Jacinta Allan - Leading a zombie government

[Saint]

I don't think the demand for apartment living will be sustained enough for the Government to reach its planned targets on the timelines it is talking about.

 

[leon123]

I don't think the demand for apartment living will be sustained enough for the Government to reach its planned targets on the timelines it is talking about.

It will take time. It will also require a depletion of greenfield land stocks in the growth areas

Id suggest 15 years before we see significant demand shifts

 

[Saint]

It will take time. It will also require a depletion of greenfield land stocks in the growth areas

Id suggest 15 years before we see significant demand shifts

I was thinking the same thing. If they want to hit the apartment goals, they'll probably need to start jacking up the price on low-density urban fringe developments, which they have been steadily doing the past few years.

 

[leon123]

I was thinking the same thing. If they want to hit the apartment goals, they'll probably need to start jacking up the price on low-density urban fringe developments, which they have been steadily doing the past few years.

Id suggest facilitation of low-rise apartments, minum high standard design, supported by public realm enhancement. Im more a carrot rather than stick approach

 

[The Punter]

It always would have been better earlier.

A fact all other levels of government around the country seem not to care about.

At least Victoria under Allan are doing something. And absolutely, there is more that can be done. New affordable and state housing, further simplification of the approvals process, additional shifting of those powers from council to a state body, like an expanded VCAT.

All things the LNP oppose.

Pretty explicitly given a number of members are trying to front NIMBY scare campaigns over limited densification.

Governments in other jurisdictions aren't responsible for the costs created and imposed by the current Victorian Government.

I do not agree with the parliamentary Liberal Party's current approach to this issue.

 

[eddiesmith]

Poor Jacinta, whilst she was out there doing photo ops and driving people crazy, her poor husband had to evacuate without a car!!!

Although assuming she was heeding her own advice, they’d all have been in Melbourne on the taxpayers dime well before any fire started.

 

[hamohawk1]

Melbourne is in the middle of a housing revolution – have the yimbys already won?

Advocates say even they are surprised by Allan government’s embrace of higher density housing, but warn construction costs risk city becoming ‘victim of its success’

www.theguardian.com

Victorian Government actually tackling the housing affordability crisis.

The land tax updates, as well as favourablel land i.e flat land availability has actually seen prices stagnate for the best. Its apocolyptic in Sydney and is trending that way in Qld and adelaide (lol).

Madness to think property increasing at 7-10% per year is a good thing for society.

 

[Carn The Berries]

Poor Jacinta, whilst she was out there doing photo ops and driving people crazy, her poor husband had to evacuate without a car!!!

Although assuming she was heeding her own advice, they’d all have been in Melbourne on the taxpayers dime well before any fire started.

You wouldn't expect the leader of the state to visit the fire affected areas and provide the community with an update?

Isn't this exactly what Morrison was castigated for NOT doing?

As someone who has been on the fire ground over the last few days, knowing that our leaders are taking the recovery seriously is incredibly important. There will be a time and a place for a broader discussion about resourcing, but it sure as shit isn't now.

People have lost anything, and they couldn't give a flying f*** about political point scoring.

 

[eddiesmith]

You wouldn't expect the leader of the state to visit the fire affected areas and provide the community with an update?

Isn't this exactly what Morrison was castigated for NOT doing?

As someone who has been on the fire ground over the last few days, knowing that our leaders are taking the recovery seriously is incredibly important. There will be a time and a place for a broader discussion about resourcing, but it sure as shit isn't now.

People have lost anything, and they couldn't give a flying f*** about political point scoring.

Yes some people complained that the PM wasn’t out there every single day for 4 months, that was a strange complaint but those people complained about everything.

But good on her finding regional Victoria, an improvement on the previous premier. She didn’t care enough about the CFA when they’re crying out for money pre fires.

I do find it funny how all her photo ops are with the new tankers, not visiting any of the brigades with 30 year old trucks, what a coincidence.

It’s a sad political landscape we live in where the government won’t do anything for the CFA unless there’s a large fire and they have no choice.

 

[Carn The Berries]

Yes some people complained that the PM wasn’t out there every single day for 4 months, that was a strange complaint but those people complained about everything.

But good on her finding regional Victoria, an improvement on the previous premier. She didn’t care enough about the CFA when they’re crying out for money pre fires.

I do find it funny how all her photo ops are with the new tankers, not visiting any of the brigades with 30 year old trucks, what a coincidence.

