Autopsy Saints v Dees

[EddieMurphy]

Silvagni, Wilkie and Tauru are to samey. Like our forward line who seem to have too much of the same.

Doogs for Cammo, Cammo to fwd line. Taru?

 

[mad-saint-guy]

Bulk doesn't mean strength just means he has added weight, he has no muscle definition at all ala Ckark.

I really want Keeler to succeed because his skills are awesome for such a big unit but I think he'd be physically dominated by Stocker if they were matched up in the goal square for a game. Keeler would have him covered on the lead but Stocker would annihilate him if it was bombed on their heads. The lower body/core strength just isn't there.

 

[Mav3rick]

I'd give a bit of time for the four tall defenders to work, they're still getting used to each other and we can rotate one through the bench a bit more if needed. But the idea of King coming back and having four tall backs, three tall forwards (King, Sharman, Owens) and two rucks is a bit concerning. Don't think that setup adheres to our fast game style. One might need the chop in that scenario.

 

[bergholt]

Alix is averaging 1 tackle per game so far in 2026. Love his energy but we need skill to go with that. The dropped sitter chest mark was a killer.

we're judging a young key back by his tackle count now?

 

[Sully111]

Orrrrrrrr

Tauru could go forward and light up the competition

 

[Sarcoidevo]

Alix is averaging 1 tackle per game so far in 2026. Love his energy but we need skill to go with that. The dropped sitter chest mark was a killer.

Was that the one when he was near on someone's shoulders?

 

[gringo2011]

Orrrrrrrr

Tauru could go forward and light up the competition

Probably needs to play outside the backline but then we have too many third tall size forwards. Might need Michito on ball to fit him.

 

[pluggeranddoc]

We will be 0-10, win the last 13 games come 10th and win the flag from there.
Just put a lazy lobster on it.

Only one good thing if that happens, maybe Bassat would see the snake oil salesman for what he really is!

 

[Joffaboy]

Heard they trained the house down yesterday

 

[SG34]

….

A number of positional moves rankled with me last week.

• Keeler not forward enough (too much time on the bench and not enough time on the ground forward with Sharman and Owens)
• Owens into the ruck (defeats the entire purpose of signing TDK and playing a recognised ruck at all times)
• Swapping a tall forward back (Keeler and Sharman both have some key defence experience - could have swung one of them around with Caminiti, Silvagni or Tauru)
• Just moving NWM to half-back

Interesting points Punter.
I have always been interested in what the forum DOES not talk about as much as what they talk about. Mitchito Owens as St Kilda’s main relief-ruckman over the years is one of them. People just rarely mention it, because perhaps, it doesn’t fit the narrative we want; i.e. Marshall and TDK rotating, or Keeler and TDK, or if (and when) TDK goes down, Marshall and Keeler.
This time I asked AI. (This should infuriate some..good) and I can’t disagree with what it says, ‘Owens is a strength mongrel and can make the ball hit the deck and then become a ruck-rover bulldozer ‘
Anyway, for your pleasure, (You and I and GEMINI…ooohh)

Why Mitchito Owens is still the backup ruckman
Despite standing about 7cm shorter than Keeler, Mitchito Owens is frequently used as the backup ruck because of his competitive profile:

• Strength in the Contest: Owens’ standout attribute is his strength and "flair" in the contest. Unlike a developing Keeler, Owens is already physically capable of holding his own against larger opponents in short bursts.
• Ground-Level Impact: When the ball hits the ground after a ruck contest, Owens effectively becomes an extra midfielder. His aerial ability allows him to compete for the tap, while his follow-up work is superior to most traditional or developing talls.
• Versatility Requirements: St Kilda’s coaching staff, led by Ross Lyon, values Owens as a "utility" who can impact the game across multiple lines. Until Keeler fully develops the "tank" and strength to manage long AFL stints, Owens remains the more reliable, battle-hardened option for secondary ruck duties.
  saints.com.au

Height	198 cm	191 cm
Ruck Style	Leap-based, mobile tall	Strength-based, "extra mid"
Current Status	Developing prospect	Established key target/utility
Key Limitation	Physical strength/endurance	Height disadvantage

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Isaac Keeler​

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Mitchito Owens​

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[beside the seaside]

Interesting points Punter.
I have always been interested in what the forum DOES not talk about as much as what they talk about. Mitchito Owens as St Kilda’s main relief-ruckman over the years is one of them. People just rarely mention it, because perhaps, it doesn’t fit the narrative we want; i.e. Marshall and TDK rotating, or Keeler and TDK, or if (and when) TDK goes down, Marshall and Keeler.
This time I asked AI. (This should infuriate some..good) and I can’t disagree with what it says, ‘Owens is a strength mongrel and can make the ball hit the deck and then become a ruck-rover bulldozer ‘
Anyway, for your pleasure, (You and I and GEMINI…ooohh)

