this, hence why he wont receive the plaudits that Howard did.

Is anyone suggesting he should?

Rightly or wrongly, the general public are far more concerned about accountability in relation to the motive behind the attacks, why more wasn't implemented to stifle the rise of antisemitism, and why he refuses to call for a commonwealth RC instead handballing it to Minns and in the process looking like he has something to hide. Its not a good look.

Speaking of bitterly polarised... this would represent one portion of the 'general public'. Certainly it wouldn't represent the entirety of it. A very selective interpretation of events.

 

[_Cerberus_]

None. Beazley stood with him as Crean did with him after Bali, how Shorten stood by Abbott and Morrison after Lindt and Christchurch.

This is without a doubt the first time I’ve seen a national tragedy where one side has gone on the attack.

I know some Jewish people, and some Liberal voters who were disgusted by how the Liberals and Murdoch media conducted themselves. Todays polling numbers show the Liberals barely created a dent. Still in line for the usual smashing at the next election. Perhaps if they took a leaf out of past incidents, and acted like leaders, they might have done better. Shows most Aussies see through the BS these days, thankfully.

Murdoch media refuse to allow all voices to be heard, as it will damage their narrative.

Now that other Jewish Groups are starting to speak up to Leys lie that she speaks for all, they have hit a wall. And FRAUDenbergs claim of Albo doing nothing, when 5 pieces of legislation to combat antisemitism were passed the last couple of years, where Frydenberg himself tried to weaken hate speech laws multiple times, citing that they were "too harsh". He literally did or try to do what he accuses Albo of, F**king hypocrite. He should stick to stealing from charities.

Point is, the last few days hasn't had the effect the Liberals have wanted. And the fact the majority of Australians want unity on all sides, accept more needs to be done to combat antisemitism, without restricting our freedoms, and are also against Israels actions in Gaza. Good to see Swan, Turnbull, Wong come out and say it how it should be said.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

I'm a millennial bro (although I prefer Gen Y, back in my day that's what we used to call it).

Yeah, nah not buying it.

Either way you are out of touch and out of time.

What a disgraceful comment.

Time is a constant, father time is undefeated and facts beat feelings

I feel the media and libs/nats being so extreme is just one last attempt for relevancy along with their dying audience, a dying media, a dying political party.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Yeah, nah not buying it.

Either way you are out of touch and out of time.


Time is a constant, father time is undefeated and facts beat feelings

I feel the media and libs/nats being so extreme is just one last attempt for relevancy along with their dying audience, a dying media, a dying political party.

 

[Gethelred]

I thought I did, #3878

As you were.

 

[Sphynx]

You can just say you are an older Australian who hates the fact that you are out of time and scared that the majority is now millenials.

The future is now old man.

Lol, what a bizarre comment.

Millennials can be as old as 44 years old.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

I am 32, I bet I am more in touch then you.

 

[Aussie in exile]

I am 32, I bet I am more in touch then you.

Or even THAN you

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Lol, what a bizarre comment.

Millennials can be as old as 44 years old.

No shit.

But being a authortian liberal aint the average Aussie millenial.