It’s a sad political landscape we live in where the government won’t do anything for the CFA unless there’s a large fire and they have no choice.

Ours in in the background of a few of the pics... It is over 10 years old.

But don't let hyperbole get in the way of you thinking you're right.

 

[eddiesmith]

Ours in in the background of a few of the pics... It is over 10 years old.

But don't let hyperbole get in the way of you thinking you're right.

So crew cab, air conditioning, must be nice. 10 years old is pretty new for the fleet, even the newest pumpers are already 8 years old.

 

[Carn The Berries]

So crew cab, air conditioning, must be nice. 10 years old is pretty new for the fleet, even the newest pumpers are already 8 years old.

It's far nicer than our second tanker...

Like I said, I don't believe now is the time for mud-slinging. There are people that need help and demanding the Premier answer all of these questions now is taking time and resources away from people who need it.

Is there a broader discussion to be had about emergency services resourcing at the appropriate time. Absolutely.

 

[eddiesmith]

It's far nicer than our second tanker...

Like I said, I don't believe now is the time for mud-slinging. There are people that need help and demanding the Premier answer all of these questions now is taking time and resources away from people who need it.

Is there a broader discussion to be had about emergency services resourcing at the appropriate time. Absolutely.

True, but it’s still disappointing that it takes an event like this to get any action and it hasn’t stopped the premier playing politics saying it’s all lies, she’s throwing money at the CFA.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

You wouldn't expect the leader of the state to visit the fire affected areas and provide the community with an update?

Isn't this exactly what Morrison was castigated for NOT doing?

As someone who has been on the fire ground over the last few days, knowing that our leaders are taking the recovery seriously is incredibly important. There will be a time and a place for a broader discussion about resourcing, but it sure as shit isn't now.

People have lost anything, and they couldn't give a flying f*** about political point scoring.

Won't stop emotional locals showing up and getting angry though.

Which in the long term doesn't help anyone.

Yes some people complained that the PM wasn’t out there every single day for 4 months, that was a strange complaint but those people complained about everything.

But good on her finding regional Victoria, an improvement on the previous premier. She didn’t care enough about the CFA when they’re crying out for money pre fires.

I do find it funny how all her photo ops are with the new tankers, not visiting any of the brigades with 30 year old trucks, what a coincidence.

It’s a sad political landscape we live in where the government won’t do anything for the CFA unless there’s a large fire and they have no choice.

People want better services yet won't accept higher taxes to pay for it.
You could cancel every single infrastructure project and it still wouldn't be enough.

So the question is how are you paying for it? Who pays more? Are you willing to pay more tax Eddie?

The same people complaining about old fire trucks are the same people complain about the Emergency Services Levy.

The reality is everyone expects someone else to pay for it.

 

[Rob R]

Won't stop emotional locals showing up and getting angry though.

Which in the long term doesn't help anyone.


People want better services yet won't accept higher taxes to pay for it.
You could cancel every single infrastructure project and it still wouldn't be enough.

So the question is how are you paying for it? Who pays more? Are you willing to pay more tax Eddie?

The same people complaining about old fire trucks are the same people complain about the Emergency Services Levy.

The reality is everyone expects someone else to pay for it.

lots of wasteful and/or lower priority expenditure the government should be cutting/deferring or not have wasted money on - ever bloating senior exec levels in public service, junkets, marketing, consultants, reviews intended to create perception or action, commonwealth games, srl, dodgy contracts to donors, treaty etc

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

lots of wasteful and/or lower priority expenditure the government should be cutting/deferring or not have wasted money on - ever bloating senior exec levels in public service, junkets, marketing, consultants, reviews intended to create perception or action, commonwealth games, srl, dodgy contracts to donors, treaty etc

Still wont be enough to pay for the level of service people want.

Who gets a tax raise to pay for it? I dont see anyone willing.

 

[Rob R]

Still wont be enough to pay for the level of service people want.

Who gets a tax raise to pay for it? I dont see anyone willing.

Will be a big improvement and we are already overtaxed.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

Will be a big improvement and we are already overtaxed.

So if you don't want extra taxes how are you paying for it? Because cutting things left right and centre is short term thinking.

You're not improving. You're robbing Peter to pay Paul.

 

[eddiesmith]

Won't stop emotional locals showing up and getting angry though.

Which in the long term doesn't help anyone.


