Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 3 * Coroner's Hearings Concluded

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 2

Criminal charges:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on FF *Guilty Overturned on Appeal
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on FM *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Please type names out in full for those who are not covered by suppression orders.

For those covered by suppression orders, please use the following to indicate:

WT - William Tyrrell
FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
FA - Frank Abbott
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
CCR - Cobb and Co Road
GO - Geoff Owens
One even reduced bike riding to - BR
COG - Consciousness of guilt. Like WHO KNEW?

 

[Inspector Small]

No, but you claimed (falsely) that someone else on here claimed that he was killed on Tuesday. No-one has made that claim. You seem to have made a mistake in that claim. The theory does not exist on this forum.

No image can be released and then withdrawn these days. Every image ever released will still be available. Please show us your evidence.

Fair call, maybe the media is just not that interested in their stories. None of them really had blockbuster information. Conflicting memories of times etc. In one case, husband and wife couldn't even agree on a time. I guess we have to wait for the release of the coroner's report and then I think a lot of opposing opinions are going to come out.

Get a grip, I said nothing of the sort.

Show me where I said that another poster believed he was killed on a Tuesday.

Where did I say it was posted in this forum.

I am not your errand boy.
You find the image and look at it yourself. I have told you where to look. It’s a key piece of evidence that will help put the perpetrators in jail.

If I was them I would go to the police right now and tell them the truth and tell them where William is buried. Prison is a frightening place for those that harm children.

You accused me of being a liar about the horse corral. Why would I lie about that for gods sake. I provide the image and get no apology. It took me 30 seconds to find it on google street view. It was where I told you to look.

Get a grip. There will be no coroners report. The DPP will lay charges. That is the process. The court has already said there is no plan at the moment to report.

I have shown nothing but a small fraction of what I have put together as evidence of the deceit regarding those photos. It’s my work and I will choose who and when I will show it.

 

[Lady O]

Yes I know all this, and your point is. How does it change?

You do know that the sun shines through Perspex.

What happens in overcast conditions?

I know the answer. Do you?

I think you will find it is a polycarbonate roof sheeting, not perspex.

 

[Inspector Small]

I think you will find it is a polycarbonate roof sheeting, not perspex.

Fair enough.

 

[LRitz]

I’m not totally convinced there are suppression orders over witnesses. I would believe they have fear though. There is one witness talking, Paul Savage, he spoke to The Daily Mail in October 2024. But I guess he might hold the view that Jubelin fkd him over sufficiently so it can’t really get any worse, and he would be right IMO.

Former prime William Tyrrell prime suspect says he knows who did it

A man once targeted as the prime suspect in the William Tyrrell case has accused the disgraced ex-Tyrrell task force head of ruining the investigation, saying it could have been solved.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Paul Savage is not a fan of Jubelin, understandable.
He says . "...It will probably never be solved now"

Paul Savage says he thinks he knows what happened to William. But Candace leaves out what Paul Savage thinks did happen. Did he tell Candace?

Edit: Also PS talks in general about the investigation. But in the article there is no mention of what happened on the the day. And no mention of what PS or his wife were doing or what they reported to the police. So he could have been advised not to mention this and/or Candace knew not to release this. So could be possible suppression or at least advice for the neighbours.

 

[31550]

Paul Savage is not a fan of Jubelin, understandable.
He says . "...It will probably never be solved now"

Paul Savage says he thinks he knows what happened to William. But Candace leaves out what Paul Savage thinks did happen. Did he tell Candace?

Notice there is no mention of anything that actually saw that day. Just commentary about the subsequent investigation. Did Candace ask him about what he saw with his own eyes? His timeline of events? When did AMS knock on his door? Did he see or hear cars? We know he can't talk about the fosters or anything which might identify them (even though that restriction seems ridiculous now).
The terms of his settlement may also restrict what he is allowed to talk about.
So that's Savage accounted for. What about the other neighbours though?

 

[Inspector Small]

Paul Savage is not a fan of Jubelin, understandable.
He says . "...It will probably never be solved now"

Paul Savage says he thinks he knows what happened to William. But Candace leaves out what Paul Savage thinks did happen. Did he tell Candace?

Edit: Also PS talks in general about the investigation. But in the article there is no mention of what happened on the the day. And no mention of what PS or his wife were doing or what they reported to the police. So he could have been advised not to mention this and/or Candace knew not to release this. So could be possible suppression or at least advice for the neighbours.

