Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 3 * Coroner's Hearings Concluded

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 2

Criminal charges:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on FF *Guilty Overturned on Appeal
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on FM *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Please type names out in full for those who are not covered by suppression orders.

For those covered by suppression orders, please use the following to indicate:

WT - William Tyrrell
FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
FA - Frank Abbott
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
CCR - Cobb and Co Road
GO - Geoff Owens
One even reduced bike riding to - BR
COG - Consciousness of guilt. Like WHO KNEW?

 

[GraceE]

Still trying to garner sympathy for FM. She can take legal action against anyone who offends against her. William cannot.

She has to have a basis of claim. Defamation. Yes but problems. Her name is suppressed so can’t damage a reputation you don’t know identity AND
Her reputation is already trashed based upon history and the fact she’s nominated as POI for a missing child.



Few other things I could mention that I’m not supposed to know too

 

[Grassy_Knoll]

Similar report on Sept 17th in SMH. Insp Fehon talks to media,

"....Sniffer dogs and cadaver dogs found no scent in the yard, fuelling fears he may have been abducted...."

How can there be no scent in the yard if he played monsters and twirling and tree climbing in the front yard with FM and FD. And he was reported to go around the corner of the house towards the front yard.

There's a simple explanation why there was no scent found, because from when William wakes up.... he's photographed on the back deck 7:37am-7:39am. They never rode their bikes that morning, that was confirmed by the FGM's evidence, she never saw them riding their bikes. William never jumped off the deck and went around THAT corner, he never was placed up in a tree on the morning of September 12th. No... No.... No...

"Wake up and smell the coffee Mrs. Bueller It’s a fools paradise"

Thank goodness for FGM's loose lips sinking ships in debunking so many things FM said.

GraceE I'm not interested in any photos that you may have. However, I do appreciate you for standing up and pointing the finger. You might not have it exactly right, but trust me, you're smelling the dog turds, like me, that were never there!

All in my humble opinion.

 

[31550]

William went towards an unfenced front yard towards the road out of their sight.
Maybe not a real safe neighbourhood. Strange cars across the road and the fat driver in the green/ grey car in Benaroon.
Did FM think he went to look FF. Why didn't she or FGM stop him.

Anecdotally at least in 2014 it was considered extremely safe. Neighbours knew everyone's comings and goings. Doors were left unlocked. Kids were relatively free to roam around.
Befire William's case, we never heard suggestions that it was a nest of pedophiles as was suggested post 2014. Are there any reported cases of child abduction, abuse or pedophilia around Kendall around 2014?
Williams case changed behaviours of residents. Or is this just more PR spin to support the abduction theory?
I don't think there is any evidence that in 2014 it was known or even thought to be a dangerous neighbourhood. I think it would have been considered relatively safe compared to Northern Sydney for example.

 

[Inspector Small]

Similar report on Sept 17th in SMH. Insp Fehon talks to media,

"....Sniffer dogs and cadaver dogs found no scent in the yard, fuelling fears he may have been abducted...."

How can there be no scent in the yard if he played monsters and twirling and tree climbing in the front yard with FM and FD. And he was reported to go around the corner of the house towards the front yard.

It’s like he wasn’t even there.

 

[Gia]

It’s like he wasn’t even there.

i have read previously conflicting reports that the dogs detected his scent only within the boundaries of the backyard?

 

[winyhill]

If you know of evidence you are supposed to either post it or STFU. You have been asked not to say you have sonething unless you post it.

Few other things I could mention that I’m not supposed to know too

 

[LRitz]

i have read previously conflicting reports that the dogs detected his scent only within the boundaries of the backyard?

The above quote - "no scent in the yard" - is from a published SMH on 17th. But of course we don't know how accurate the reporting was.

I recall something similar about finding scent. I will see if I can find the reference. I think it was detected around the driveway. At 8:00 there allegedly were two cars parked in the driveway. No one AFAIK saw when they left.

 

[LRitz]

Anecdotally at least in 2014 it was considered extremely safe. Neighbours knew everyone's comings and goings. Doors were left unlocked. Kids were relatively free to roam around.
Befire William's case, we never heard suggestions that it was a nest of pedophiles as was suggested post 2014. Are there any reported cases of child abduction, abuse or pedophilia around Kendall around 2014?
Williams case changed behaviours of residents. Or is this just more PR spin to support the abduction theory?
I don't think there is any evidence that in 2014 it was known or even thought to be a dangerous neighbourhood. I think it would have been considered relatively safe compared to Northern Sydney for example.

Agree, But FGM was pretty quick to think William had been taken and he wouldn't be found around here. Why did FGM say this if it was such a safe neighbourhood?

