Religion Bondi shooting - 16 confirmed dead at Jewish event

[SBD Gonzalez]

But surely intentions matter, no? That’s where the moral failing is. If Palestine could kill more Israeli civilians, they would. If they could exterminate the Jews, they would - where something like a quarter of Israel’s population are Arab Muslims living in peace. This stops me supporting them as wholeheartedly as others. Israel are bad. But I wouldn’t have supported the Nazis at any point just because they had sustained heavy civilian casualties.

Yes intentions matter. There are several people in the Israeli government that have stated they'd like to see the Palestinians wiped from the face of the earth. Chilling.

The Gazans sustained "heavy casualties" because the Israelis have kept killing them long after all decent people are utterly horrified at the sheer bloodlust.

None of this the excuses the horrific massacre of October 7th, but any human being not numb from the shoulders up can only be horrified at the continuance of the slaughter at such levels, the deliberate starvation of a trapped population.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Whoever came up with that one was a straight up fascist.

And not the sharpest tool in the box.

 

[ferball]

And not the sharpest tool in the box.

I dunno about that.

Its clever cos it really plays on people's fear of ostracism and it appeals to a bunch of irrational survival based instincts or neurocircuits or something. In the context of people who have always been hated its a powerful way to manipulate people. You're associating ideas that you don't want around with the people responsible for your historical oppression. Then labeling people who promote those ideas. Even if they don't care, people who might otherwise listen to them are also influenced.

 

[ElectricG]

Yes intentions matter. There are several people in the Israeli government that have stated they'd like to see the Palestinians wiped from the face of the earth. Chilling.

The Gazans sustained "heavy casualties" because the Israelis have kept killing them long after all decent people are utterly horrified at the sheer bloodlust.

None of this the excuses the horrific massacre of October 7th, but any human being not numb from the shoulders up can only be horrified at the continuance of the slaughter at such levels, the deliberate starvation of a trapped population.

I get what you’re saying. And I don’t deny some of the awful statements made by Israeli officials. But you won’t convince me that they broadly harbour an uglier ideology. They have fair elections, support the rights of women and girls, and don’t start massacring people in western countries as a response to conflict in nations they have never set foot in. Gaza are crueler on every measure - they are just relatively powerless.

I’d really like you to answer this question: if Palestine had Israel’s military power, and Israel was on its knees, would they allow aid to flow to those stricken Jews? YES it’s hypothetical, but an absolutely fair question to pose in the conversation of determining who is “worse”.

 

[Crankyhawk]

I get what you’re saying. And I don’t deny some of the awful statements made by Israeli officials. But you won’t convince me that they broadly harbour an uglier ideology. They have fair elections, support the rights of women and girls, and don’t start massacring people in western countries as a response to conflict in nations they have never set foot in. Gaza are crueler on every measure - they are just relatively powerless.

I’d really like you to answer this question: if Palestine had Israel’s military power, and Israel was on its knees, would they allow aid to flow to those stricken Jews? YES it’s hypothetical, but an absolutely fair question to pose in the conversation of determining who is “worse”.

seen lots of stories about aid not flowing, or being sabotaged too. I think the Palestinians would probably act in a similar campaignery fashion, remembering that we see the worst excesses (because thats what is newsworthy)

 

[RCAB]

So you understand that everything that’s happened since October 7 - even during October 7 - has been orchestrated from foreign entities? And that doesn’t bother you? You don’t feel used?

What's your religion? In your "holy text" did the earth start on October 7th?

 

[RCAB]

That’s OK, I cannot wait until you contribute a post actually worth reading.

I haven't seen one yet..

 

[RCAB]

But surely intentions matter, no? That’s where the moral failing is. If Palestine could kill more Israeli civilians, they would. If they could exterminate the Jews,

They didn't before prior to the Nakba (when there were a lot less and orders of magnitudes easier to achieve) or even after, why now?

It's CLEAR Israel wants to ethnically cleanse Palestinians, and many want a clear Genocide but just can't act on it, phone cameras and all.

 

[Harlott]

But surely intentions matter, no? That’s where the moral failing is. If Palestine could kill more Israeli civilians, they would. If they could exterminate the Jews, they would - where something like a quarter of Israel’s population are Arab Muslims living in peace. This stops me supporting them as wholeheartedly as others. Israel are bad. But I wouldn’t have supported the Nazis at any point just because they had sustained heavy civilian casualties.

You don’t realise how racist you sound.

 

[Hoop1888]

Its clever cos it really plays on people's fear of ostracism and it appeals to a bunch of irrational survival based instincts or neurocircuits or something. In the context of people who have always been hated its a powerful way to manipulate people. You're associating ideas that you don't want around with the people responsible for your historical oppression. Then labeling people who promote those ideas. Even if they don't care, people who might otherwise listen to them are also influenced.

I think this is true and can see some parallels with the Kitson doctrine, he was an infamous British general called Frank Kitson, who applied divisive tactics between the general Kenyan population when the British rolled in there - not that it's any surprise a colonial force uses these form of tactics, but he wrote a book about how to deal with uprisings, which obviously isn't the case in Gaza, but I think his frame work on causing chaos in country, interspersed with some propaganda, some of it rings true in Gaza today.

I get that the genocide in Gaza is completely different to someone dealing with uprisings, but I think in the 1st paragraph - from seeing how Israeli commentators dehumanize Palestinians, has some merit in what Kitson was getting at.