PS is a dottery old man at the end of his life. I still get angry at what that F*** W** copper did to him.

Seriously how would planting a Spider-Man suit next to a fire trail have carried any imputation of guilt.

He may have key evidence about the time the FF left on his trip to Lakeview. I hope he has given that up.

 

[Curious Clues]

PS is a dottery old man at the end of his life. I still get angry at what that F*** W** copper did to him.

Seriously how would planting a Spider-Man suit next to a fire trail have carried any imputation of guilt.

He may have key evidence about the time the FF left on his trip to Lakeview. I hope he has given that up.

Maybe Savage witnessed something that didn’t fit into Jubelin’s tunnel visioned narrative. Maybe he harassed and mind fkd the bloke so he would question his own memory and thus be discredited and deemed an unreliable witness. He was next in line to be stitched up so Jubelin couldn’t have his testimony appearing credible.

 

[Grassy_Knoll]

There are no suppression orders, not everyone wants to rush off and share with the world. And some of the witnesses (neighbours) may have been told they could be called to testify in a future court case, so there own legal advice may be to say nothing. Not that any of them had much information anyway.
But most just not interested in rehashing what was a terrible time for Kendall.
And some of the podcasts, ie: Dan Box etc did talk to people , including the biological family, and their extended family. And I think there were magazine and TV interviews with some of those people. Someone called Allana ?? was promoting them heavily at one stage until there was a falling out when they realised she was using them.

It's my opinion and understanding from intelligence that no one is talking because they have all signed non disclosure agreements AND taken payment on podcasts etc. People like AMS and a few other locals whom have NEVER brought the bullshit story from the get go but all the others have been paid off IMO.

The ex-carers (hello to you on here and your multiple accounts, meow) are nervous as cats on a hot tin roof!

They used to be human chatterboxes on another platform but fell silent a long time ago. Most likely due to NSWPOL taking notes of comments made. It wouldn't surprise me if there were NSWPOL on this platform.

There are certainly a couple of journalists on here, hello to you too!

I'd love to see a full financial audit of the Where's William campaign. If they truly have nothing to hide, open the books
let NSWPOL follow the $$$.

 

[passball]

Maybe Savage witnessed something that didn’t fit into Jubelin’s tunnel visioned narrative. Maybe he harassed and mind fkd the bloke so he would question his own memory and thus be discredited and deemed an unreliable witness. He was next in line to be stitched up so Jubelin couldn’t have his testimony appearing credible.

Are you suggesting Jubelin could possibly be corrupt to be in on a coverup?
That he knows what happened to William?

 

[passball]

Wonder if anyone ever did a money trail of the FPs after William's 'disappearance'

 

[Jim Cricket]

I listed a number of key witnesses in a earlier post who were present in Benaroon Drive that day. In the early days, these people identified themselves. They are identified in the two books. They DID have information. Some of them were called to the Inquest. One or two appeared in newspapers or magazines. But since the inquest began, none of these people have made public statements. We know they are not allowed to talk about the fosters or William's sister. But why have none of them been asked publicly to go on record and state exactly what they saw or heard that morning? Am I the only person who finds this odd?

I'm not interested in what Box or any other podcaster or journalist says. I want to hear it from the mouths of witnesses. None of the bio family were witnesses on the day, and Allannah Smith (if that's who you mean) isn't a witness either.

I am interested in the facts of the case. There are very few publicly known. It's possible that a witness has been sitting on a key piece of information all these years, and maybe they don't know it. Or maybe they do, and want to scream it from the rooftops, but have been denied that opportunity?

Crabbs
Crowle
Wilsons
Sharpleys
Savages
Millers (not present but lived next door)
Heslops
Donohue (spelling?) Ellendale Cres, and tennis club
Hudson (attended later with sons)
...

Not one of these people have been heard from since around 2016.

You say there are no suppression orders. Some will want to remain private. But every single one of them? That's not human nature. Some will want 10 minutes of fame. Others will want the truth to be known. They aren't going to be called to the Inquest (again). The Inquest is vacated.

What do you think we'd hear from any of these people that we haven't already heard a dozen times? It's also not like any of them have much vital information. The inquest started in 2019 I think so it's not because of it that you haven't heard from them since 2016, it's more likely that there's nothing more to add.

