Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 3 * Coroner's Hearings Concluded

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 2

Criminal charges:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on FF *Guilty Overturned on Appeal
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on FM *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Please type names out in full for those who are not covered by suppression orders.

For those covered by suppression orders, please use the following to indicate:

WT - William Tyrrell
FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
FA - Frank Abbott
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
CCR - Cobb and Co Road
GO - Geoff Owens
One even reduced bike riding to - BR
COG - Consciousness of guilt. Like WHO KNEW?

 

[Earls Smother]

The initial report is probably the most accurate. Possibly the interpretation shifts to fit a scenario.

I don’t think he disappeared that morning.

You can add the dogs to all the witnesses who didn’t see him.

The onus is to prove he was there. Can anyone prove he was there?

Hearing a child’s voice in what could be a distorted memory is not enough.

Here we go with more Leon the Liar antics. Just because you quoted one early article (16th of Sept from the Daily Fail) saying the dogs didn't detect any scent on the property, doesn't make it correct.

You also state "The initial report is probably the most accurate", which, if you knew anything about police investigations, is highly unlikely to be the case. The police will release what suits them and when it suits them.

There have been multiple sources confirming that his scent was found on the property. Here is just 2:

ABC 17 Nov 2021
Police dogs were brought to the scene shortly after William disappeared in 2014 and they detected his scent but only within the property's boundaries.

Michael Sheather Sept 6, 2015
Police dogs were brought in and they managed to find William’s scent, but only within the boundaries of the backyard.

Stop your misleading bullshit.

 

[31550]

NRL fantasy.

Let us break this down into the nonsense it is.

Was he in the last stages of his life? Yes and No.
Ray Porter suffered from Renal failure and was a drunk. By definition anyone with advanced renal failure and is on dialysis is in the last stages of their life.

You originally called this a deathbed confession. That's not true. He told the nurse while walking around the corridor a confabulated story.
People with renal failure and alcohol abuse confabulate. Look up uraemia encephalopathy and Korsakoff syndrome. He probably had both. There was a reason he was in an aged care facility despite the nurses assertion of being competent.

The police interviewed him sometime after this was reported. He basically told everyone that he didn't know why the police turned up. So he has forgotten what he said to the nurse. Classic Korsakoff. Clearly didn't die straight away did he.

He dies of Urinary sepsis which kills quite quickly and without warning. He wasn't on his deathbed.

You then talk about the drive to Tamworth. He was seen on the camera heading south from Kew. He probably went fishing. The police would have seen FA in the car. Why didn't they see WT. If you look at a map you would realise to double back as you have claimed would require a detour lasting hours. Then why didn't he just drive through Logans crossing the back way. But FA supposedly already has RP car, didn't borrow it so he could abduct WT. How did Frank get it back to RP. But FA was at the bank in Wauchope at the time of the abduction. Tricky fella this FA. FA didn't have a phone. It was turned off. So how did he communicate with RP. Maybe RP is a clairvoyant.

The worst of this is. He said went North, but Tamworth is west. You then go through gymnastics to prove Tamworth is north in the same way, Perth is north of Sydney.

Let's look at the content. He picks up FA and WT from the back of the public school. Are you telling me that FA has walked William Tyrrell to the public school without being seen. Then why would they drive WT to Tamworth so they could sexually abuse him and then murder him. Couldn't they do that locally.

Why would Ray Porter suddenly feel the need to commit a crime of this magnitude, he has no criminal record in this regard.

RP had Korsakoff dementia and Uraemic encephalopathy and it's obvious this is a confabulation.

NRL fantasy however sticks to his own delusion. Anything to protect the woman he loves.

Stop making sense!

 

[winyhill]

You do realise RP was one of the town drunks? So you’d believe a drunk over SFR? Wow

Death bed confessions are usually treated very seriously. But some people on this forum are not here to solve this, they are here to hate the FM. So their hate clouds their thinking.
I dont know what she did or didn't do.
I can see the logic of SFR's theory. BUT why wasn't the body found.?

