Official Club Stuff Carlton Academy - Next Gen & Father/Son/Daughter Discussion II

[Juddernaut08]

There are two main issues with the changes to the rules.

1) whether they agree with the decision
2) whether they agree with how the decision is implemented

Decision
I think we can all see there are multiple angles to 1). There's obvious reasons why the f/s and academies benefit the game, and this has to be weighed up against the strength of the draft as an equalisation tool.

Implementation
On the flipside - the shoddy Implementation of the rule change cannot be defended.

I think we're all expecting to be pissed off with how it will be implemented. Without an announcement at least 2 years in advance, clubs can't effectively plan out their drafting and trading strategies. It's like the F1 announcing midseason rule changes which only affect a handful of teams.

It wouldn't go down well in any other sport. It doesn't go down well in ours.

 

[TheReal99prelim]

I think its very clear there was a degree of resentment, given that prior to St Kilda being involved, he was considering comparable offers from rival clubs like Collingwood and the Western Bulldogs.

IMHO, Jack was always going to StK. I think the deal was hatched long before.

Can't think of a more "suspicious" set of circumstances where:
1. Your father is the list manager
2. Your "uncle/godfather" is the coach
3. You are offered approximately 200k more + an extra year compared to the next closest offer
The Coll "first date" was nothing more than an organised distraction or attempt to make it look as though he was shopping around or even possibly, to annoy Carlton that he could play for the arch enemy, all premeditated of course (IMHO)

Carlton, Coll and WB all had contracts around 600-650k over 4 years

StK (cough cough) gave him 800+ over 5 years

To me, the Silvagni name can be consigned to history

 

[ferrisb]

This was a great opinion piece regarding the possible decision to restrict F/S, Academies, NGAs.

Really? It was over 1,000 words to the effect of 'Hands off the Northern academies, they are good for the game!'.

Argument: Make us pay fair price and we won't bother investing in the academies. And if we don't invest, then we will lose talent to other sports. And if we don't have home-grown talent, the game will falter at the grass-roots level.

He's not wrong on any of that, but it's also total BS. He doesn't want to pay fair/full price for access to academy talent. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[ferrisb]

Giants push to be 'considered differently' in draft bidding revamp

Dave Matthews calls on the AFL to help raise Academy numbers in the Giants' region and believes they should be treated differently to other northern clubs

www.afl.com.au

Not official, but article suggests changes could be

• Clubs to match bids with their next two picks
• The removal of the 10% discount
• Likely points loading depending on ladder position
• FA compo likely to be delayed to after pick 10

 

[Stamos]

Likely points loading depending on ladder position

This is already done by the allocation of picks according to ladder position.

The management of the AFL seem to lack intelligence.

 

[marcmurphy3]

This is already done by the allocation of picks according to ladder position.

The management of the AFL seem to lack intelligence.

Yep. Why should a team lower down the ladder get a bigger discount? They already have better picks to match. There are already several equalisation measures. FS/Academy doesnt need to be another.

I dont think alot of these AFL execs would fare well in the private sector. Just need to be the brighest dummie to standout at AFL house.

That said, we could have fought this alot harder and a lot uglier. Look at how the Saints used the media to get their way. We are a pretty soft club in that regard. To nervous to annoy AFL house.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Giants push to be 'considered differently' in draft bidding revamp

Dave Matthews calls on the AFL to help raise Academy numbers in the Giants' region and believes they should be treated differently to other northern clubs

www.afl.com.au

Not official, but article suggests changes could be

• Clubs to match bids with their next two picks
• The removal of the 10% discount
• Likely points loading depending on ladder position
• FA compo likely to be delayed to after pick 10

What does "points loading depending on ladder position" mean. I.e like if you finish 1st, even if you have traded for Pick #5, your Pick #5 is worth less than if a team that finished 18th had that Pick #5, is that way that mean? If so that is insane.


Whatever the outcome - we can guarantee that: Carlton will suffer the worst, and the Gold Coast, Brisbane and Sydney will continue to be given handouts.

 

[BlueBlood15]

IMHO, Jack was always going to StK. I think the deal was hatched long before.