 

[31550]

What do you think we'd hear from any of these people that we haven't already heard a dozen times? It's also not like any of them have much vital information. The inquest started in 2019 I think so it's not because of it that you haven't heard from them since 2016, it's more likely that there's nothing more to add.

2016 was the time when Jubelin 'cleared' the fosters and the $1M reward was announced. Also the time that the Where's William campaign reached its zenith, and the abduction narrative became mainstream in the media. Would have been opportune time for suppression orders protecting privacy of various parties. But, there was no real need for suppression orders then because everyone accepted the narrative.
But by 2019 people were considering other scenarios more seriously, and the coronial inquest brought the individual eye witness accounts out publicly along with more details of the fosters narrative. 2019 was when the walkthroughs were first seen by the public - and everyone could start to see the inconsistencies between eyewitness accounts and other narratives. Quite rightly, the coroner warned witnesses not to discuss the case publicly (protecting the privacy of innocent parties). But that also presented an opportunity for some very heavy handed suppression orders, basically preventing anyone from talking about anything. I am confident the fosters legal team would have pursued these, and would have had support from SFR and the coroner.

We haven't heard from these people "a dozen times". Most we haven't heard from directly at all - we've only read about them in books.

 

[LRitz]

And here are the solar plots for 9:37am on 14/09/2014 at the address in question. The sun is at 42.8 degrees, almost exactly NE.

View attachment 2506710

I don't know if I have got it right. So the sun is NE. And if you were standing at the laundry door you would be roughly facing NE. The sun would be hitting the brick wall next to the laundry (not under the roof of the deck) which does look bright
.
But if there were shadows they should be more or less in line with the timber boards on the deck, in the SW direction.
But the shadow of the leg of the planter is more to the SE, that would be from the sun if it was NW ( after midday). All a bit confusing. And there are no shadows from the supports to the roof of the deck. So maybe it was just an overcast day. But then bright enough to have the pink drink bottle have a reflection on the timber deck.

 

[Curious Clues]

Are you suggesting Jubelin could possibly be corrupt to be in on a coverup?
That he knows what happened to William?

No I don’t think Jubelin knows what happened to William. But I believe he knows who didn’t do it, and I’m not referring to the fosters. After he left the force, he promoted himself as Australia’s top detective. If he’s such a great detective and is so convinced that Savage was the perpetrator, why didn’t he continue to try to prove it? There’s only one answer, because he knows it’s not him.
Why would he go on a podcast with Dan Box and then weirdly entertain his amateur investigation of Abbott? Isn’t he positive it’s Savage?
Savage has described him to a tee, “He can talk the talk, but he can’t walk the walk.”
IMO

 

[Inspector Small]

I don't know if I have got it right. So the sun is NE. And if you were standing at the laundry door you would be roughly facing NE. The sun would be hitting the brick wall next to the laundry (not under the roof of the deck) which does look bright
.
But if there were shadows they should be more or less in line with the timber boards on the deck, in the SW direction.
But the shadow of the leg of the planter is more to the SE, that would be from the sun if it was NW ( after midday). All a bit confusing. And there are no shadows from the supports to the roof of the deck. So maybe it was just an overcast day. But then bright enough to have the pink drink bottle have a reflection on the timber deck.

The shadows should be to the south west direction along the line of the floor boards at 9.37am. We are talking about the two close ups of William in which the plantar box is visible.

You need to seperate the reflections (south east) from objects towards the camera from the glossy floor. They are there because it is really bright and sunny. That is the pink water bottle and the planter box. These are not shadows. (Reflections not shadows)

If you look at these objects, you will also see a shadow in a different direction. That is to the south. That’s how you can tell the time. They are there but are attenuated by the polycarbonate roofing. These shadows are relatively short because the elevation of the sun is so high. You can actually measure these shadows to tell the date. On a cloudy day you would not see these at all because the whole sky acts as a light source rather than a point source on a sunny day.

There are two verandah posts

They are not visible for two different reasons. At 9.37 on a Sunny day it should be visible and towards the Plantar box. It is not there because it is not 9.37. You can see it in that photo I sent you of the verandah taken by Kate Geraghty.

The reason you can’t see them is that

1) It is 1 pm and out of the field of view. It is towards the photographer from the right of the picture.