I have been told circumstances where a report was made by a witness reporting to local police a sighting of a couple Oct 2015 that the witness now believes was the FPs The FM apparently was seated in a car at the entrance of brotherglen trail and was arguing with FF. The fact they were stationary and arguing possibly is indicative of disagreement the choice to actually visit his gracesite on that anniversary. The reluctant one FF didn’t want to be there and the arguing one FM did.

You just told us a little while ago, that she couldn't sue you for defamation because she is anonymous. But now witnesses are reporting seeing them argue in a public place, in an area frequented by thousands of tourists every year. I cant see how a witness could report seeing her when they dont know what they look like. And what would there be about someone going on a walk that would be reported to local Police?

But NRL is correct, the Police have not alleged that FM killed William, they have alleged she moved the body and lied about it to cover up an accident.

But they have now been looking for evidence to back up this accusation for nearly six years now and haven't found anything. That is why no charges have ever been laid. Even before the coroner's report is released, we already know that the brief they submitted to her, mostly consisted of opinion, not facts. Opinions wont get them anywhere in a court.
I believe that unless a body is found nothing will ever be proven. That will make some people on here very happy as they can continue to hate the FM as long as no-one else is charged.

An unless the body was buried, there is no chanced of finding it now, due to predators and the elements. Of course, finding a buried body would be a whole new ball game.

Some people on here claim to know where it is buried. But, strangely, SFR has never bothered to act on their reports and go and dig it up when they have been told where it is. Perhaps SFR doesn't want the body found, either.

 

[GraceE]

Talk to the witness or the local police who went to brotherglen trail with the witness or a SFR representative to whom it was ultimately reported not me. I can’t help you.

A recognisable car parked at the entrance to brotherglen trail a couple arguing and the subject matter of the argument that was overheard perhaps? Maybe her identity is so well hidden now she walks around with a pixelated face which becomes identifiable? Not many people are pixelated

Discarded the new PR video approach and now back in to the abusive posts again. That didn’t take long.

In my opinion and this IS my opinion SFRs real theory is being kept secret. They don’t believe FM went in a car ride at all. The coroner evidence was intended to prove just that. They don’t believe FM shifted the body because of that. I know they have reports that provide truth and believe SFR are all over that information pursuing it on that theory they have kept secret. Perhaps that’s why also there has been a non publication order in place regarding laundry window reflections which incidentally the other crime site thought was so accurate they blurred the post and stated it as fact

Believing the case is going to end in useless searches and misdirection of Coroner and SFR just isn’t going to happen I’m afraid. The truth will pursue its own path

Conjecture and opinion on case analysis

 

[GraceE]

Inspector yes I believe FP was making accusations at the end of his life to implicate FA, but no it wasn’t directly because of involvement in WT case. There was something between them that motivated him to attempt to implicate FA possibly because he was threatened previously knew his crimes and had a vengeful motive

 

[GraceE]

Here we go with more Leon the Liar antics. Just because you quoted one early article (16th of Sept from the Daily Fail) saying the dogs didn't detect any scent on the property, doesn't make it correct.

You also state "The initial report is probably the most accurate", which, if you knew anything about police investigations, is highly unlikely to be the case. The police will release what suits them and when it suits them.

There have been multiple sources confirming that his scent was found on the property. Here is just 2:

ABC 17 Nov 2021
Police dogs were brought to the scene shortly after William disappeared in 2014 and they detected his scent but only within the property's boundaries.

Michael Sheather Sept 6, 2015
Police dogs were brought in and they managed to find William’s scent, but only within the boundaries of the backyard.

Stop your misleading bullshit.

But all reports are consistent that nothing was detected off the property and that fact confused the police because of relative success of tracking dogs 75% I understand.

So it’s sensible to conclude WT made it off the property in a car. you think the an abduction but police most definitely suspect FPs. They only have one target the FPs.