Also it is still a street with cars, even if not busy. Three year olds should not be playing any where near a road unsupervised.

 

[Jim Cricket]

I wonder what they gave the sniffer dogs to help them find William? If he wasn't there, as Tiny suggested with that quote and elsewhere, the FP's must have taken something with them for the sniffer dogs to use. These people must have IQ's in the 300's.

 

[Jaydon12]

Article from Sept 2016
FM has something to say -
“To that person, even if William is dead, even if somebody killed him - deliberately or if it was an accident - and you know where he is, he’s got to come home,” his mother said.

“If William is dead then you can’t just leave him in some random hole somewhere, it’s not right.

“His remains need to be acknowledged and signposted that this is where he is."

'Can’t leave him in random hole': Tyrrell family make emotional plea for closure

William Tyrrell's family are pleading with the person who took their son to show them where he is, even if it means leading them to his body. William's family have made a heartbreaking appeal to thos...

au.news.yahoo.com

 

[Curious Clues]

If your child goes missing on your watch then a natural response would be to come up with an excuse to cover for your negligence, especially to friends and family. No one wants to say "I was negligent and wasn't paying attention".

I totally understand that. And in William’s case the FM had to also factor in being deemed a negligent carer by foster care officials. So in the first few days she lies and lies and lies. Then months go by, still lies, then years….and at no point does her motherly conscience kick in to right the wrongs, to help the investigation, nope no conscience detected.

So she’s at the point where the lies are so entrenched in her story and they are known around the world, it’s now too late to confess the lies to ol mate Jubes who’s doing a stellar job at not solving the case and having her back at the same time.

So confident the William disappearance lies have not been discovered that in 2020 she embarks on a big parasitic lying/fraud auction to boost their bank account $$$.

Then she gets to the 2021 CC hearing and she lies about lying, but apparently not knowingly lying but still lying all the same.

Pathological liars lie in every facet of their life. They even lie about stuff they don’t need to lie about. If anyone can relate to what I’m talking about yes we unfortunately know these type of liars, it’s f***ed up mind altering sh*t.

IMO

 

[GraceE]

If you know of evidence you are supposed to either post it or STFU. You have been asked not to say you have sonething unless you post it.

Do you have a comprehension deficit too? I said things I KNOW which is an entirely different word and meaning. Not evidence. But if you want me to denigrate their character then I will. They were fraudsters!!!! false bidding on their own house. Was something else too i think but cant remember exact detail. Paints a pretty shabby CV in the end.

 

[Curious Clues]

Article from Sept 2016
FM has something to say -
“To that person, even if William is dead, even if somebody killed him - deliberately or if it was an accident - and you know where he is, he’s got to come home,” his mother said.

“If William is dead then you can’t just leave him in some random hole somewhere, it’s not right.

“His remains need to be acknowledged and signposted that this is where he is."

'Can’t leave him in random hole': Tyrrell family make emotional plea for closure

William Tyrrell's family are pleading with the person who took their son to show them where he is, even if it means leading them to his body. William's family have made a heartbreaking appeal to thos...

au.news.yahoo.com

“His remains need to be acknowledged and signposted that this is where he is."

That sentence doesn’t make any sense.

Who needs to signpost where his remains are? The person who put him there?

Because if the cops or searchers find his remains, they will be doing a lot more than just acknowledging and signposting the spot.

 

[passball]

Article from Sept 2016
FM has something to say -
“To that person, even if William is dead, even if somebody killed him - deliberately or if it was an accident - and you know where he is, he’s got to come home,” his mother said.

“If William is dead then you can’t just leave him in some random hole somewhere, it’s not right.

“His remains need to be acknowledged and signposted that this is where he is."

'Can’t leave him in random hole': Tyrrell family make emotional plea for closure

William Tyrrell's family are pleading with the person who took their son to show them where he is, even if it means leading them to his body. William's family have made a heartbreaking appeal to thos...

au.news.yahoo.com

In that article.

FM said.
"He wasn’t yours to take. You don’t go around stealing children," she said."

The bios were trying to get custody of THEIR son.
FM said as soon as she saw William she knew he 'was mine'. Hmmmm

Jubelin said,
"But what we would be interested in [would be] if anyone's got concerns about the circumstances in which a child has come into a family."

So Jubelin said this but fixated on pedos and neighbour.

Did police check all storage sheds in the area?
Did FGM have a storage shed somewhere close by? A storage shed on someone's property?

Have they checked out if a child has come in to a local family, Kendall and surrounds?
Has a child enrolled in school that was unknown before?