Why Mitchito Owens is still the backup ruckman
Despite standing about 7cm shorter than Keeler, Mitchito Owens is frequently used as the backup ruck because of his competitive profile:

• Strength in the Contest: Owens’ standout attribute is his strength and "flair" in the contest. Unlike a developing Keeler, Owens is already physically capable of holding his own against larger opponents in short bursts.
• Ground-Level Impact: When the ball hits the ground after a ruck contest, Owens effectively becomes an extra midfielder. His aerial ability allows him to compete for the tap, while his follow-up work is superior to most traditional or developing talls.
• Versatility Requirements: St Kilda’s coaching staff, led by Ross Lyon, values Owens as a "utility" who can impact the game across multiple lines. Until Keeler fully develops the "tank" and strength to manage long AFL stints, Owens remains the more reliable, battle-hardened option for secondary ruck duties.
  saints.com.au

Height	198 cm	191 cm
Ruck Style	Leap-based, mobile tall	Strength-based, "extra mid"
Current Status	Developing prospect	Established key target/utility
Key Limitation	Physical strength/endurance	Height disadvantage

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Feature

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Isaac Keeler

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Mitchito Owens

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Ironically, ChatGPT would be getting much of that info from this forum.

 

[phantom13]

Just signed a new contract.... maybe 1 mil over 3 years?

Least he’s earning the money.

Folks need to settle down.. We've not even played on our home turf yet..

You’re right, thank GOD they don’t play finals at the G

 

[SG34]

Ironically, ChatGPT would be getting much of that info from this forum.

would it?

I have NEVER read a single post about why Owens get chosen to ruck on this forum (so cudos to Punter for mentioning it) I have never read anyone saying why he is a good ruck choice. But I guess it infers somehow. More likely, we will say something like, TDK and Marshall and Keeler. In fact, even mentioning it gets people annoyed. That is funny in a way.

 

[Veer Right]

ChatGPT

why did st kilda lose to melbourne when they should of belted them?

blah blah

give me a nasty answer to my question

Alright, you want nasty—here it is:


St Kilda Football Club didn’t “lose a game they should’ve won”—they did exactly what St Kilda does best: talk themselves up, waste chances, and then fold the second it matters.


They probably strutted in thinking Melbourne Football Club would just roll over. Instead, Melbourne actually showed up with structure and composure, while the Saints did their usual routine—spray easy shots, butcher the ball going forward, and panic under pressure.


It’s not bad luck. It’s not a fluke. It’s a pattern.


Good teams bury opponents. St Kilda gives them CPR.

 

[Ekomaira]

ChatGPT

why did st kilda lose to melbourne when they should of belted them?

blah blah

give me a nasty answer to my question

Alright, you want nasty—here it is:


St Kilda Football Club didn’t “lose a game they should’ve won”—they did exactly what St Kilda does best: talk themselves up, waste chances, and then fold the second it matters.


They probably strutted in thinking Melbourne Football Club would just roll over. Instead, Melbourne actually showed up with structure and composure, while the Saints did their usual routine—spray easy shots, butcher the ball going forward, and panic under pressure.


It’s not bad luck. It’s not a fluke. It’s a pattern.


Good teams bury opponents. St Kilda gives them CPR.

 

[Sneh]

ChatGPT

why did st kilda lose to melbourne when they should of belted them?

blah blah

give me a nasty answer to my question

Alright, you want nasty—here it is:


St Kilda Football Club didn’t “lose a game they should’ve won”—they did exactly what St Kilda does best: talk themselves up, waste chances, and then fold the second it matters.


They probably strutted in thinking Melbourne Football Club would just roll over. Instead, Melbourne actually showed up with structure and composure, while the Saints did their usual routine—spray easy shots, butcher the ball going forward, and panic under pressure.


It’s not bad luck. It’s not a fluke. It’s a pattern.


Good teams bury opponents. St Kilda gives them CPR.

Did ChatGPT scrape it's answer from the Bay?

 

[Veer Right]

Did ChatGPT scrape it's answer from the Bay?

WHERE DID YOU GET YOUR INFORMATION FOR THE PREVIOUS QUESTION

I didn’t pull that from a specific article or source—I based it on general AFL knowledge and common patterns in how teams like St Kilda Football Club and Melbourne Football Club tend to play.

Things like:

• goal-kicking accuracy
• inside 50 efficiency
• defensive structure
• momentum swings

…are standard factors analysts use to explain results in the Australian Football League.

So that “nasty” answer wasn’t tied to a specific match report—it was more of a blunt, opinionated take based on typical criticisms of St Kilda’s performances.

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Even the AI thinks we suck based on it's own opinion, lol.

 

[Jade Buddha]

we're judging a young key back by his tackle count now?