You continue to show deplorable conduct accusing people of lies when clearly he preferred the initial report with reason.

You should really leave this website. Unacceptable behaviour

 

[LRitz]

There's a simple explanation why there was no scent found, because from when William wakes up.... he's photographed on the back deck 7:37am-7:39am. They never rode their bikes that morning, that was confirmed by the FGM's evidence, she never saw them riding their bikes. William never jumped off the deck and went around THAT corner, he never was placed up in a tree on the morning of September 12th. No... No.... No...

"Wake up and smell the coffee Mrs. Bueller It’s a fools paradise"

Thank goodness for FGM's loose lips sinking ships in debunking so many things FM said.

GraceE I'm not interested in any photos that you may have. However, I do appreciate you for standing up and pointing the finger. You might not have it exactly right, but trust me, you're smelling the dog turds, like me, that were never there!

All in my humble opinion.

Agree that there is no independent sighting of anyone at Benaroon that morning.
No one saw children, FM, FGM, FF , bike riding, playing monsters.
FF is AFAIK first sighted on CCTV tennis club ( time in question), and then at Lakewood to start his call ∼ 9:15.
FM is first seen by neighbour AS ∼ 10:35.
William not seen at all, spider man suit or not.
No movements of either foster cars are seen in Benaroon.

if the photos were taken around 7:35 and the camera setting was correct for local time, then the camera setting had to be changed since the photo of the Sunrise TV time. But then this (the time setting of the camera) could have been easily picked up by the police. If someone changed the time they would have known this. So why lie about a 9:30 time of photos if you run the risk of getting caught out. How would the time setting on the camera be hidden. Maybe the police did not check, I don't think it has been mentioned how the police got the photos, whether they had the camera, memory stick , or sent the downloaded images.

And if it was possible to change the time so easily it would have been easy to not only change to any different time and date.

The photos look like it was pretty bright on the patio. The brick wall near laundry seems to be in full sun, lit up like a Xmas tree. IMO it does not look like 7:30.

I am not convinced the photos were taken at 9:30. But then i am not convinced with 7:30 either.

 

[Lady O]

But all reports are consistent that nothing was detected off the property and that fact confused the police because of relative success of tracking dogs 75% I understand.

So it’s sensible to conclude WT made it off the property in a car. you think the an abduction but police most definitely suspect FPs. They only have one target the FPs.

You continue to show deplorable conduct accusing people of lies when clearly he preferred the initial report with reason.

You should really leave this website. Unacceptable behaviour

I think all we can draw from that is that the dogs didn't 'detect any scent' off the property. There could be a number of reasons for this. Either he was removed, or the scent was undetected because of the time it took for the dog to arrive, or due the numbers of people who had been in the vicinity searching made his scent difficult to detect.

 

[GraceE]

Agree that there is no independent sighting of anyone at Benaroon that morning.
No one saw children, FM, FGM, FF , bike riding, playing monsters.
FF is AFAIK first sighted on CCTV tennis club ( time in question), and then at Lakewood to start his call ∼ 9:15.
FM is first seen by neighbour AS ∼ 10:35.
William not seen at all, spider man suit or not.
No movements of either foster cars are seen in Benaroon.

if the photos were taken around 7:35 and the camera setting was correct for local time, then the camera setting had to be changed since the photo of the Sunrise TV time. But then this (the time setting of the camera) could have been easily picked up by the police. If someone changed the time they would have known this. So why lie about a 9:30 time of photos if you run the risk of getting caught out. How would the time setting on the camera be hidden. Maybe the police did not check, I don't think it has been mentioned how the police got the photos, whether they had the camera, memory stick , or sent the downloaded images.

And if it was possible to change the time so easily it would have been easy to not only change to any different time and date.

The photos look like it was pretty bright on the patio. The brick wall near laundry seems to be in full sun, lit up like a Xmas tree. IMO it does not look like 7:30.

I am not convinced the photos were taken at 9:30.

