Player Watch Oscar Steene

[WanderingDude]

I don't think it does work in our favour. We won the position most weeks under the old rules. Now, it's going to be a match up thing. Steene is going to be really important and lessen the harm the rule change will have on us and it was a win against Briggs but who knows against the other leapers yet. DC would have murdered MacAndrew under the old rules, hopefully Steene can under these new rules, but I wouldn't bet on it yet - to me that match up is likely to have gone from a massacre in our favour to a likely break even.

The Pies would never have transferred such a core player, but trading Cameron last year may have been selling high. Just a weird thought.

 

[76woodenspooners]

I think we have always played our best footy with two ruckmen

Not really.

Darren Jolly and Cam Wood never worked (basically because Cam Wood never worked)

We had Grundy and Witts in the same side but they could never really make it work.

Sure, two ruckmen sounds better than one when everything else is equal …

… but everything else is not equal. When you have two ruckmen on the teamsheet of 23, what are you giving up?

 

[76woodenspooners]

It’s a great start to a career for Steene …

… but IMO the best thing to come out of his debut won’t have anything to do with Steene …

… it’ll be about the impact on the other dozen or so players who are yet to debut or get regular games. They can now have the belief that they really are being setup for success. To now have the belief that if they continue to work hard and develop, that if they do get an opportunity they won’t just be making up the numbers, they’ll belong.

If there is anything that’ll define the Fly era at Collingwood, apart from success, it’ll be “selection integrity”. I’d never heard a senior coach mention the term before. Fly lives it.

 

[sr36]

Not really.

Darren Jolly and Cam Wood never worked (basically because Cam Wood never worked)

We had Grundy and Witts in the same side but they could never really make it work.

Sure, two ruckmen sounds better than one when everything else is equal …

… but everything else is not equal. When you have two ruckmen on the teamsheet of 23, what are you giving up?

Most teams play 4 blokes to cover 2 kpf roles and ruck and sometimes have 3 talls forward for a short part of the game. With the new 23 rules, most teams will probably stick with 2 forward for the entire game, unless they're lucky enough to have a group where 3 kpfs will be effective together.

It just comes down to who you've got on your list and fit as to whether you're better off with 3 kpfs with one playing 2nd ruck. Or going with 2 rucks with them chopping out the key forwards

 

[granniewolf]

For anyone who might not have seen it. Oscar, Charlie and Jakob's living arrangement.
What a lovely bunch of boys.

 

[rand corp]

Not really.

Darren Jolly and Cam Wood never worked (basically because Cam Wood never worked)

We had Grundy and Witts in the same side but they could never really make it work.

Sure, two ruckmen sounds better than one when everything else is equal …

… but everything else is not equal. When you have two ruckmen on the teamsheet of 23, what are you giving up?

The main problem with the Grundy/Witts partnership was that neither of them could go forward and contribute. Both are very good tap ruckmen and great around the ground; but, if one went forward for a rest, they were as damaging as a behind post on a long lead!

 

[Rorzza]

Amazing how such a small adjustment in personnel can transform the look of the team. Wining ball at CB and moving forward quickly is better watching than losing CB, try to win it back and then move the ball forward.

Nice work Fly, more of that please!

 

[rand corp]

Impressive debut, you just love it when a kid gets his first game and really takes the opportunity by the scruff of the neck.

Some brilliant centre clearance tap work, a nice contested grab and goal, some disciplined spoils that mattered; he really impacted the game in a positive way for the side.

Well done Oscar, onward and upward from here.

 

[NMBB]

For anyone who might not have seen it. Oscar, Charlie and Jakob's living arrangement.
What a lovely bunch of boys.

Did they say whether or not any of them do Wordle?

 

[sr36]

The main problem with the Grundy/Witts partnership was that neither of them could go forward and contribute. Both are very good tap ruckmen and great around the ground; but, if one went forward for a rest, they were as damaging as a behind post on a long lead!

Yep. It's about your players. You can't play 2 rucks if neither can play forward. And you can't play 3 forwards if none of them can ruck - unless you're doing something unusual with second ruck or forward.

 

[BillyElliott]

 

[Vankri]

His skill set makes him a great prospect with the way the game has gone ie ruck rules this year but not only, it’s also 6/6/6 protecting the middle at centre ball up and every rule favouring higher scoring which means more centre ball ups.

If he can maintain that momentum it really doesn’t matter if he doesn’t do much else because we can get 3-4 goals each game directly from that dominance and even more indirectly. Though that pack mark is an obvious sign he’s got more to offer.

Makes you wonder what Nic Nat would look like with current rules and set ups. Probably best ruck of all time material.

 

[TradeDraft]

Not really.

Darren Jolly and Cam Wood never worked (basically because Cam Wood never worked)

We had Grundy and Witts in the same side but they could never really make it work.

