NO TROLLS Elijah Hollands (GC-Carlton): Recent Developments & Mental Health Wellbeing

[Bald]

This, the Petracca situation, to a lesser extent the Jamarra 2024 final, shows that clubs and the league itself has far too many negligent people operating at club and league level.

 

[brutus76]

Can the AFL media now STFU?

The AFL should have sent an edict out post game to not report on him until they approve it for his own health and safety and well being

 

[Shane Heard]

This will hopefully put an end to the speculative (and irrelevant) reporting about Elijah Hollands, but it had better not be the end of the reporting about the investigation re: Carlton's mismanagement and failed duty of care.

Elijah's story is nobody's business, but Carlton's story absolutely is everybody's business.

I concur.

That club can’t get away with brushing this under the table.

They rave on about “
Duty of care” for players ..well here’s the mother of all situations in which a player needed someone to take notice and pull him out of the match.

F knows what the match day Carlton doctor was looking at.

 

[Munich]

This, the Petracca situation, to a lesser extent the Jamarra 2024 final, shows that clubs and the league itself has far too many negligent people operating at club and league level.

Bunch of private school boy w***ers parading as a serious business.

Global search to find useless Dildo Dillon.

 

[dees arent rabble]

Just heard that Elijah been admitted to hospital

 

[Daka]

Carlton have failed Hollands badly here,
I'm starting wonder if the club seriously delisted him over just mental health issues.

Since they said he was not under the influence, this is even worse saying we "knew he was struggling" and he still played?
now he is in hospital he is clearly not in a good way.

 

[Munich]

Carlton have failed Hollands badly here,
I'm starting wonder if the club seriously delisted him over just mental health issues.

Since they said he was not under the influence, this is even worse saying we "knew he was struggling" and he still played?

Yes him being on the sauce would be much better for them than this.

 

[Thrawn]

I concur.

That club can’t get away with brushing this under the table.

They rave on about “
Duty of care” for players ..well here’s the mother of all situations in which a player needed someone to take notice and pull him out of the match.

F knows what the match day Carlton doctor was looking at.

Don't really want to hear what Essendon supporters have to say about "duty of care", for I will collapse my lungs laughing.

 

[Jim Prideaux]

I was trying to wittily word something about the club but couldn't be arsed

Fair enough. I think playing for Carlton at this point is akin to accepting munchausens by proxy.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I agree with you, in fact, I'd go further than that and say that the AFL's actions show they've been full of shit on majority of the causes they champion. I find that frustrating because it devalues these issues.


I'm not sure I agree here and that may be cause I'm misreading your position. He has had issues in the past, and that doesn't automatically mean it's true this time. The main pull up has been people outright saying there's no way it's mental health in the context of panic attacks, etc and it has to be some nefarious drug/alcohol usage.

I'd personally much rather the conversation land at Carlton/AFL's feet on their handling of all this rather than whether he was on anything or not. He was clearly not right, this was allowed to play out live in front of thousands of people and aired on national media, and the risk of injury for all involved hasn't been touched on enough. Imagine the legalities involved if he got injured or caused an injury.

I suppose its just the difference in dismissing drugs or suggesting its just as likely a psychotic break as just being reasonable about what is by far the most likely scenario. I think we can be mature enough on what happened.

I think its universally agreed that the fact Carlton as a club didnt act sooner is the most shocking thing of the all incident. One of the biggest indictments on the state of a football club I can remember.

 

[carlton_99]

Yes him being on the sauce would be much better for them than this.

Not really. A player under the influence of a substance or a player having a mental health episode. Both lead to the player being incapacitated and exposed. But the former would be breaking rules/regulations and would have other ramifications especially for the player. Jon Ralph reported today Elijah told the club he wanted to play so I can understand a situation where he gets the all clear to start but when it became clear he wasn't doing well he should have been taken off earlier than he was.

 

[Travis Shanks]

Well I guess I am arguing that, none of us know where he would be if Carlton did not try and straighten him out over the last 8 months ( obviously he has talent). My point is nobody has done more to help him than Carlton and he has let them down for believing in him

Even the Carlton FC itself would veer away from this sort of deranged thinking, surely.

Carlton acquired the services of a player at a discount because of 'baggage'. In doing so, it also took on a duty of care.

Few people could have anticipated that even a shambolic outfit such as Carlton could fail to perform that duty so spectacularly.

 

[Thrawn]

Even the Carlton FC itself would veer away from this sort of deranged thinking, surely.

Carlton acquired the services of a player at a discount because of 'baggage'. In doing so, it also took on a duty of care.