 

[passball]

“His remains need to be acknowledged and signposted that this is where he is."

That sentence doesn’t make any sense.

Who needs to signpost where his remains are? The person who put him there?

Because if the cops or searchers find his remains, they will be doing a lot more than just acknowledging and signposting the spot.

Agree, makes no sense.
Another cold remark.

The photo of the carers with the description they were the Tyrrell family.
Bet that didn't go down well

 

[NRL Fan]

I totally understand that. And in William’s case the FM had to also factor in being deemed a negligent carer by foster care officials. So in the first few days she lies and lies and lies. Then months go by, still lies, then years….and at no point does her motherly conscience kick in to right the wrongs, to help the investigation, nope no conscience detected.

So she’s at the point where the lies are so entrenched in her story and they are known around the world, it’s now too late to confess the lies to ol mate Jubes who’s doing a stellar job at not solving the case and having her back at the same time.

So confident the William disappearance lies have not been discovered that in 2020 she embarks on a big parasitic lying/fraud auction to boost their bank account $$$.

Then she gets to the 2021 CC hearing and she lies about lying, but apparently not knowingly lying but still lying all the same.

Pathological liars lie in every facet of their life. They even lie about stuff they don’t need to lie about. If anyone can relate to what I’m talking about yes we unfortunately know these type of liars, it’s f***ed up mind altering sh*t.

IMO

The problem is that there is no evidence that the FM committed a crime or covered up a crime. The police based her guilt on a hunch, only because every other lead ended up in a dry gully. And, they put in more money, time and effort to try and prove her guilt and pry out a confession than I've ever seen in a criminal case and still nothing. I'm now thinking that Jubelin was probably right all along and the FPs are innocent, because I can't see how anyone could have survived that enormous pressure over an extended period, combined with the lack of any evidence from such exhaustive police scrutity.

Also, it's worth remembering that the FPs didn't adopt a child so they could disappear him and have he police pursue them for their remaining days on earth. Even the police hunch didn't go beyond death by accident and a cover up. To call the FM a pathological liar when she's never been charged is going too far IMO.

And, as I noted in an earlier post, the most tangible evidence ever presented in this case was from Ray Porter, who confessed to his apparent part in this crime, whilst in the final stages of his life. IMO - A confession always overrides a hunch with no evidence.

 

[passball]

The problem is that there is no evidence that the FM committed a crime or covered up a crime. The police based her guilt on a hunch, only because every other lead ended up in a dry gully. And, they put in more money, time and effort to try and prove her guilt and pry out a confession than I've ever seen in a criminal case and still nothing. I'm now thinking that Jubelin was probably right all along and the FPs are innocent, because I can't see how anyone could have survived that enormous pressure over an extended period, combined with the lack of any evidence from such exhaustive police scrutity.

Also, it's worth remembering that the FPs didn't adopt a child so they could disappear him and have he police pursue them for their remaining days on earth. Even the police hunch didn't go beyond death by accident and a cover up. To call the FM a pathological liar when she's never been charged is going too far IMO.

And, as I noted in an earlier post, the most tangible evidence ever presented in this case was from Ray Porter, who confessed to his apparent part in this crime, whilst in the final stages of his life. IMO - A confession always overrides a hunch with no evidence.

Do you personally know the FPs?
Ever met them?

BTW, the fosters didn't adopt William.
They also shouldn't have been carers to abuse a child, but THEY DID. AVO 5 years.
Do you think what happened to FD was acceptable?
Jubelin doesn't seem fussed about it, still supports them personally

 

[Curious Clues]

The problem is that there is no evidence that the FM committed a crime or covered up a crime. The police based her guilt on a hunch, only because every other lead ended up in a dry gully. And, they put in more money, time and effort to try and prove her guilt and pry out a confession than I've ever seen in a criminal case and still nothing. I'm now thinking that Jubelin was probably right all along and the FPs are innocent, because I can't see how anyone could have survived that enormous pressure over an extended period, combined with the lack of any evidence from such exhaustive police scrutity.

Also, it's worth remembering that the FPs didn't adopt a child so they could disappear him and have he police pursue them for their remaining days on earth. Even the police hunch didn't go beyond death by accident and a cover up. To call the FM a pathological liar when she's never been charged is going too far IMO.

And, as I noted in an earlier post, the most tangible evidence ever presented in this case was from Ray Porter, who confessed to his apparent part in this crime, whilst in the final stages of his life. IMO - A confession always overrides a hunch with no evidence.

Wow I wasn’t expecting that response.

How many criminals have you heard just threw in the towel after 11 years and said “ok you got me, I did it, lock me up” ?

