Chris Minns

[Jameggins]

Yep!

The bloke was clearly resisting arrest for some reason. Do you know what reason the police had?

As I've inferred before, these police officers know they are getting filmed in 4K from 18 different angles, so them sticking the boot in for no reason might have flown back in the Roger Rogerson era, but not today.

I reckon it's better to assume that the coppers had a reason, rather than laughable Rodney King comparisons that some morons have suggested.

Rubbish. Is this like how the cop who assaulted Hannah Thomas must have had a reason, and that's why the cops refused to do anything about them, and actively defended them and tried to charge her? He was only charged because she was able to get the media behind her because she had a profile.

NSW police are among the worst in the world.

 

[spinynorman]

Yep!

The bloke was clearly resisting arrest for some reason. Do you know what reason the police had?

As I've inferred before, these police officers know they are getting filmed in 4K from 18 different angles, so them sticking the boot in for no reason might have flown back in the Roger Rogerson era, but not today.

I reckon it's better to assume that the coppers had a reason, rather than laughable Rodney King comparisons that some morons have suggested.

"These police officers know they're being filmed by lots of people, so therefore any instance of them being filmed doing something that looks like they're being unreasonable mustn't be right."

Cool logic.

 

[spinynorman]

Really good to hear the Labor backbencher (didn’t catch his name) talking to Hamish McDonald on ABC Sydney just now, and standing his ground against the gaslighting of Cayley and Minns, his own leaders. (Doubt he’ll be offered a ministry any time soon.)

McDonald (who I usually think is pretty good) is either a bit thick, or pushing the devil’s advocate approach way too far, but he seemed genuinely uncomprehending that just because the protesters defied police orders to disperse (even that is questionable given the kettling), that that doesn’t then give the cops carte blanch to bash the daylights out of anyone. The concept of proportionality (which the Labor MP repeatedly invoked) seemed entirely new to MacDonald.

It was Anthony D'Adam. It's worth noting that in May 2024 he raised concerns in parliament about excessive force from the police to pro-Palestine protestors. Minns sacked him from his role as a parliamentary secretary, without any investigation into the merits of his complaint. After what happened with Hannah Thomas and now this, you'd think there might be some consideration about whether he's been vindicated. Instead, the Police Minister Yasmin Catley attacked him, a member of her own caucus, in parliament today:

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

It was Anthony D'Adam. It's worth noting that in May 2024 he raised concerns in parliament about excessive force from the police to pro-Palestine protestors. Minns sacked him from his role as a parliamentary secretary, without any investigation into the merits of his complaint. After what happened with Hannah Thomas and now this, you'd think there might be some consideration about whether he's been vindicated. Instead, the Police Minister Yasmin Catley attacked him, a member of her own caucus, in parliament today:

Great to see he's not intimidated by their gaslighting.

Have to say, NSW Labor has a lot more diversity of opinion (the full gamut - from decent people like him speaking the truth, to devious senior pollies - like Catley and Minns - refusing to speak the truth to the voters of NSW) than its federal counterpart.

 

[FIGJAM]

"These police officers know they're being filmed by lots of people, so therefore any instance of them being filmed doing something that looks like they're being unreasonable mustn't be right."

Cool logic.

And what is your "logic"?

That Minns and/or Commissioner Bush issued directives for the police to use undue force protecting lines just for this one protest?

When you're confronted with comparisons with Rodney King, George Floyd ICE, all whilst the protesters were just a bunch of chillin' innocents, then you know you're arguing against a bubble where logic went out the door years ago.

NSW police are among the worst in the world.

Pfffft!!! It's not 1986 anymore mate. And even if it was, that statement would still be idiotic.

 

[Jameggins]

Pfffft!!! It's not 1986 anymore mate. And even if it was, that statement would still be idiotic.

Idiotic is talking like you know anything. This is the force where the commissioner came out and said they saw nothing wrong with footage of an innocent person being punched in the face by a cop, tried to charge the victim until it was thrown out and the DPP charged the cop. Despite serious assault charges, the cop has not been suspended.

This is the force that had its commissioner claim they needed to be able to strip search children.

This is the force that has a history of using violence against protesters.

NSW police is among the worst in the world.

 

[FIGJAM]

NSW police is among the worst in the world.

Have you even left Australia at any juncture?

 

[Jameggins]

Have you even left Australia at any juncture?

Sure have. I notice you don't want to talk about any examples that don't fit your narrative that they are perfect and that we should worship them.

 

[FIGJAM]

Sure have. I notice you don't want to talk about any examples that don't fit your narrative that they are perfect and that we should worship them.

Nobody is stating that the NSW coppers are perfect, or any Aussie police force for that matter!

But take a step back; there have probably been more protests this decade, in Sydney and Melbourne especially, that have occurred in the rest of our lifetimes combined! And there has been next to no issues. Some issues, sure, but most of them have gone off without many concerns at all.