Few people could have anticipated that even a shambolic outfit such as Carlton could fail to perform that duty so spectacularly.

Shambolic... that's being generous...

 

[Shane Heard]

Don't really want to hear what Essendon supporters have to say about "duty of care", for I will collapse my lungs laughing.

On the contrary…we know more than anyone how important it is.

We lived it.

I think Voss is as dumb as dog shit and probably waved away any concerns brought to him before and during the match.

I just can’t understand how they didn’t think something was dreadfully wrong with EH by at least half time.

I’d like to see the vision of the rooms at half time ..

 

[Former Decathlete]

Liked Dan Gorringe's take on the Hollands situation, their guy is clearly going through something and old man media being desperate to get the scoop or predatory as ****.

Nobody is owed the reason for why he's struggling, you aren't owed the right to an explanation. Leave the poor bloke alone and let him battle it in his own time.

People's mental health is not your excuse to get clicks.

But that isn't the focus.
The focus is on the incompetence of the Carlton club staff.

And we are well and truly owed an explanation on that.

Why?

Because the AFL is constantly telling the consumer (all of us ) that the reason for expensive ticket prices, kayo, hot dogs, pies etc etc is because this is a professional world class sporting competition.

And it's clearly not. So why the **** are we paying so much for a bush league?

Most players can't kick with two feet
A tribunal member missed a hearing driving to an open for inspection
An umpire works at sportsbet
The Hollands incident

Bush league

And hilarious Gorringe talks about "old man media" when he's conservative as **** and the first bloke to brown nose those in power.

 

[Thrawn]

On the contrary…we know more than anyone how important it is.

We lived it.

I think Voss is as dumb as dog shit and probably waved away any concerns brought to him before and during the match.

I just can’t understand how they didn’t think something was dreadfully wrong with EH by at least half time.

I’d like to see the vision of the rooms at half time ..

You lived it all right.

With waving "we love Hirdy" flags.

Meanwhile I haven't seen a single Carlton supporter on here defending the club's actions. How could they?

 

[Jim Prideaux]

Just heard that Elijah been admitted to hospital

Awful if true, but hopefully this is the beginning of him getting the help he needs.

It’s a shame he has become the story, because he isn’t. Carlton and the AFL are. Some serious change needs to occur due to this.

 

[banzai]

Can the AFL media now STFU?

The AFL should have sent an edict out post game to not report on him until they approve it for his own health and safety and well being

Voss just dismissed it as a bad game in the post match, why would the AFL have acted straight away?

 

[Elixuh]

My heart goes out to Elijah, and I’m really sorry he’s going through all of this so publicly.

But I don’t for one minute believe that this isn’t an orchestrated ploy to shut the whole thing down.

Yikes, bad take. I don’t think you know how admissions like this happen, LAD. You can’t just walk in off the street and say admit me.

I’d say it’s likely he had now had a genuine mental breakdown, especially with all of the pressure and coverage this has gotten and the implications for his career.

 

[Fino]

Seriously, get his face out of the news.
Sure cover Carlton’s role and the investigation, but use anonymising language in reference to Hollands and stop playing the footage of him on a loop all day and night. This isn’t a regular scandal, it’s the life of a 23 year old kid.

The psychopathic vultures of journalism with no code of conduct or ethics guidelines have dug the graves of struggling young people many times over the years

Adult*

 

[Royal Chode]

Tom Morris reporting live from outside Elijah’s hospital room

 

[zigipop]

You lived it all right.

With waving "we love Hirdy" flags.

Meanwhile I haven't seen a single Carlton supporter on here defending the club's actions. How could they?

Supporters opinions aren't worth a pinch of sh1t. We have seen your coach and the CEO brush it aside.

 

[brutus76]

Voss just dismissed it as a bad game in the post match, why would the AFL have acted straight away?

This is why you need independent medical officers on GameDay.

 

[Thrawn]

Supporters opinions aren't worth a pinch of sh1t. We have seen your coach and the CEO brush it aside.

They suddenly matter when they force a board spill, which I'd like to see happen.

 

[Grumpyshades]

This is rich coming from a Club that won flags using a player with known drug issues. I get the moral high ground is fun, but do you think we forget the Ben Cousins era?

how could anyone forget ? The whole AFL's, media etc sole objective was to destroy the club and regurgitate the same story for years
as opposed to the endless endless drug offences since which has been followed by excuses, sweep sweep sweep, mental health etc

but but the Cousins story was far worse...yes there are people actually dumb and spoon fed enough to believe this