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Jacinta Allan - Leading a zombie government

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How’s that, I’m listening to the facts not the spin.

Yes you are on the right track, but the poster I quoted is in their usual government spin position of the government is right, unions and CFA volunteers are liars.
Fair, volunteers are the backbone, no spin from cfa...typically salt of the earth people
 
Have you considered the role of forest fire mangement, that undertake nonurban fire management

Agree though, cfa volunteer resources are poor
This is no defence for what the Andrews govt. did in selling out the the CFA for political expediency reasons.
 
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Happy to stick the boots in to Scomo, though, for the same.
Really?

Allan who briefly went on leave, returned from leave during the fires, then was evacuated from her home.

The person that has done her job and also fronted the media? Absolutely embarrassing weird little freaks in this thread.
 

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Victorian Government actually tackling the housing affordability crisis.
By reducing the costs imposed by government identified in the piece, they could engage in more effective tackling.

The Grattan Institute's assessment seems to be "good now, would have been better earlier".
 
By reducing the costs imposed by government identified in the piece, they could engage in more effective tackling.

The Grattan Institute's assessment seems to be "good now, would have been better earlier".
It always would have been better earlier.

A fact all other levels of government around the country seem not to care about.

At least Victoria under Allan are doing something. And absolutely, there is more that can be done. New affordable and state housing, further simplification of the approvals process, additional shifting of those powers from council to a state body, like an expanded VCAT.

All things the LNP oppose.

Pretty explicitly given a number of members are trying to front NIMBY scare campaigns over limited densification.
 
I don't think the demand for apartment living will be sustained enough for the Government to reach its planned targets on the timelines it is talking about.
It will take time. It will also require a depletion of greenfield land stocks in the growth areas

Id suggest 15 years before we see significant demand shifts
 
It will take time. It will also require a depletion of greenfield land stocks in the growth areas

Id suggest 15 years before we see significant demand shifts
I was thinking the same thing. If they want to hit the apartment goals, they'll probably need to start jacking up the price on low-density urban fringe developments, which they have been steadily doing the past few years.
 
I was thinking the same thing. If they want to hit the apartment goals, they'll probably need to start jacking up the price on low-density urban fringe developments, which they have been steadily doing the past few years.
Id suggest facilitation of low-rise apartments, minum high standard design, supported by public realm enhancement. Im more a carrot rather than stick approach
 
It always would have been better earlier.

A fact all other levels of government around the country seem not to care about.

At least Victoria under Allan are doing something. And absolutely, there is more that can be done. New affordable and state housing, further simplification of the approvals process, additional shifting of those powers from council to a state body, like an expanded VCAT.

All things the LNP oppose.

Pretty explicitly given a number of members are trying to front NIMBY scare campaigns over limited densification.
Governments in other jurisdictions aren't responsible for the costs created and imposed by the current Victorian Government.

I do not agree with the parliamentary Liberal Party's current approach to this issue.
 

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Poor Jacinta, whilst she was out there doing photo ops and driving people crazy, her poor husband had to evacuate without a car!!!

Although assuming she was heeding her own advice, they’d all have been in Melbourne on the taxpayers dime well before any fire started.
 

Victorian Government actually tackling the housing affordability crisis.
The land tax updates, as well as favourablel land i.e flat land availability has actually seen prices stagnate for the best. Its apocolyptic in Sydney and is trending that way in Qld and adelaide (lol).

Madness to think property increasing at 7-10% per year is a good thing for society.
 
Poor Jacinta, whilst she was out there doing photo ops and driving people crazy, her poor husband had to evacuate without a car!!!

Although assuming she was heeding her own advice, they’d all have been in Melbourne on the taxpayers dime well before any fire started.
You wouldn't expect the leader of the state to visit the fire affected areas and provide the community with an update?

Isn't this exactly what Morrison was castigated for NOT doing?

As someone who has been on the fire ground over the last few days, knowing that our leaders are taking the recovery seriously is incredibly important. There will be a time and a place for a broader discussion about resourcing, but it sure as shit isn't now.

People have lost anything, and they couldn't give a flying f*** about political point scoring.
 
You wouldn't expect the leader of the state to visit the fire affected areas and provide the community with an update?

Isn't this exactly what Morrison was castigated for NOT doing?

As someone who has been on the fire ground over the last few days, knowing that our leaders are taking the recovery seriously is incredibly important. There will be a time and a place for a broader discussion about resourcing, but it sure as shit isn't now.

People have lost anything, and they couldn't give a flying f*** about political point scoring.