Can't think of a more "suspicious" set of circumstances where:
1. Your father is the list manager
2. Your "uncle/godfather" is the coach
3. You are offered approximately 200k more + an extra year compared to the next closest offer
The Coll "first date" was nothing more than an organised distraction or attempt to make it look as though he was shopping around or even possibly, to annoy Carlton that he could play for the arch enemy, all premeditated of course (IMHO)

Carlton, Coll and WB all had contracts around 600-650k over 4 years

StK (cough cough) gave him 800+ over 5 years

To me, the Silvagni name can be consigned to history

I’ve got a bridge to sell to anyone who thinks St Kilda’s offer to JSOS was a genuine 11th hour bid. The Collingwood and Dogs interest was legitimate but it was all completely stage managed to legitimise the outcome of ending up with his old man and Ross on an overs contract at the Aints.

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

Giants push to be 'considered differently' in draft bidding revamp

Dave Matthews calls on the AFL to help raise Academy numbers in the Giants' region and believes they should be treated differently to other northern clubs

www.afl.com.au

Not official, but article suggests changes could be

• Clubs to match bids with their next two picks
• The removal of the 10% discount
• Likely points loading depending on ladder position
• FA compo likely to be delayed to after pick 10

Looking like they're doing more to assist clubs permanently attached to the bottom of the ladder.
Current Free Agency rules crucify lower ranking teams.
Just hope it all gets implemented after this year

 

[teddy-hopkins]

Take off your duffle coats and stop whining about fairness, the AFL is bigger than Victoria

Some clubs, including my old team Richmond, say the academy system doesn’t pass the pub test. Here’s my message to the AFL Commission as they consider the rules.

www.theage.com.au

"Wednesday (Today) the AFL Commission is expected to decide the rules for acquisition of players from the northern academies, next-generation academies and father-son selections"

This was a great opinion piece regarding the possible decision to restrict F/S, Academies, NGAs.

He's making a giant leap to say that without the academy the players would have played another sport. He's already mentioned there's more AFL participation in Qld than SA or WA. Yet he's then wanting us to believe that the best players from this enormous participation would go to rugby if it weren't for an academy? At some point we have to accept Queensland in particular is now so successful that we can't lock all those players to 2 clubs and hope to maintain an equitable competition. The advantage is too great.

One club can't get 8 first round draft picks in 3 years while everyone else gets 3. Let that roll over the next 20 years and they'll be winning 9 of every 10 premierships.

 

[ctwenty1]

He's making a giant leap to say that without the academy the players would have played another sport. He's already mentioned there's more AFL participation in Qld than SA or WA. Yet he's then wanting us to believe that the best players from this enormous participation would go to rugby if it weren't for an academy? At some point we have to accept Queensland in particular is now so successful that we can't lock all those players to 2 clubs and hope to maintain an equitable competition. The advantage is too great.

One club can't get 8 first round draft picks in 3 years while everyone else gets 3. Let that roll over the next 20 years and they'll be winning 9 of every 10 premierships.

This

And I would argue that the true test of the success of the academies is not that the players remain in QLD, but that they are happy to play wherever.

 

[toddkurnski]

Giants push to be 'considered differently' in draft bidding revamp

Dave Matthews calls on the AFL to help raise Academy numbers in the Giants' region and believes they should be treated differently to other northern clubs

www.afl.com.au

Not official, but article suggests changes could be

• Clubs to match bids with their next two picks
• The removal of the 10% discount
• Likely points loading depending on ladder position
• FA compo likely to be delayed to after pick 10

When I did my scenario planning, the first two dot points if incorporated made bids at pick 1 and 2 almost impossible... Essentially a lock out. If true clubs would be paying the equivalent of a Judd like Trade... for someone who has yet to play a game. Unreasonable and ludicrous.

Brisbane, Pies, Bulldogs and Suns laughing all the way to the bank for the next decade with the players they got and the priced they paid.

The club absolutely must push back on this, we will have gone from deep discounts (unacceptable for sure) to an exhorbitant tax that locks clubs out of the best F/S.