'He was active around the world from Malaysia, Kenya to Cyprus directing a murderous war against the strivings of colonial people for independence and honing his theories in his 1971 book and an earlier book written out of his experiences fighting the Mau Mau uprising in Kenya entitled ‘Gangs and Counter Gangs’.
Essentially the Kitson doctrine was that at times of civil unrest there needed to be a coordinated political, military, legal and media operation against ‘subversives’.
'
In order to deal with these subversives, Kitson
advocated a whole range of tactics from setting up special groups to carry out targeted assassinations of the leaders of these subversives and, in order to ‘poison the water’ in which they operated, to create a whole campaign of media propaganda aimed at discrediting them'

The 'posioning of the water' seems prevalent to the discourse around Palestine, Zionists in Australia, but the non Zionist supporters on here could probably add more context to it.

 

[sherb]

Dude, a recent arival, only on one topic, nothing about collingwood fc. You would suit those ice dudes with masks... gutless.

Can you change the team you support to carlton....pleeease

God no.............

 

[sherb]

But surely intentions matter, no? That’s where the moral failing is. If Palestine could kill more Israeli civilians, they would. If they could exterminate the Jews, they would - where something like a quarter of Israel’s population are Arab Muslims living in peace. This stops me supporting them as wholeheartedly as others. Israel are bad. But I wouldn’t have supported the Nazis at any point just because they had sustained heavy civilian casualties.

The good old "wanting to do something is worse than actually doing it" argument.

One of many tired talking points we've seen from the pro-Israel crowd over the journey.

 

[Jameggins]

But I wouldn’t have supported the Nazis at any point just because they had sustained heavy civilian casualties.

Bullshit. You openly support the current day nazi equivalent, you would have back then too.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Not sure what some vocal people expect out of the RC. The finding that some appear to want is that the government is somehow complicit in the shooting due to its recognition of Palestine

 

[ElectricG]

You don’t realise how racist you sound.

… because I don’t support racist ideologies?

 

[Harlott]

… because I don’t support racist ideologies?

“If Palestine could kill more Israeli civilians, they would”

Sounds like you do

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

“If Palestine could kill more Israeli civilians, they would”

Sounds like you do

Isn't that their stated aim?

 

[Not Important]

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[schneebly111]

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I’ve read that with the ones who’ve quietly said they won’t be attending it’s now over 100 of 120 attendees who’ve pulled out. They’ll have to rename it the “Adelaide Writer’s quick dunny break”.

But don’t worry, the Writer’s Festival Board have announced a new line up that is sure to attract the audience they now want to attract at the festival, I’ve seen a leaked copy of the new schedule:

Day 1. Tony Abbott signs copies of his history book he knicked out of the $2 store discount bin.

Day 2. Paul Murray and Peta Credlin compete to see who can use the word “woke” the most times in an opinion column

Day 3. Gina Rinehart poetry slam

Day 4. The new school literature curriculum presented by the Institute for Public Affairs

Day 5. Sky “News” Outsiders Rowan Dean and Rita Panahi reveal why mandatory COVID vaccines have caused people to want to read books instead of watching their show

Day 6. “Climate science, the greatest work of fiction ever” by Andrew Bolt

Day 7. John Howard cryogenically unfrozen to read a series of essays on morality by George Pell

 

[RCAB]

You don’t realise how racist you sound.

Most do.

Most racists I've spoken to IRL, including Nazis, know they're racist and won't hide once their guard is down. They openly admit but not importantly believe it's justified.

Isn't that their stated aim?

They're stated aimed is not be oppressed and stop the IDF terrorist organisation shooting down their starving children when they scrap a few morsels aid supplies.

 

[faible]

Most do.

Most racists I've spoken to IRL, including Nazis, know they're racist and won't hide once their guard is down. They openly admit but not importantly believe it's justified.



They're stated aimed is not be oppressed and stop the IDF terrorist organisation shooting down their starving children when they scrap a few morsels aid supplies.

Dogs won’t even distinguish between Hamas and Palestinian civilians despite posting on the topic for a couple of years now.

It simply doesn’t matter what you say to someone that wilfully ignorant and hateful.

 

[RCAB]

Dogs won’t even distinguish between Hamas and Palestinian civilians despite posting on the topic for a couple of years now.

It simply doesn’t matter what you say to someone that wilfully ignorant and hateful.

I don't know happens in the future, but their could be a scenario where this could be used as evidence.

Certainly these acts of supporting genocide may come under a different level of scrutiny in the future. I guess they can enjoy saying whatever they want.. for now.

 

[ferball]

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There's a guy on there whose dad escaped the Holocaust.

He must be anti-semitic.

Multiple other Jewish people on there including others whose family escaped the holocaust. (BTW anyone whose family escaped or survived the Holocaust lost family members to it.) They must all be anti-semitic as well.

Bloody racists!

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

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Gormless intellectual conformity, ie group think.

The ones that didn't withdraw are now suspect.

 

[schneebly111]

There's a guy on there whose dad escaped the Holocaust.

He must be anti-semitic.

Multiple other Jewish people on there including others whose family escaped the holocaust. (BTW anyone whose family escaped or survived the Holocaust lost family members to it.) They must all be anti-semitic as well.

Bloody racists!

Louise Adler, the director of the festival, is the child of Holocaust survivors and her decision to platform a Palestinian author was overruled by the Festival board. Why was her voice silenced?