The record at inquest said that 7.39 was the created time and 9.37 was the corrected time. It’s entirely possible the correction was made manually by SFR perhaps after having been given the cameras they accepted the later time because camera setting led them to believe that which was then endorsed without further checking by the TV sunrise time

The flight to Bali flight crew announce the local time. Set watch. Buy a camera check setting. Return to Sydney and flight crew confirm the 2hr difference again. That is the time difference 2hrs not 1hr 58’ and seconds. So if those checks were done the camera ought to be 2hrs not the odd time it is. Was the camera wrongly set 2 minutes different and not adjusted on purchase? Possible. Did the forensic guy see the TV sunrise time and manually adjust it by the odd difference? Possible too.

So it’s possible this is a manual correction because the guy was deceived first by the current setting and then the TV sunrise ‘proof’

SFR will know what happened and I find it interesting nothing has ever come back on the forensic check by coroner. Why? Because it was their information and they can’t now check because both batteries are depleted?

 

[Inspector Small]

Agree that there is no independent sighting of anyone at Benaroon that morning.
No one saw children, FM, FGM, FF , bike riding, playing monsters.
FF is AFAIK first sighted on CCTV tennis club ( time in question), and then at Lakewood to start his call ∼ 9:15.
FM is first seen by neighbour AS ∼ 10:35.
William not seen at all, spider man suit or not.
No movements of either foster cars are seen in Benaroon.

if the photos were taken around 7:35 and the camera setting was correct for local time, then the camera setting had to be changed since the photo of the Sunrise TV time. But then this (the time setting of the camera) could have been easily picked up by the police. If someone changed the time they would have known this. So why lie about a 9:30 time of photos if you run the risk of getting caught out. How would the time setting on the camera be hidden. Maybe the police did not check, I don't think it has been mentioned how the police got the photos, whether they had the camera, memory stick , or sent the downloaded images.

And if it was possible to change the time so easily it would have been easy to not only change to any different time and date.

The photos look like it was pretty bright on the patio. The brick wall near laundry seems to be in full sun, lit up like a Xmas tree. IMO it does not look like 7:30.

I am not convinced the photos were taken at 9:30. But then i am not convinced with 7:30 either.

Someone has definitely photoshopped them though.

I think this week will be a big week in this case. Maybe as early as Monday.

 

[GraceE]

How did the TV sunrise difference first surface?

 

[Inspector Small]

I used to be called Leon Higgins. I had to change my name to Inspector Small.

Leon Higgins is a serving policeman. I couldn’t have them implicated in my posts even by mistake.

Inspector Clive Small is dead. He was known for Ivan Milat.
There was no way I could be mistaken for them. No there is nothing deceitful in my name change.

It was about protecting the real ‘Leon Higgins’.

 

[GraceE]

I used to be called Leon Higgins. I had to change my name to Inspector Small.

Leon Higgins is a serving policeman. I couldn’t have them implicated in my posts even by mistake.

Inspector Clive Small is dead. He was known for Ivan Milat.
There was no way I could be mistaken for them. No there is nothing deceitful in my name change.

It was about protecting the real ‘Leon Higgins’.

Thx for clarification.

I’m GraceE. The E is first letter on my surname which, given the nutter behaviour of the three stooges, will remain secret. Seemingly they are headed for a fall………a 14 year one……..and the consequences that inevitably go with inmate interactions.

Is that a better euphemism to use? “Inmate interactions”

 

[Lady O]

Someone has definitely photoshopped them though.

I think this week will be a big week in this case. Maybe as early as Monday.

We shall wait with bated breath!

 

[GraceE]

How did the TV sunrise difference first surface?

I raise this because I want to try to understand whether the photo that revealed it was an intentional plant. It’s very easy to change a camera setting but the forensics must have done more than that you assume and this photo has been promoted as verification.

 

[Curious Clues]

Death bed confessions are usually treated very seriously. But some people on this forum are not here to solve this, they are here to hate the FM. So their hate clouds their thinking.
I dont know what she did or didn't do.
I can see the logic of SFR's theory. BUT why wasn't the body found.?