Sure, two ruckmen sounds better than one when everything else is equal …

… but everything else is not equal. When you have two ruckmen on the teamsheet of 23, what are you giving up?

wasn’t a reason Grundy and Witts did not work because Grundy could not Mark so only play as a Ruckman?

 

[sr36]

His skill set makes him a great prospect with the way the game has gone ie ruck rules this year but not only, it’s also 6/6/6 protecting the middle at centre ball up and every rule favouring higher scoring which means more centre ball ups.

If he can maintain that momentum it really doesn’t matter if he doesn’t do much else because we can get 3-4 goals each game directly from that dominance and even more indirectly. Though that pack mark is an obvious sign he’s got more to offer.

Makes you wonder what Nic Nat would look like with current rules and set ups. Probably best ruck of all time material.

He looked alright around the ground and has for a while at vfl which was just as important, as he's not always going to go up against a bloke like Briggs who can't jump. Big leapers will be the norm. Andrew from GC might become extraordinary if they play him ruck.

 

[Gabbo64]

Look at hs face. Could he be Mason Cox

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Mason Cox

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35

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211cm

Wt

110kg

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Last 5

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8.7

2star

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5.2

2star

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3.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

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1.6

4star

G

1.2

4star

D

6.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

2.3

2star

T

0.3

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G

1.0

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D

9.0

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5.4

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3.6

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.4

4star

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1.8

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's long lost little brother

 

[TradeDraft]

Played a Very Good Game last night

Made a Big Difference at the Center Bounces

Also Kicked a Goal after a Big Contested Mark

See how he backs it up vs Lions

 

[sr36]

Played a Very Good Game last night

Made a Big Difference at the Center Bounces

Also Kicked a Goal after a Big Contested Mark

See how he backs it up vs Lions

He'll jump over the top of Fort and Draper.

 

[Jen2310]

He'll jump over the top of Fort and Draper.

freo the test with jackson.

 

[granniewolf]

I wonder how much of the meat tray is left, he said he was giving it to Charlie as he's their best cook.

 

[Brad Goodman]

They clearly are great for Oscar, but overall, they alter which teams Collingwood will beat in the position - and I think it'll be less teams, as Darcy won his position very comfortably most weeks under the old rules. Time will tell though - the real test will be whether or not we win the role when we're up against blokes who can jump - we used to win those - who knows at this stage. Hopefully Oscar can also beat the other leapers in ruck contests, but it's a guess.

I wonder if Gold Coast shift to Andrew in the ruck? He might be incredible as a high leaping ruckman who gets to free wheel around the ground rather than playing defensive structure. I think teams who have leapers who are also really good in general play like him and Luke Jackson will be the real winners of the rule change.

If it decreases the frequency of DC roving his own tap and hacking it forward we probably finish ahead.

 

[sideswipe]

See sideswipe, ruckmen can be impressive

He’d still be despised by the intelligent players

 

[Bogsey]

I loved his game last night. I dont see Briggs as an elite ruckman in the comp, but he's experienced. I believe Steene has done enough to earn himself a game next week, so coming up against Draper will be a real test.

If we persist with the 2 ruck combo, the great thing it does for us structurally, is it frees DC up to float back and take more intercept marks, which looks like we'll need if Moore is out.

I think the other thing it offers is that we should gain more confidence in trying more kids out. I fear we'll have a large amount of spots to fill at the end of the season, it'll be great to see some more get a go, see what we've got!

 

[sr36]

If we persist with the 2 ruck combo, the great thing it does for us structurally, is it frees DC up to float back and take more intercept marks, which looks like we'll need if Moore is out.

I think it'll go the other way with DC spending more time up forward where he'll be Ok - particularly when we're forced to kick to a contest on the wing. The worry is if our KPDs aren't fit and having DC as an intercept marker less often.

 

[Bogsey]

I think it'll go the other way with DC spending more time up forward where he'll be Ok - particularly when we're forced to kick to a contest on the wing. The worry is if our KPDs aren't fit and having DC as an intercept marker less often.

He can clunk a mark forward and has kicked important goals for us before. But he's certainly not a natural forward. McStay and Buller were in eachothers way the first 2 rounds. Often i see Jamie and Membrey in eachothers way too.

DC took the most intercepting marks for a ruckman in the comp last year, it's very much a strength of his. And if not, he brings it to ground where we have all our half backs ready to sprint in waves.

 

[sr36]

He can clunk a mark forward and has kicked important goals for us before. But he's certainly not a natural forward. McStay and Buller were in eachothers way the first 2 rounds. Often i see Jamie and Membrey in eachothers way too.

I think Buller stuffed up a few times, but often when they're flying against each other it's intentional - defence usually has the numerical advantage and the more in the pack the less intercept marks and the more balls come to ground. If you're a glutten for punishment, rewatch how Brisbane beat is in the 3rd quarter of the prelim - bombs to packs with multiple forwards and the ball comes to ground - they weren't trying to separate.