People want better services yet won't accept higher taxes to pay for it.
You could cancel every single infrastructure project and it still wouldn't be enough.

So the question is how are you paying for it? Who pays more? Are you willing to pay more tax Eddie?

The same people complaining about old fire trucks are the same people complain about the Emergency Services Levy.

The reality is everyone expects someone else to pay for it.

The problem with the Emergency services levy, is Jacinta talked it up as investing in CFA and yet despite its huge increase on the old fire services levy, they’re receiving less than they did last year…

Actually they could cut 1 infrastructure project and it would fund the CFA for life…

 

[eddiesmith]

lots of wasteful and/or lower priority expenditure the government should be cutting/deferring or not have wasted money on - ever bloating senior exec levels in public service, junkets, marketing, consultants, reviews intended to create perception or action, commonwealth games, srl, dodgy contracts to donors, treaty etc

I don’t think these people realise that the Comms games fiasco cost more than the entire annual CFA budget…

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

The problem with the Emergency services levy, is Jacinta talked it up as investing in CFA and yet despite its huge increase on the old fire services levy, they’re receiving less than they did last year…

Actually they could cut 1 infrastructure project and it would fund the CFA for life…

Not really.

Given you want to cut SRL. That's more cars on the road. That's more damage to the road, that's more pollution.
That's more money spent to keep the road up to bare minimum. That's more people presenting to GPs, hospitals and requiring treatment.

Sure you get a nice little short term sugar hit by binning it. Long term though? More road maintenance costs and more healthcare costs.

 

[Rob R]

So if you don't want extra taxes how are you paying for it? Because cutting things left right and centre is short term thinking.

You're not improving. You're robbing Peter to pay Paul.

No they are cutting waste on an ongoing basis. As an example, there are 1000 extra senior executive public servants since 2019. Just getting rid of half of them won't impact services at all - in fact will probably improve them l and will save at least 20.million per year, probably more but I would use the savings in EAs, staff officers etc to fund front line staff.

100 million a year on marketing can be cut to focus only on critical information about how to access services and safety rather than what are essentially taxpayer funded adverts for the party in government of the day.

Avoiding wasteful projects like Commonwealth games, ewl, srl will save billions.

pollies perks more millions.

Scrap some of the outsourcing that happened.

All these savings should be done before any tax is raised. if we then have to raise taxes fine, hit airbnb more, put a levy on every rental given to non citizens to fund more social housing.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

No they are cutting waste on an ongoing basis. As an example, there are 1000 extra senior executive public servants since 2019. Just getting rid of half of them won't impact services at all - in fact will probably improve them l and will save at least 20.million per year, probably more but I would use the savings in EAs, staff officers etc to fund front line staff.

When you cut people the workload doesn't disappear. It just ends up with more work for less people.
Now if you're getting lumped with extra work you're not going to accept the same wage are you? You're either going to ask for a pay increase or leave.
Both cost money.
The government is fighting the private sector for talent and wages do have to be competitive

100 million a year on marketing can be cut to focus only on critical information about how to access services and safety rather than what are essentially taxpayer funded adverts for the party in government of the day.

Advertising like that exists now. Some of it can be cut yes.

Avoiding wasteful projects like Commonwealth games, ewl, srl will save billions.

Things like that though have long term benefits. Some more than others.
The F1 for instance we pay 100 million and get something like 260-300 million in benefits.

pollies perks more millions.

I think everyone would agree there.

Scrap some of the outsourcing that happened.

That would mean hiring more public servants. Rendering your plan to cut executive public servants moot.

 

[eddiesmith]

Not really.

Given you want to cut SRL. That's more cars on the road. That's more damage to the road, that's more pollution.
That's more money spent to keep the road up to bare minimum. That's more people presenting to GPs, hospitals and requiring treatment.

Sure you get a nice little short term sugar hit by binning it. Long term though? More road maintenance costs and more healthcare costs.

lol, that’s the funniest argument yet, we won’t save $150 billion, it’ll get spent on more road maintenance and more people going to hospital if people can’t catch a train from Deakin to Monash…

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

lol, that’s the funniest argument yet, we won’t save $150 billion, it’ll get spent on more road maintenance and more people going to hospital if people can’t catch a train from Deakin to Monash…

It will though.

Better public transport means people are less likely to drive thier car. That's less vehicles on the road. Less vehicles on the road is less wear and tear and pollution.

Or don't cars wear out roads and pollute?