And when things have gone wrong, it's not like the protesters themselves are completely devoid of pushing boundaries, whether anti-lockdown morons, neo-Nazi dipshits and yes, even pro-Palestine protesters.

On the flipside, we're not even a month from Iran literally murdering protesters in the street, but our forces are among the worst in the world? Then we have Rodney King and ICE comparisons. Give us a ****en' break!

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Nobody is stating that the NSW coppers are perfect, or any Aussie police force for that matter!

But take a step back; there have probably been more protests this decade, in Sydney and Melbourne especially, that have occurred in the rest of our lifetimes combined! And there has been next to no issues. Some issues, sure, but most of them have gone off without many concerns at all.

And when things have gone wrong, it's not like the protesters themselves are completely devoid of pushing boundaries, whether anti-lockdown morons, neo-Nazi dipshits and yes, even pro-Palestine protesters.

On the flipside, we're not even a month from Iran literally murdering protesters in the street, but our forces are among the worst in the world? Then we have Rodney King and ICE comparisons. Give us a ****en' break!

What?

I assume you have some evidence of that?

Probably need a definition of "next to no issues" and "without many concerns" as well, cheers.

 

[FIGJAM]

I assume you have some evidence of that?

I was born in 76 and can't think of any causes pre-2020 that fuelled as many heated protests as COVID and the Israel / Gaza war, but happy for you to provide evidence to the contrary.

Melbourne rallies were held weekly in Melbourne for 97 consecutive weeks until being wound back to monthly after the latest ceasefire.

Based on this now dated article and allowing for marches since, there have been close to 1000 pro-Palestine protests in Australia:

'Remarkable': How Gaza protests unfolded in Australia and around the world

Australia is considered a "low protest country" but it has held some of the biggest pro-Palestinian protests in the world. Explore how Gaza protests have unfolded in our interactive map.

www.sbs.com.au

Either way, I think the coppers have done a good job in Australia on the whole. The desire to paint us as being in some sort of police state with a bunch of thug coppers is not only over the top, but disrespectful to those officers who have overseen such a high number of protests with minimal instances of trouble.

So when there is a sniff of some conflict, the inference that the coppers are engaging in "Rodney King" incidents, are being deployed like ICE and that the "NSW police is among the worst in the world", needs to be called out for the bullshit that it is.

 

[geoffjennings79]

And yet both police and protesters mingled happily at the Melbourne protest. It's hard to put a finger on why... might have something to do with the current Vic Police Commissioner, and VicPol not attacking people protesting peacefully? The footage from Sydney almost exclusively shows violence being initiated and enacted by police. In an age where everyone has a smart phone, and all major news services were present. Someone's done a great job of suppressing all the alleged provocation or evidence of protesters with weapons in Sydney... or maybe there just wasn't much, if any?

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

I was born in 76 and can't think of any causes pre-2020 that fuelled as many heated protests as COVID and the Israel / Gaza war, but happy for you to provide evidence to the contrary.

No, that isn't how it works. You made the claim and your recollection appears to be the only evidence you have.

There's protests and then there's protests. A couple of dozen people sitting on the steps of Parliament House shouldn't be included in the same category as a demonstration that closes Bourke Street.

Even our media might think it's a bit much if people sitting on a deck chair holding a "Free Palestine" sign got a random spear tackle from a police officer for their trouble

 

[Ghost Patrol]

I was born in 76 and can't think of any causes pre-2020 that fuelled as many heated protests as COVID and the Israel / Gaza war, but happy for you to provide evidence to the contrary.

Melbourne rallies were held weekly in Melbourne for 97 consecutive weeks until being wound back to monthly after the latest ceasefire.

Based on this now dated article and allowing for marches since, there have been close to 1000 pro-Palestine protests in Australia:

'Remarkable': How Gaza protests unfolded in Australia and around the world

Australia is considered a "low protest country" but it has held some of the biggest pro-Palestinian protests in the world. Explore how Gaza protests have unfolded in our interactive map.

www.sbs.com.au

Either way, I think the coppers have done a good job in Australia on the whole. The desire to paint us as being in some sort of police state with a bunch of thug coppers is not only over the top, but disrespectful to those officers who have overseen such a high number of protests with minimal instances of trouble.

So when there is a sniff of some conflict, the inference that the coppers are engaging in "Rodney King" incidents, are being deployed like ICE and that the "NSW police is among the worst in the world", needs to be called out for the bullshit that it is.

It's weird watching people from generation X turn into Harold Bishop.

 

[ferball]

On the flipside, we're not even a month from Iran literally murdering protesters in the street, but our forces are among the worst in the world? Then we have Rodney King and ICE comparisons. Give us a ****en' break!

Bashing the **** out of a harmless little kid then charging him is a very "Rodney King" thing for coppers to do.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Bashing the **** out of a harmless little kid then charging him is a very "Rodney King" thing for coppers to do.