 

[Canyouhearthedrums]

What does "points loading depending on ladder position" mean. I.e like if you finish 1st, even if you have traded for Pick #5, your Pick #5 is worth less than if a team that finished 18th had that Pick #5, is that way that mean? If so that is insane.


Whatever the outcome - we can guarantee that: Carlton will suffer the worst, and the Gold Coast, Brisbane and Sydney will continue to be given handouts.

The clubs know the broad outline of the changes, but not the specific detail yet. So it’s largely still speculation at this stage.

 

[Stamos]

The "imminent" changes coming to AFL father-son ruling

The AFL Commission has confirmed that changes to the draft will come in this year.

sen.com.au

Mother****ers

 

[Gabagool]

The most frustrating part for me:

“Just as you get your first crack at it (it changes). This is after Brisbane have had theirs, Gold Coast have had theirs, the Western Bulldogs have had theirs, and Collingwood have had theirs.”

Really sucks for both Port and us.

 

[Donflicted]

Pretty laughable that they wait till the year of 2026 where the blues have already put plans in place to get walker then also delay the announcement by 2 weeks

Great sport awful league

Not a trolling post fyi just kinda realized that this could be taken the wrong way

 

[Stamos]

Pretty laughable that they wait till the year of 2026 where the blues have already put plans in place to get walker then also delay the announcement by 2 weeks

Great sport awful league

The very best people at the AFL are mediocre.
Most of them are incompetent.

 

[Donflicted]

The very best people at the AFL are mediocre.
Most of them are incompetent.

Like Politicians seem to be the biggest idiots in charge

Ironic too that Swan decided all this after he left Brisbane hopefully they leave some kind of discounts for bottom 8 teams the issue wasnt the NGA or F/S itself it was that clubs at the top didnt have to pay much

 

[Bletch]

Pretty laughable that they wait till the year of 2026 where the blues have already put plans in place to get walker then also delay the announcement by 2 weeks

Great sport awful league

Not a trolling post fyi just kinda realized that this could be taken the wrong way

Will affect you lot as well with young Bewick coming in next year. At least you'll have this year's trade period to prepare for it.

 

[Donflicted]

Will affect you lot as well with young Bewick coming in next year. At least you'll have this year's trade period to prepare for it.

Yeah it is plus Rodan and Darwish that year as well and Blake Justice this year

I have no doubts you will still get Walker

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

Yeah it is plus Rodan and Darwish that year as well and Blake Justice this year

I have no doubts you will still get Walker

It's been mentioned before, but it may make sense for our clubs to effectively help each other out by trading Carlton's 2027 first round pick for Essendon's 2026 first round pick.....although the Merrett situation may change things significantly for you.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

The very best people at the AFL are mediocre.
Most of them are incompetent.

I honestly don't think those at the AFL have near the brain capacity as many posters on BF.

How many times have we seen these knee jerk decisions put in place only to be exploited by coaches and players to get around them. Even Swann only last week admitted that "it's probably one we didn't contemplate" after the Grundy farce in that practice game. Do they even contemplate the potential outcomes of a rule change when they formulate them, or just leave it to others to work out who are better equipped?

I have zero doubt they're about to go scorched earth on the draft changes now that their nepos up north are sorted - but also anticipate that they'll relax the rule again in a few years after backlash from clubs, and they've realised they've tightened the restrictions too far.

In between times, it appears we're about to get reamed.

 

[no fate]

The "imminent" changes coming to AFL father-son ruling

The AFL Commission has confirmed that changes to the draft will come in this year.

sen.com.au

Mother****ers

Watch for AFL to set the rules at end of the season so that our two first round picks will be used up for Walker, i.e. the better our picks the higher the price will be, but we’ll still get him. This way they hope we will accept and no legal challenge. Such a vile and corrupt organisation.

 

[GoBlues!]

The "imminent" changes coming to AFL father-son ruling

The AFL Commission has confirmed that changes to the draft will come in this year.

sen.com.au

Mother****ers

Bet if it was Suns, Swans, Brisbane with elite F/S the AFL would have found a way to defer the changes for another year...

On you Swanny, ya cockroach..

 

[Chemical]

Take the AFL to court. Easy win.