You do realise RP was one of the town drunks? So you’d believe a drunk over SFR? Wow

 

[Inspector Small]

The above quote - "no scent in the yard" - is from a published SMH on 17th. But of course we don't know how accurate the reporting was.

I recall something similar about finding scent. I will see if I can find the reference. I think it was detected around the driveway. At 8:00 there allegedly were two cars parked in the driveway. No one AFAIK saw when they left.

The initial report is probably the most accurate. Possibly the interpretation shifts to fit a scenario.

I don’t think he disappeared that morning.

You can add the dogs to all the witnesses who didn’t see him.

The onus is to prove he was there. Can anyone prove he was there?

Hearing a child’s voice in what could be a distorted memory is not enough.

 

[GraceE]

“His remains need to be acknowledged and signposted that this is where he is."

That sentence doesn’t make any sense.

Who needs to signpost where his remains are? The person who put him there?

Because if the cops or searchers find his remains, they will be doing a lot more than just acknowledging and signposting the spot.

In witnessed statement analysis they would analyse these remarks for weeks using their techniques. Often perps expose what is the truth hidden in plain sight within their remarks. It becomes what is often referred to as an embedded confession. Though this isn’t revealing for manner WT died it very much can be for where his remains were placed and her sentiments regarding it.

Thank you so much for posting this. I think it can indicate the circumstances. surrounding his final resting place. I’ve watched them pick apart verses for hours dissecting its hidden meaning.

For a start this is the 12 month anniversary date. This is indicating how she is feeling about where WT has been placed. The anguish. The guilt perhaps if involved. The disgust for disrespect he wasn’t given adequate respect in burial.

I have been told circumstances where a report was made by a witness reporting to local police a sighting of a couple Oct 2015 that the witness now believes was the FPs The FM apparently was seated in a car at the entrance of brotherglen trail and was arguing with FF. The fact they were stationary and arguing possibly is indicative of disagreement the choice to actually visit his gracesite on that anniversary. The reluctant one FF didn’t want to be there and the arguing one FM did. The conclusion is possibly that FF knew location and FM didn’t.

Let’s examine remarks in the article.

“To that person, even if William is dead, even if somebody killed him - deliberately or if it was an accident - and you know where he is, he’s got to come home,” his mother said.

“If William is dead then you can’t just leave him in some random hole somewhere, it’s not right.

“His remains need to be acknowledged and signposted that this is where he is."

The first observation is that she uses multiple instances of distancing language. To THAT person. YOU know where he is. SOMEBODY killed him. YOU can’t just leave him. If that sighting was them then I believe that the argument was about returning to the gravesite that she has never visited with regret. The FF recognises the risk of being seen just as they possibly were and doesn’t want to be there. She doesn’t do what perps do in embedded confessions where “I” is used but rather “you”.

The fact she purposely went MSN on this occasion to discuss her FEELING about not having him “home” pouring out her state of internal conflict is interesting in itself. She had to voice her feelings in this way almost as expunging her conscience. The context refers almost to a level of defiance that she has been totally excluded from involvement in what’s taken place to her son. There clearly is dissent in the ranks. He’s GOT to come home.

The remarks don’t make sense but truthfully they’re not supposed to. It is venting what actually happened in my opinion and her turmoil it did. It is intentionally layered with qualifiers designed to again distance. Even IF he is dead. It’s 12 months. He is. Even if he was killed (deliberate use of homocide terminology)………deliberately or if ir was an accident. This is interesting because it conceives that she wasn’t actually there to SEE with her own eyes WTs demise but has found out about it immediately afterwards. And what she’s been told

YOU ( the person that killed him and who she is at dispute with) can’t just leave him in a hole somewhere ( disgust at treatment). That is exactly what was done in my opinion. WT was left in a hole somewhere in my opinion. You don’t have many naturally occurring holes but that does tie to terminologies of grave often referred to as ‘hole in the ground.’ More indication of this in use of the word signposted a manner of respect given for graves with headstones.

Conjecture Conclusions

WT is buried in a grave. FM didn’t witness the actual death but knows WT was killed by a person she knows. They are at dispute at his disrespectful treatment. The person has said it was accidental but she knows it was at his hands. Given the sentiment on an anniversary it’s highly likely she has ‘signposted’ the grave somehow as the compromise

I’ve posted before that hands around neck and assaultive force is the highest probability mode of death (46%) in DV context of a child death by family

I’m by no means qualified to do witness statement analysis. I only have watched to attempt to learn.

Conjecture and opinion on case analysis

 

[Inspector Small]

The problem is that there is no evidence that the FM committed a crime or covered up a crime.