2) The elevation of the sun is so high because it is not September. This has created a short shadow rather than a long shadow. In September the shadow should be about 3 metres long. In summer it is less than half this length. So too short to be seen.

You should see both verandah post shadows it if the photos were taken at 9.37 am on a sunny day in September.

The fact you can see other shadows and not these tells you it was a sunny day at 1pm , in Summer.

Look at that image I sent you and the verandah posts. It’s so close to 9.30 am. At 9.37 the south east post should be visible in those photos if sunny.

 

[BFew]

A sporession order is issued by court or coroner and available publicly.

There were things suppressed from being reported by the media that occurred in the coroners courtroom during the last tranche of inquest hearings that the media and pro podcasters have not yet even said a peep about the existence of in any of their publications. Completely destroying your erroneous claim about suppression of some things that occur during Coroners hearings.

 

[winyhill]

But the shadow of the leg of the planter is more to the SE, that would be from the sun if it was NW ( after midday). All a bit confusing. And there are no shadows from the supports to the roof of the deck. So maybe it was just an overcast day. But then bright enough to have the pink drink bottle have a reflection on the timber deck.

Problem with any shadow analysis is we don't know camera settings. We don't know aperture or timing. And we don't know if flash was used.
And we are looking at probably a third generation copy of copy.
Perhaps some analysis would be useful if we had the original high resolution image and the camera settings. Without that, we are just p**ing in the wind.

 

[Inspector Small]

Problem with any shadow analysis is we don't know camera settings. We don't know aperture or timing. And we don't know if flash was used.
And we are looking at probably a third generation copy of copy.
Perhaps some analysis would be useful if we had the original high resolution image and the camera settings. Without that, we are just p**ing in the wind.

Just another steaming pile of shit from you.

Camera settings do not change shadows. We do know that a flash was not used. There are shadows on Williams face. There is a shadow under grandmas legs. The shadow under her legs also indicates 1 pm.

 

[Inspector Small]

I don't know if I have got it right. So the sun is NE. And if you were standing at the laundry door you would be roughly facing NE. The sun would be hitting the brick wall next to the laundry (not under the roof of the deck) which does look bright
.
But if there were shadows they should be more or less in line with the timber boards on the deck, in the SW direction.
But the shadow of the leg of the planter is more to the SE, that would be from the sun if it was NW ( after midday). All a bit confusing. And there are no shadows from the supports to the roof of the deck. So maybe it was just an overcast day. But then bright enough to have the pink drink bottle have a reflection on the timber deck.

The catchlight in Williams eyes would not occur on a overcast day either. I think I know what the catch light is.

 

[KEEP MOVING]

No I don’t think Jubelin knows what happened to William. But I believe he knows who didn’t do it, and I’m not referring to the fosters. After he left the force, he promoted himself as Australia’s top detective. If he’s such a great detective and is so convinced that Savage was the perpetrator, why didn’t he continue to try to prove it? There’s only one answer, because he knows it’s not him.
Why would he go on a podcast with Dan Box and then weirdly entertain his amateur investigation of Abbott? Come on, he knows it’s not Abbott either.
Savage has described him to a tee, “He can talk the talk, but he can’t walk the walk.”

I think Dan Box and the production team of his podcast, along with contributions from Jubelin, all made a very profitable podcast as there is certainly an appetite for answers regarding Williams disappearance. Unfortunately for those that listened to every episode they were left very disappointed and dissatisfied as it was very vague in every aspect and quite pathetic. Basically it was created to cast doubt in the public’s mind and point the finger at certain unsavoury characters. Revealed nothing essentially. You must remember these people knew full well the coronial inquest was going to resume in early November 2024. And so the HUGE VERY WELL FUNDED campaign to distract everyone away from foster parents possible guilt began. Don’t look here, look over there at them! The media world throughout Australia was flooded with daily front page NEWS.COM articles in conjunction with the Dan Box WITNESS podcast beginning on October 8! Just enough time to create controversy in the lead up to Coronial inquest. It’s a bit scary how a very well funded and very solid marketing campaign can influence the masses. What happened next? The final week of the Coronial inquest to be be held in December 2024 was cancelled. And who was happily reporting this in an article for NEWS.COM? Dan Box!