Yes some people complained that the PM wasn’t out there every single day for 4 months, that was a strange complaint but those people complained about everything.

But good on her finding regional Victoria, an improvement on the previous premier. She didn’t care enough about the CFA when they’re crying out for money pre fires.

I do find it funny how all her photo ops are with the new tankers, not visiting any of the brigades with 30 year old trucks, what a coincidence.

It’s a sad political landscape we live in where the government won’t do anything for the CFA unless there’s a large fire and they have no choice.
 
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Yes some people complained that the PM wasn’t out there every single day for 4 months, that was a strange complaint but those people complained about everything.

But good on her finding regional Victoria, an improvement on the previous premier. She didn’t care enough about the CFA when they’re crying out for money pre fires.

I do find it funny how all her photo ops are with the new tankers, not visiting any of the brigades with 30 year old trucks, what a coincidence.

It’s a sad political landscape we live in where the government won’t do anything for the CFA unless there’s a large fire and they have no choice.
Ours in in the background of a few of the pics... It is over 10 years old.

But don't let hyperbole get in the way of you thinking you're right.
 
Ours in in the background of a few of the pics... It is over 10 years old.

But don't let hyperbole get in the way of you thinking you're right.

So crew cab, air conditioning, must be nice. 10 years old is pretty new for the fleet, even the newest pumpers are already 8 years old.
 

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So crew cab, air conditioning, must be nice. 10 years old is pretty new for the fleet, even the newest pumpers are already 8 years old.
It's far nicer than our second tanker...

Like I said, I don't believe now is the time for mud-slinging. There are people that need help and demanding the Premier answer all of these questions now is taking time and resources away from people who need it.

Is there a broader discussion to be had about emergency services resourcing at the appropriate time. Absolutely.
 
It's far nicer than our second tanker...

Like I said, I don't believe now is the time for mud-slinging. There are people that need help and demanding the Premier answer all of these questions now is taking time and resources away from people who need it.

Is there a broader discussion to be had about emergency services resourcing at the appropriate time. Absolutely.

True, but it’s still disappointing that it takes an event like this to get any action and it hasn’t stopped the premier playing politics saying it’s all lies, she’s throwing money at the CFA.
 
You wouldn't expect the leader of the state to visit the fire affected areas and provide the community with an update?

Isn't this exactly what Morrison was castigated for NOT doing?

As someone who has been on the fire ground over the last few days, knowing that our leaders are taking the recovery seriously is incredibly important. There will be a time and a place for a broader discussion about resourcing, but it sure as shit isn't now.

People have lost anything, and they couldn't give a flying f*** about political point scoring.
Won't stop emotional locals showing up and getting angry though.

Which in the long term doesn't help anyone.

Yes some people complained that the PM wasn’t out there every single day for 4 months, that was a strange complaint but those people complained about everything.

But good on her finding regional Victoria, an improvement on the previous premier. She didn’t care enough about the CFA when they’re crying out for money pre fires.

I do find it funny how all her photo ops are with the new tankers, not visiting any of the brigades with 30 year old trucks, what a coincidence.

It’s a sad political landscape we live in where the government won’t do anything for the CFA unless there’s a large fire and they have no choice.
People want better services yet won't accept higher taxes to pay for it.
You could cancel every single infrastructure project and it still wouldn't be enough.

So the question is how are you paying for it? Who pays more? Are you willing to pay more tax Eddie?

The same people complaining about old fire trucks are the same people complain about the Emergency Services Levy.

The reality is everyone expects someone else to pay for it.
 
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Won't stop emotional locals showing up and getting angry though.

Which in the long term doesn't help anyone.


People want better services yet won't accept higher taxes to pay for it.
You could cancel every single infrastructure project and it still wouldn't be enough.

So the question is how are you paying for it? Who pays more? Are you willing to pay more tax Eddie?

The same people complaining about old fire trucks are the same people complain about the Emergency Services Levy.

The reality is everyone expects someone else to pay for it.
lots of wasteful and/or lower priority expenditure the government should be cutting/deferring or not have wasted money on - ever bloating senior exec levels in public service, junkets, marketing, consultants, reviews intended to create perception or action, commonwealth games, srl, dodgy contracts to donors, treaty etc
 
lots of wasteful and/or lower priority expenditure the government should be cutting/deferring or not have wasted money on - ever bloating senior exec levels in public service, junkets, marketing, consultants, reviews intended to create perception or action, commonwealth games, srl, dodgy contracts to donors, treaty etc
Still wont be enough to pay for the level of service people want.

Who gets a tax raise to pay for it? I dont see anyone willing.
 

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