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Docklands Stadium (Marvel Stadium) - Discussion

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Speck said:
What if you allowed the home team to decide whether to open or close the roof?

Probably have exceptions in place for day games (or somehow only if it's sunny) or for forecasted rain, but it might remove some of the debate around whether it should be open or closed.

Teams could even go as far as leaving it open during rain if they wanted to (say its Richmond playing their once a year home game against St Kilda who love the indoor style). Bit radical I know.
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Though youd have to pre warn people if your leaving it opwn during rain
 
Speck said:
What if you allowed the home team to decide whether to open or close the roof?

Probably have exceptions in place for day games (or somehow only if it's sunny) or for forecasted rain, but it might remove some of the debate around whether it should be open or closed.

Teams could even go as far as leaving it open during rain if they wanted to (say its Richmond playing their once a year home game against St Kilda who love the indoor style). Bit radical I know.
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It should totally be up to the marvel tenants if its open or not, whatever suits them better on the day.
 
After enduring 2 saunas this season ( Dogs v North R1 and Dogs v Carl R3) on hot, sunny days and oppressive hot nights, I suggest the roof should remain open for night games where there is 0% chance of rain.

Particularly the North game played on a 35 degree day with a 35k crowd, whilst very uncomfortable as a spectator, I was very sympathetic for the players.
 

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Dumb question but what ever happened to them putting the end names up, they could surely put them on the scorebaord and/or led boards during the toss because (yes I'm a Hawks fan who barely goes) its so funny when they say which end they are kicking and you have no idea which is which 🤣
 
pattymalone00 said:
Dumb question but what ever happened to them putting the end names up, they could surely put them on the scorebaord and/or led boards during the toss because (yes I'm a Hawks fan who barely goes) its so funny when they say which end they are kicking and you have no idea which is which 🤣
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I was expecting they'd be incorporated alongside the level 3 ribbon screens they installed over summer, either as permanent signage or just shown semi-permanently on the LEDs during matches like Melbourne's Robert Flower Wing sign now is at the G, bu alas no. Cal Twomey reported mid last year they were set to return but I've heard nothing since then. https://www.afl.com.au/news/1135320
 
Underarm said:
Even if they're just on the scoreboards for the 30 seconds when they show the bounce which is the only time they're relevant.
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I've definitely seen them do it at least once on the level 1 ribbons during the bounce, but it had Lockett End at both ends for some reason. Haven't cared to pay attention since.
 
pattymalone00 said:
Dumb question but what ever happened to them putting the end names up, they could surely put them on the scorebaord and/or led boards during the toss because (yes I'm a Hawks fan who barely goes) its so funny when they say which end they are kicking and you have no idea which is which 🤣
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Every club has thier own names for the ends now.

They do show them during the coin toss
 

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31/12/2025 was the date the private owners of Docklands Stadium - who ever they would be - given there were several sales between 1997 and 2016, were supposed to hand over the stadium in good working condition to the AFL for payment of $30 as part of the AFL's payment of a $30mil option in 2000. The stadium construction cost was $460m in 1997-2000 dollars.

The AFL paid approx $200m for the stadium. From note 25 of 2016 AFL's Annual Financial Report for year ended 31st October 2016

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In 2017 the AFL booked a Gain on Purchase of $41.492m. A couple of extracts from a long Note 26, from the 2017 AFL's Concise Financial Report (I don't know why they changed the name of the documents lodged at ASIC in 2016 compared to 2017, but both are 66 page documents).


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The benefit of paying $200m in 2016 compared to $30 in 2025:

1) Were able to use stadium asset as collateral for $600m line of credit when Covid struck.
2) Vic clubs who play home games at Docklands got a better stadium yield deal.
3) Were able to leverage the MCG Grand Final for another 20 years to 2057, in 2018, for $225m for stadium upgrades and another $275m for football infrastructure in Victoria from the Andrews government. See;

footyindustry.com

Victorian Government $500m funding deal with the AFL - SportsIndustryAU

Apr 13, 2018
footyindustry.com



On the other side there is :
1) What could the AFL have done with $200m it has had to pay back the banks instead of waiting 9 years to pay $30?
2) Would the AFL got a better deal from Vic government during/post covid, especially if private owners didn't maintain the stadium and it wasn't in great condition as obvious in 2016 for the Vic government to throw $225m at it?

3) Concrete and steel only seems to last 40 years before sports organisations want to tear a stadium down, or tear a large chunk of it down and renovate it and provide modern facilities, or sell it and move somewhere new. Its happening all around the western world with sports stadiums. The Great Southern Stand / Shane Warne Stand will only last about 40 years 1992-2032, if the MCC gets half the budgeted $2bil redevelopment from the government.

That means Docklands probably gets replaced between 2040 and 2050. Who finances that? If the $200m was put in a future fund and invested, how much would that have provided from compounding interest/capital growth between 2016 and say 2046?

Most of these questions have no real answer especially when the true financial position of Docklands Stadium operations isn't know to the public.

There are a whole lot of entities within the Stadium group and who knows what's moved around between them and what is hidden, given the Stadium entity and its subsidiaries are subject to income tax and the parent entity, Australian Football League Limited is a tax exempt entity. So the Stadium entity got loaded up with debt when the AFL finalised its purchase, and the parent company in the Stadium group and the subsidiaries don't make a profit, so they aren't subject to income tax.
 
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pattymalone00 said:
Dumb question but what ever happened to them putting the end names up, they could surely put them on the scorebaord and/or led boards during the toss because (yes I'm a Hawks fan who barely goes) its so funny when they say which end they are kicking and you have no idea which is which 🤣
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They have them at the toss on the bottom screens

Just whatever the clubs call it. In St Kildas case its the Lockett and Frawley End
 

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aCunningPlan said:
About time! Marvel with the roof open actually brings a bit of life into the ground. The Renegades game there on a Saturday afternoon with the roof open was an absolute treat.
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to be honest roof open at marvel during covid was the worst experience at the footy I’ve actually ever had.

The seagulls were genuinely horrendous on lvl 3.

Early season and late toward finals this is feasible but I reckon it will be rubbish at night during winter
 

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