NO TROLLS Elijah Hollands (GC-Carlton): Recent Developments & Mental Health Wellbeing

[The_Reaper]

Anyone jumping to have Elijah sacked, I urge you to take a look at yourself and hopefully come to a realisation.

The blokey culture that is rife with men in Australia is extremely counterproductive and as it is already makes it difficult for men to turn to anyone when they’re struggling. We all know that culture is magnified within a footy club. You only have to look at the number of open homosexuals in the game to know that a lot of stuff that goes against "being a man" is buried deep out of fear of being shamed or worse. An odd example but the same logic applies.

Even if, worse case scenario, this is all 100% Elijah’s fault, he’d still deserve the support of his club and not to be sacked and abandoned when he’s struggling. I highly doubt this does all fall on Elijah and Carlton instead have a lot to answer for.

You don’t sack someone at their lowest point. He may need counseling or ongoing medical attention or monitored time away from footy but not just to be cut off. This doesn’t just apply to footballers, anyone should be able to expect the support of their employer but sadly that’s rarely the case.

You say that but for many if not the majority of us rocked up to work in that condition and it was self inflicted we would be sacked on the spot.

No counselling or support

 

[DeathlyAccurate]

You say that but for many if not the majority of us rocked up to work in that condition and it was self inflicted we would be sacked on the spot.

No counselling or support

That’s exactly right and it’s part of the problem. It’s a societal thing. I’ve seen colleagues lose their job due to genuine personal struggles and even heard bosses joking about how "he’s always depressed" etc. when it’s really a serious, deeper than just a shallow excuse to joke about.

 

[parano1a]

Not a single mention of the Carlton senior players or leadership group here.

Carlton have a leadership group?

 

[.Shotties.]

No counselling or support

Yes, this is a bad thing. I assume that's the point you were trying to make.

 

[BuddysBiggestFan]

Weird article. Vossy trying to cover it up by saying he just had a bad night.


https://www.afl.com.au/news/1498376

 

[el_simo]

Theres no way this gets swept under the rug. Says more about Carlton than anything, how the could let him play

 

[gothchick92]

Weird article. Vossy trying to cover it up by saying he just had a bad night.


https://www.afl.com.au/news/1498376

The focus on Hollands' performance is quite remarkable. I understand he is the coach and all that but Vossy is either a raging moron or thinks the general public are raging morons. He comes across as callous and out of touch.

 

[Gw2_James]

The focus on Hollands' performance is quite remarkable. I understand he is the coach and all that but Vossy is either a raging moron or thinks the general public are raging morons. He comes across as callous and out of touch.

He's the worst coach in the league. It's a shame because he was a champion player and an all round nice guy, the type you want to see succeed but he just isn't a tactician. I really wanted him to succeed but i think he's had more then enough time.

 

[FAIRANDBALANCED]

If he has not taken illicit substances, which from my view is the less likely option, then absolutely he deserves support.

I am bewildered by those saying he needs to be protected if he has taken an illicit substance before a professional match and people are saying he needs to be protected. Everyone, including Elijah, knows that is cheating.

In society I am all for supporting people with drug problems and not abandoning them, but this is a professional game of football. If you play under the influence of an illicit substance you should be banned.

 

[Bostonian]

The focus on Hollands' performance is quite remarkable. I understand he is the coach and all that but Vossy is either a raging moron or thinks the general public are raging morons. He comes across as callous and out of touch.

Well why would he focus on anything else? He's obviously keeping it away from any other speculation because that's all it is at that stage, speculation.

A moron would come out and say shit they didn't have the answer for yet.

He wasn't being callous, he was being protective.

 

[zyzzbruh]

If he's on SSRIs, which is entirely plausible given his history, then not taking them in line with scheduled dosage whether by design or otherwise can potentially drive similar behaviour as far as I'm aware

That was clearly the behaviour of someone who is on ice

 

[Nathan Barley]

If he has not taken illicit substances, which from my view is the less likely option, then absolutely he deserves support.

I am bewildered by those saying he needs to be protected if he has taken an illicit substance before a professional match and people are saying he needs to be protected. Everyone, including Elijah, knows that is cheating.

In society I am all for supporting people with drug problems and not abandoning them, but this is a professional game of football. If you play under the influence of an illicit substance you should be banned.