You just told us a little while ago, that she couldn't sue you for defamation because she is anonymous. But now witnesses are reporting seeing them argue in a public place, in an area frequented by thousands of tourists every year. I cant see how a witness could report seeing her when they dont know what they look like. And what would there be about someone going on a walk that would be reported to local Police?

But NRL is correct, the Police have not alleged that FM killed William, they have alleged she moved the body and lied about it to cover up an accident.

But they have now been looking for evidence to back up this accusation for nearly six years now and haven't found anything. That is why no charges have ever been laid. Even before the coroner's report is released, we already know that the brief they submitted to her, mostly consisted of opinion, not facts. Opinions wont get them anywhere in a court.
I believe that unless a body is found nothing will ever be proven. That will make some people on here very happy as they can continue to hate the FM as long as no-one else is charged.

An unless the body was buried, there is no chanced of finding it now, due to predators and the elements. Of course, finding a buried body would be a whole new ball game.

Some people on here claim to know where it is buried. But, strangely, SFR has never bothered to act on their reports and go and dig it up when they have been told where it is. Perhaps SFR doesn't want the body found, either.

I dont know what she did or didn't do.
I can see the logic of SFR's theory. BUT why wasn't the body found.?

FM’s friends said she was highly intelligent of which I’m sure you would agree.

So why would she give the police a heads up of where she might have secreted William’s little body?

Naturally the police are going to check where she said she drove to. But there is no witness to corroborate FM’s story that she stopped at Cobb & Co corner.

She could have stopped anywhere, in any street near there where there’s bush for miles.

The bullsh+t story on day 6 about the truckie seeing her was simply hedging her bets. Hoping said truckie might say “I can’t remember”. She didn't plan on him being a very credible and detailed witness.

You have said multiple times something like there would be nothing left of the body to find. So why do you contradict yourself and repeatedly ask “why the body wasn’t found?” Nonsensical

Imo

 

[GraceE]

I dont know what she did or didn't do.
I can see the logic of SFR's theory. BUT why wasn't the body found.?

FM’s friends said she was highly intelligent of which I’m sure you would agree.

So why would she give the police a heads up of where she might have secreted William’s little body?

Naturally the police are going to check where she said she drove to. But there is no witness to corroborate FM’s story that she stopped at Cobb & Co corner.

She could have stopped anywhere, in any street near there where there’s bush for miles.

The bullsh+t story on day 6 about the truckie seeing her was simply hedging her bets. Hoping said truckie might say “I can’t remember”. She didn't plan on him being a very credible and detailed witness.

You have said multiple times something like there would be nothing left of the body to find. So why do you contradict yourself and repeatedly ask “why the body wasn’t found?” Nonsensical

Imo

Nonsensical certainly. I have other preferences.

Why? Dare I say to deflect the direction of the thread with misinformation. Just a guess

 

[Lady O]

I raise this because I want to try to understand whether the photo that revealed it was an intentional plant. It’s very easy to change a camera setting but the forensics must have done more than that you assume and this photo has been promoted as verification

The story goes that there was previous photo taken with that camera, with the TV going in the background, that allowed the cops to confirm that the time on the camera was different to the time that particular segment aired on TV. I don't believe there is any further information about this.

 

[GraceE]

The story goes that there was previous photo taken with that camera, with the TV going in the background, that allowed the cops to confirm that the time on the camera was different to the time that particular segment aired on TV. I don't believe there is any further information about this.

Yes was aware of that. Thx.

 

[Lady O]

I dont know what she did or didn't do.
I can see the logic of SFR's theory. BUT why wasn't the body found.?

FM’s friends said she was highly intelligent of which I’m sure you would agree.

So why would she give the police a heads up of where she might have secreted William’s little body?

Naturally the police are going to check where she said she drove to. But there is no witness to corroborate FM’s story that she stopped at Cobb & Co corner.