Strip searching kids that are lined up at NSW music festivals is the Jeffrey Epstein of Rodney Kings.

 

[FIGJAM]

But take a step back; there have probably been more protests this decade, in Sydney and Melbourne especially, that have occurred in the rest of our lifetimes combined!

No, that isn't how it works. You made the claim and your recollection appears to be the only evidence you have.

I don't need any evidence for a probabilistic statement and therefore recollection is just fine.

I've introduced some stats now, so please provide me with those topics that show 1000 protests for the one topic. The Tent Embassy is one, which has been going longer than my lifetime, but I'm talking in addition to that. What has gone close?

 

[FIGJAM]

And yet both police and protesters mingled happily at the Melbourne protest. It's hard to put a finger on why... might have something to do with the current Vic Police Commissioner, and VicPol not attacking people protesting peacefully? The footage from Sydney almost exclusively shows violence being initiated and enacted by police. In an age where everyone has a smart phone, and all major news services were present. Someone's done a great job of suppressing all the alleged provocation or evidence of protesters with weapons in Sydney... or maybe there just wasn't much, if any?

I'd suggest the great job of suppressing the aggression by protesters has been done by the algorithm in your feed from videos mostly uploaded by pro-Palestinian protesters.

The NSW police have claimed and charged people with assault, threats, projectile throwing, abuse and intentional breaking of lines, then I'm sure their body cam footage will very much come in handy.

I'm happy to change my mind in light of the police's cameras showing completely unprovoked attacks by the same law enforcement that has overseen around 100 other protests, but for now, I think trial by social media uploads is idiotic.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

Based on this now dated article and allowing for marches since, there have been close to 1000 pro-Palestine protests in Australia:

I think this has been one of the flaws with the pro Palestine cause. Theyve over done the protests.

What had more impact? The one big one over the Harbour Bridge or the 100 small ones down Swanston Street every Sunday

 

[SSwans2011]

I'd suggest the great job of suppressing the aggression by protesters has been done by the algorithm in your feed from videos mostly uploaded by pro-Palestinian protesters.

The NSW police have claimed and charged people with assault, threats, projectile throwing, abuse and intentional breaking of lines, then I'm sure their body cam footage will very much come in handy.

I'm happy to change my mind in light of the police's cameras showing completely unprovoked attacks by the same law enforcement that has overseen around 100 other protests, but for now, I think trial by social media uploads is idiotic.

Lol wind your neck in. My feed is half videos of police finals and half deranged pro-police violence posts and I'm still yet to see any instances of protesters initiating violence.

I'm sure you, with your evidently very neutral and balanced feed, can enlighten us with some examples?

 

[SSwans2011]

Also it's not like police body cam footage validated the other footage of an officer viciously assaulting Hannah Thomas without provocation last year or anything.

It's completely unimaginable that the same thing could happen again. It must be those big bad social media algorithms that have historically been shown to platform right-wing views more than left-wing views only showing one side of the story.

 

[Jameggins]

The NSW police have claimed and charged people with assault, threats, projectile throwing, abuse and intentional breaking of lines, then I'm sure their body cam footage will very much come in handy.

You mean like they did with Hannah Thomas and other protesters? Turned out those claims were only retaliation for complaints about the assault carried out by one of the violent thugs in the NSW police force.

 

[Not Important]

yep. an apology that wasn't an apology. interesting that the showing of resistance elsewhere didn't meet the level of uniformed thuggery it did in nsw. another mad monk in labor clothes.

 

[Not Important]

takes quite a bit to stir up a quietly spoken temperate man like peter. can we now call minns a fascist?

"Perhaps a special award can be granted to the police officer who, on seeing a woman convulsing on the ground from the effects of pepper spray, proceeded to spray her twice more.

And then there’s the officers we see repeatedly punching a man they have pinned to the tram tracks.

And the officers who did the same, repeatedly, kidney-punching a protester with a bicycle.

Or the officers who assaulted men praying in a quiet part of the square. Men who’d been given permission to do that by the NSW police.

These police were spoiling for a fight. Some had jaws set, others chewed on gum with an almost manic intensity before attacking. It was like they were itching for a fight."

"I was among the protesters attacked by police" – Senior journalist - The Klaxon

Senior journalist was among those attacked by police at the protest against the visit by Israel President Issac Herzog. "We were assaulted on the streets of our town by police itching for a fight," writes Peter Lalor.

theklaxon.com.au

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

But take a step back; there have probably been more protests this decade, in Sydney and Melbourne especially, that have occurred in the rest of our lifetimes combined! And there has been next to no issues. Some issues, sure, but most of them have gone off without many concerns at all.

Guess you're too young to have heard of this li'l ol' thing called the Vietnam War?

Apartheid South Africa?

Gay rights?

Campaign for nuclear disarmament?