He’ll definitely be banned

I think by protected they mean he won’t be trotted out in front of the media and publicly shamed

It’ll be mental health leave and a trip to rehab and then quietly delisted

 

[GoPies1]

I noticed how strange he was acting and actually made a comment on he Collingwood game thread that I thought he was off his chops.
Massive scandal coming up.
Hawthorn players with bags and now this!

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

If he has not taken illicit substances, which from my view is the less likely option, then absolutely he deserves support.

I am bewildered by those saying he needs to be protected if he has taken an illicit substance before a professional match and people are saying he needs to be protected. Everyone, including Elijah, knows that is cheating.

In society I am all for supporting people with drug problems and not abandoning them, but this is a professional game of football. If you play under the influence of an illicit substance you should be banned.

He deserves support either way. I think its clear he struggles moreso when the games are on and handling the pressure as opposed to just being a larrikin douchebag like some are.

Carlton need to be better in the end and well in particular Michael Voss. If he cant pick up on this before the game he isnt much of a coach

 

[Makeshift Park]

The focus on Hollands' performance is quite remarkable. I understand he is the coach and all that but Vossy is either a raging moron or thinks the general public are raging morons. He comes across as callous and out of touch.

Benefit of the doubt, it’s not Vossy’s role to be detailing any of Elijah’s psychiatric issues to a national media cohort, it’s possibly even unlawful for him to do so without Elijah’s consent.

His player was still in the throes of a significant mental health episode and he was unfortunately obligated to attend a media conference where he had to respond to questions about it. Voss did the right thing in how he answered imo.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

AFL equivalent to

Kind of a interesting story to all this that could match up

Jeff Hardy hid all day and no one could find him until his match was meant to be on. He walked past the staff went out and they noticed instantly the second they saw him he was off his chops. They then went out cost themselves a ton of money and credibility for the safety of 1 single person.

If Carlton showed 1% of the care TNA did in that situation we probably are not here today. If TNA noticed he was off his chops in less than a minute what took Carlton so long?

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

If he's on SSRIs, which is entirely plausible given his history, then not taking them in line with scheduled dosage whether by design or otherwise can potentially drive similar behaviour as far as I'm aware

You would be dizzy and basically unable to run moreso

 

[Mitchell Madness]

I noticed how strange he was acting and actually made a comment on he Collingwood game thread that I thought he was off his chops.
Massive scandal coming up.
Hawthorn players with bags and now this!

EMPTY bags. They were just doing craft

 

[CrowToon]

Interesting that some on here are happy to advocate we wait until we know more before we hang the player (I agree)

But many seem to be very willing to hang the club (which means actual humans) and player leaders before we know more (Strong disagree).

It's also a bit sad that some people who are pulling the 'let's be careful of mens mental health and support this guy' line were only too eager to absolutely obliterate an umpire. Only get into this conversation if you mean it for everyone, not just a few.

Human behaviour is very odd.

 

[Rob R]

Amazing (if he was on drugs), that it seems to be every one's fault but his own. If he was on drugs then he should be sacked today, condemned for his behaviour, urged to seek help and be used as an example of what happens if you choose to take drugs.

 

[Franko Armani]

How come his teammates knew not to give him the ball? That’s damning.

 

[gothchick92]

Well why would he focus on anything else? He's obviously keeping it away from any other speculation because that's all it is at that stage, speculation.

A moron would come out and say shit they didn't have the answer for yet.

He wasn't being callous, he was being protective.

He should have said Elijah is in a bad way and now is not the right time for questions.

 

[CrowToon]

Amazing (if he was on drugs), that it seems to be every one's fault but his own. If he was on drugs then he should be sacked today, condemned for his behaviour, urged to seek help and be used as an example of what happens if you choose to take drugs.

That would be called personal accountability and society cancelled that about 10 years ago.

It now only applies to people in positions of authority.

Repeat after me 'its always the systems fault'

 

[BarryMorgan]

Do people actually expect Voss to come out and say ‘Yeah, Elijah was off his face on drugs’, in a press conference, before anything even remotely like that was confirmed?

 

[TheCanvas69]

Do people actually expect Voss to come out and say ‘Yeah, Elijah was off his face on drugs’, in a press conference, before anything even remotely like that was confirmed?

Also isn’t it illegal for Voss to come out and say he’s got xyz, he’s on this prescription and there were issues with the dosage or he missed his schedule/accidentally doubled up?