 

[DropBearess]

It is indeed interesting that none of the witnesses to FM and FF's shenanigans that morning has had anything to say publicly ever since. Lydene Heslop was a contributor to one of the more authentic WW sites 3-4 years ago. Most of her posts were in response to FM's assertions in the timeline, saying respectfully "that wasn't how it happened". She subsequently abruptly stopped posting.

 

[KEEP MOVING]

It is indeed interesting that none of the witnesses to FM and FF's shenanigans that morning has had anything to say publicly ever since. Lydene Heslop was a contributor to one of the more authentic WW sites 3-4 years ago. Most of her posts were in response to FM's assertions in the timeline, saying respectfully "that wasn't how it happened". She subsequently abruptly stopped posting.

Yes it’s a good point and I believe that’s what 31550 might have been referring to earlier. It was either Caroline Overington or Candace Sutton who after being present sitting through all court hearings and all days of the coronial inquests including the latest, stated that the public would be in shock at the sheer volume of suppression orders in place and how widespread and restrictive they are regarding the William Tyrell case.

 

[Inspector Small]

I think Dan Box and the production team of his podcast, along with contributions from Jubelin, all made a very profitable podcast as there is certainly an appetite for answers regarding Williams disappearance. Unfortunately for those that listened to every episode they were left very disappointed and dissatisfied as it was very vague in every aspect and quite pathetic. Basically it was created to cast doubt in the public’s mind and point the finger at certain unsavoury characters. Revealed nothing essentially. You must remember these people knew full well the coronial inquest was going to resume in early November 2024. And so the HUGE VERY WELL FUNDED campaign to distract everyone away from foster parents possible guilt began. Don’t look here, look over there at them! The media world throughout Australia was flooded with daily front page NEWS.COM articles in conjunction with the Dan Box WITNESS podcast beginning on October 8! Just enough time to create controversy in the lead up to Coronial inquest. It’s a bit scary how a very well funded and very solid marketing campaign can influence the masses. What happened next? The final week of the Coronial inquest to be be held in December 2024 was cancelled. And who was happily reporting this in an article for NEWS.COM? Dan Box!

Dan Box usually stated ‘William disappeared while playing with his sister in Kendall.

The last time he commented he stated

“William was reported missing”

He has gone to ground since. They Pulled the advertising from News to his podcast happened at the same time.

It’s only Jubelin opening his big mouth now.

Did anyone else notice this.

 

[Curious Clues]

I think Dan Box and the production team of his podcast, along with contributions from Jubelin, all made a very profitable podcast as there is certainly an appetite for answers regarding Williams disappearance. Unfortunately for those that listened to every episode they were left very disappointed and dissatisfied as it was very vague in every aspect and quite pathetic. Basically it was created to cast doubt in the public’s mind and point the finger at certain unsavoury characters. Revealed nothing essentially. You must remember these people knew full well the coronial inquest was going to resume in early November 2024. And so the HUGE VERY WELL FUNDED campaign to distract everyone away from foster parents possible guilt began. Don’t look here, look over there at them! The media world throughout Australia was flooded with daily front page NEWS.COM articles in conjunction with the Dan Box WITNESS podcast beginning on October 8! Just enough time to create controversy in the lead up to Coronial inquest. It’s a bit scary how a very well funded and very solid marketing campaign can influence the masses. What happened next? The final week of the Coronial inquest to be be held in December 2024 was cancelled. And who was happily reporting this in an article for NEWS.COM? Dan Box!

Yes the bombardment by Box was shameless and quite disturbing on many levels imo. Don’t forget the 7 Spotlight episode thrown in for further dramatic effect. The usual small clique of foster parent supporters certainly don’t mind putting their dignity aside to go in to bat for them. Not sure if it’s working tbh. It’s not like there was an influx of hundreds more middle aged Karen’s on social media coming out to defend them, just the same handful of nasty mums that also used corporal punishment, psychological and verbal abuse on their poor children.

 

[Inspector Small]

Another person stopped posting in forums abruptly. He was prolific in posting YT videos about this case as well as in social media including this thread.

Everyone knows of Richie Swann. This diagram I have added light direction to, true north as well as light direction at 9.37 was originally by Richie.

That diagram was the last thing he ever posted. I think he contacted SFR or the coroner to claim the $1M reward. He said that the light direction was right and never said anything about the case again. That was 2020.

I will post the diagram again.