You may regret this statement. There is ample evidence that the FM covered up a crime. Through your blinkered existence you fail to analyse the photos. I will remind you of this in the future.

Here is another chance. 'Houston we have a problem.'

 

[31550]

Agree, But FGM was pretty quick to think William had been taken and he wouldn't be found around here. Why did FGM say this if it was such a safe neighbourhood?

Also it is still a street with cars, even if not busy. Three year olds should not be playing any where near a road unsupervised.

Days later in her walkthrough she said this. (I think it was the 18th?). If we are to believe her on this particular point of her narrative. We know some of her other narrative is not true, or at least inconsistent and conflicting (no phone calls, FF was gone by 8am,...)
Maybe she did think he'd been taken because she knew his family history and suspected the bio family would try to get him back?
If she really thought that William was likely to be taken from the front yard, why would she allow him to run around there unsuoervised? Shouldn't she have warned FM? According to her narrative, William ran around several times, then he was gone for a while and FM said "Oh, he's gone quiet". But FGM never suggested FM go look for him - she just sat there supposedly drinking tea? And she had no idea where William's sister was during all this. If one child goes missing from a potentially dangerous area, wouldn't you immediately safeguard the other one?

All the circumstantial evidence suggests neither FM nor FGM considered the yard a dangerous place for William to run around without supervision.

 

[winyhill]

Do you have a comprehension deficit too? I said things I KNOW which is an entirely different word and meaning. Not evidence. But if you want me to denigrate their character then I will. They were fraudsters!!!! false bidding on their own house. Was something else too i think but cant remember exact detail. Paints a pretty shabby CV in the end.

Their is nothing secret about that. It is on the public record. Posted on the very top of every page!

You said "Few other things I could mention that I’m not supposed to know too"
So it seems you are the one with a comprehension deficit now.

 

[winyhill]

The above quote - "no scent in the yard" - is from a published SMH on 17th. But of course we don't know how accurate the reporting was.

I recall something similar about finding scent. I will see if I can find the reference. I think it was detected around the driveway. At 8:00 there allegedly were two cars parked in the driveway. No one AFAIK saw when they left.

The inquest testimony was no scent detected outside the yard. Which there should have been had he wandered.
But I have never heard anything about two cars parked in the driveway??
AFAIK they were parked across the road. Between two driveways.
Or do you mean two different cars?

 

[Inspector Small]

And, as I noted in an earlier post, the most tangible evidence ever presented in this case was from Ray Porter, who confessed to his apparent part in this crime, whilst in the final stages of his life.

NRL fantasy.

Let us break this down into the nonsense it is.

Was he in the last stages of his life? Yes and No.
Ray Porter suffered from Renal failure and was a drunk. By definition anyone with advanced renal failure and is on dialysis is in the last stages of their life.

You originally called this a deathbed confession. That's not true. He told the nurse while walking around the corridor a confabulated story.
People with renal failure and alcohol abuse confabulate. Look up uraemia encephalopathy and Korsakoff syndrome. He probably had both. There was a reason he was in an aged care facility despite the nurses assertion of being competent.

The police interviewed him sometime after this was reported. He basically told everyone that he didn't know why the police turned up. So he has forgotten what he said to the nurse. Classic Korsakoff. Clearly didn't die straight away did he.

He dies of Urinary sepsis which kills quite quickly and without warning. He wasn't on his deathbed.

You then talk about the drive to Tamworth. He was seen on the camera heading south from Kew. He probably went fishing. The police would have seen FA in the car. Why didn't they see WT. If you look at a map you would realise to double back as you have claimed would require a detour lasting hours. Then why didn't he just drive through Logans crossing the back way. But FA supposedly already has RP car, didn't borrow it so he could abduct WT. How did Frank get it back to RP. But FA was at the bank in Wauchope at the time of the abduction. Tricky fella this FA. FA didn't have a phone. It was turned off. So how did he communicate with RP. Maybe RP is a clairvoyant.

The worst of this is. He said went North, but Tamworth is west. You then go through gymnastics to prove Tamworth is north in the same way, Perth is north of Sydney.

Let's look at the content. He picks up FA and WT from the back of the public school. Are you telling me that FA has walked William Tyrrell to the public school without being seen. Then why would they drive WT to Tamworth so they could sexually abuse him and then murder him. Couldn't they do that locally.

Why would Ray Porter suddenly feel the need to commit a crime of this magnitude, he has no criminal record in this regard.

RP had Korsakoff dementia and Uraemic encephalopathy and it's obvious this is a confabulation.

NRL fantasy however sticks to his own delusion. Anything to protect the woman he loves.