She could have stopped anywhere, in any street near there where there’s bush for miles.

The bullsh+t story on day 6 about the truckie seeing her was simply hedging her bets. Hoping said truckie might say “I can’t remember”. She didn't plan on him being a very credible and detailed witness.

You have said multiple times something like there would be nothing left of the body to find. So why do you contradict yourself and repeatedly ask “why the body wasn’t found?” Nonsensical

Imo

The story about the drive seems to be pivotal.

We only know about it from the small clip of the Police walk though that was made public. It doesn't seem to have been investigated by SFR, at least initially. It wasn't mentioned by FM at the Inquest, although she was not questioned about it either. Most of the testimony seems have been focused on him probably being abducted (the primary theory at the time), parked cars and thick-necked man.

The investigation after Jubes left swung towards the accident/cover up theory, although despite the big dig doesn't seem to have yielded any evidence either.

So, where is SFR concentrating their efforts now?

 

[Lady O]

How did the TV sunrise difference first surface?

So, you already knew, but asked anyway??????

 

[GraceE]

From what I understand on my reading, the police almost always have a clear heads up of what a witness intends to discuss at an inquest including content.

If that is true then the SFR wanted to hear Peter the truckie trash their entire theory of the FM drive to Cobb & Co with the body. The people who think FM was involved after 9.37 must accept that. Why would SFR do that? Think about it. Why?

I instead think they were intentionally trying to prove FM lied that she took the trip at all and Peter the truckie goes a long way to proving that.

SFR have determined a definite time for Crabbes car 10.08 to 10.13. How did they possibly come to that gap when Crabbes were 30 minutes apart on their testimony? There must be something we aren’t privy to which narrows this gap then.

 

[winyhill]

You have said multiple times something like there would be nothing left of the body to find. So why do you contradict yourself and repeatedly ask “why the body wasn’t found?” Nonsensical

Why are you deliberately twisting what I said.?
I have repeatedly said there would be nothing left of the body to find NOW. Hence why I believe it won't be found now. And why it wasn't found on the big dig.

But it is nonsensical to suggest there would have been nothing left to find in that first week.
Considering the search area extended out to 10kms how could it not have been found in the first week?
I can't reconcile the Police THEORY with the FACT that it wasn't found.
But would love to hear other's thoughts on why?

 

[Inspector Small]

There's a simple explanation why there was no scent found, because from when William wakes up.... he's photographed on the back deck 7:37am-7:39am. They never rode their bikes that morning, that was confirmed by the FGM's evidence, she never saw them riding their bikes. William never jumped off the deck and went around THAT corner, he never was placed up in a tree on the morning of September 12th. No... No.... No...

"Wake up and smell the coffee Mrs. Bueller It’s a fools paradise"

Thank goodness for FGM's loose lips sinking ships in debunking so many things FM said.

GraceE I'm not interested in any photos that you may have. However, I do appreciate you for standing up and pointing the finger. You might not have it exactly right, but trust me, you're smelling the dog turds, like me, that were never there!

All in my humble opinion.

If you think that photo was taken at 7.37am, you are more daft than the three stooges.

You are trying to make the evidence fit your pet theory. I can assure you it doesn’t.

 

[GraceE]

Why are you deliberately twisting what I said.?
I have repeatedly said there would be nothing left of the body to find NOW. Hence why I believe it won't be found now. And why it wasn't found on the big dig.

But it is nonsensical to suggest there would have been nothing left to find in that first week.
Considering the search area extended out to 10kms how could it not have been found in the first week?
I can't reconcile the Police THEORY with the FACT that it wasn't found.
But would love to hear other's thoughts on why?

A simple search will tell you you feral animals can scavenger the body but it is RARE that all forensic traces are removed entirely. So if WT was at that corner he would have been detected by the dogs who can detect 80 metres and most definitely forensic traces left behind. A cadaver dog can detect dead bodies in deep graves too. Years later which should make perps crap themselves. WT was never there . SFR know this.