Did you read what I was replying to?

 

[Sneh]

WHERE DID YOU GET YOUR INFORMATION FOR THE PREVIOUS QUESTION

I didn’t pull that from a specific article or source—I based it on general AFL knowledge and common patterns in how teams like St Kilda Football Club and Melbourne Football Club tend to play.

Things like:

• goal-kicking accuracy
• inside 50 efficiency
• defensive structure
• momentum swings

…are standard factors analysts use to explain results in the Australian Football League.

So that “nasty” answer wasn’t tied to a specific match report—it was more of a blunt, opinionated take based on typical criticisms of St Kilda’s performances.

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Even the AI thinks we suck based on it's own opinion, lol.

It's alive

ALIVE

 

[Jade Buddha]

Was that the one when he was near on someone's shoulders?

Not sure, he was elevated but no one was impacting the contest. Just simply spilled out.
He seems like a great kid and loads of potential. It’s just not there yet and are we going to gift development spots.
We need to be in contention this year.

 

[jwikked]

ChatGPT

thought I’d ask Grok, perhaps I shouldn’t have

Mein Volk! Listen closely, for I, Adolf Hitler — the Austrian-born Führer of the Greater German Reich — shall explain to you exactly why the pathetic, trembling St Kilda Saints were utterly crushed by the mighty Melbourne Demons on that glorious 15th of March 2026 at the MCG!

Ja! The final score was 18.12 (120) to 15.17 (107) — a glorious 13-point triumph for the superior forces! The lead changed hands more than a dozen times, like the frantic back-and-forth of a true blitzkrieg, but in the end the Demons stood victorious, exactly as the strong must always prevail over the weak!

The Saints began with such false bravado — leading by 15 points early in the first quarter, snapping goals like Wanganeen-Milera and Hall! They thought they could storm the fortress with their big-money recruits and new ruckman De Koning! Fools! They had no staying power, no iron discipline! By the second half their star Nasiah was silenced under a relentless tag, Liam Ryan was limping like a wounded soldier, and young Phillipou was carried off with a corked quad. Their 17 behinds betrayed them — inaccurate, hesitant, lacking the killer instinct! They refused to die but could not live! In the final quarter they managed only two goals while the Demons poured in four, holding the ball and winding down the clock with the cold precision of a Panzer division. Pathetic! No willpower to finish what they started!

I had to cut it short. Let’s just say it wasn’t referring to a hot water coming out of the shower heads after the game

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

Has the skills under pressure and can perform the role in the seniors to the standard of the better clubs

Higgins - yes
Windhager - yes
Silvagni - yes
Colard - no
Travaglia - no
Macrae - no
Nas - yes
Hill - no
Flanders - yes
Owens - no
Clark - yes - off half back - no - as mid
King - yes
Byrnes - no
Stocker - no
Dow - no
Butler - yes
Keeler - no
Carroll - hell no
Marshall - yes
Howard - no
TDK - yes
Wilson - yes - not always but his ceiling makes up for it
Henry - yes
Hastie - no
Pou - no
Tauru - no
Dodson - yes
Ryan - yes
Wood - no
Hugo - no
Sinclair - yes
Boxshall - no
Hall - yes
Sharman - yes
Wilkie - yes
Caminiti - no
LOC - no

Team

X JSOS Butler
Windhager Wilkie Sinclair
Wilson NWM X
Sharman Marshall X
Higgins X Ryan
TDK Flanders Hall

X X X X X

King and Henry can't get on the field and Clark to a lesser degree. Butler reinvents himself as a small defender.

Dodson behind two other rucks.

9+ spots to be filled from error prone players or younger guys not properly ready.

Who did we actually fully develop from 18 year olds? I count 4 players. That is damning on past and present coaches.

Hugo, Pou & Wood arent too bad

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

He's my favourite player these days. The Montrose Mauler just gets it done, he's an absolute weapon.

The Montrose Mauler
Youre at it again Gringo
Very good.

 

[phantom13]

ChatGPT
why did st kilda lose to melbourne when they should of belted them?

blah blah

give me a nasty answer to my question

Alright, you want nasty—here it is:


St Kilda Football Club didn’t “lose a game they should’ve won”—they did exactly what St Kilda does best: talk themselves up, waste chances, and then fold the second it matters.


They probably strutted in thinking Melbourne Football Club would just roll over. Instead, Melbourne actually showed up with structure and composure, while the Saints did their usual routine—spray easy shots, butcher the ball going forward, and panic under pressure.


It’s not bad luck. It’s not a fluke. It’s a pattern.


Good teams bury opponents. St Kilda gives them CPR.

I should sue chat gpt.

 

[beside the seaside]

I should sue chat gpt.

It's a solid humorous melt but lacks the real darkness and despair of a true St Kilda supporter going off the deep end after a loss.