VAFA General Discussion

[bedford]

FWIW new vafa president creating a big footy account and the Herald Sun doing a write up on Div1-Div4 recruits, what other nuggets does 2024 have in store? Bedford as the new mod?

Happy to accept fwiw

 

[Jimmyjack]

Yes if you are not a $30k per year minimum private schoolboy, you wont be able to play in VAFA

Big statement. Based on your assessment the VAFA would not be able to fill two divsions. Where would the ACC and independent based schools play?

 

[Manang Rover]

Big statement. Based on your assessment the VAFA would not be able to fill two divsions. Where would the ACC and independent based schools play?

Tongue in Cheek

 

[2s Hack]

I think that’s a stretch. Their admin costs are now split between much fewer clubs. Clubs fees always covered umpires as well so im not sure how that’ll “cut costs”.

I don’t think they’d be paying any costs on finals grounds either, there usually a deal cut with canteen earnings etc.

Don't be surprised

 

[SeaSide]

Where are St Bernards, De La, Mazenod, Aquinas, St Bedes, Marcellin, etc going???

They're staying.

 

[FWIW]

FWIW what are the thoughts on the reduced reserves qtr lengths? It is quite a sizable reduction (half a qtr) when compared to seniors qtrs that can now average 45 mins more per match.

 

[Champ or Chump]

No they don't, it's subs mate not match payments. All it covers is a blokes fee to be able to play, which helps clubs...which helps the VAFA.

What a stupid thing to fire up about but you do you

I agree it's not a big deal and SHOULD be allowed in every competition ....... but ...... technically, AM is correct. Any form of financial inducement is not allowed in the VAFA including payments of subs and/or merchandise, players kit, etc.

In semi-professional clubs anything like that must be allocated to the TPP as the AFL Advisory board has recently released a statement to all competitions on how it must comply so that it can give equity across the competitions.

Again, I actually think this is a step too far and could be a blocker to maximizing player participation across ALL leagues and will be further discussed at future meetings with AFL Vic I would imagine. Lets focus on the big stuff, not the small instances that support more players playing.

 

[AM]

I agree it's not a big deal and SHOULD be allowed in every competition ....... but ...... technically, AM is correct. Any form of financial inducement is not allowed in the VAFA including payments of subs and/or merchandise, players kit, etc.

In semi-professional clubs anything like that must be allocated to the TPP as the AFL Advisory board has recently released a statement to all competitions on how it must comply so that it can give equity across the competitions.

Again, I actually think this is a step too far and could be a blocker to maximizing player participation across ALL leagues and will be further discussed at future meetings with AFL Vic I would imagine. Lets focus on the big stuff, not the small instances that support more players playing.

Agree with most of that CC.

I’m not sure which is missed most, the Hoes leaving the VAFA or you leaving this board. Love your savvy, interesting posts. Don’t be a stranger. The board is better with your presence.

 

[Mounzer11]

I agree it's not a big deal and SHOULD be allowed in every competition ....... but ...... technically, AM is correct. Any form of financial inducement is not allowed in the VAFA including payments of subs and/or merchandise, players kit, etc.

In semi-professional clubs anything like that must be allocated to the TPP as the AFL Advisory board has recently released a statement to all competitions on how it must comply so that it can give equity across the competitions.

Again, I actually think this is a step too far and could be a blocker to maximizing player participation across ALL leagues and will be further discussed at future meetings with AFL Vic I would imagine. Lets focus on the big stuff, not the small instances that support more players playing.

Speaking of inducements, did anyone read the article in The Age today regarding how clubs are getting around the salary cap??

 

[bedford]

Speaking of inducements, did anyone read the article in The Age today regarding how clubs are getting around the salary cap??

Wasn't it on Code ?

 

[Mounzer11]

Wasn't it on Code ?

Must be on both.

 

[bedford]

Must be on both.

Wasn't much of a story on Code

 

[Max Leader]

Wasn't it on Code ?

Big story in the Age.

A lot of “I know this but I won’t dob in”.

Most of the penalties have come from self reporting or “timing issues”.

I believe VAFA football will be destroyed if this isn’t rectified or if higher salary caps are introduced.

Allowing a Heidelberg to pay $200k, would see most competing clubs fold and Heidelbergs junior club with have 10 x Under 15 teams so the will qualify these players as 1 pointers.

Is the VAFA clean, most likely not.

 

[bedford]

Big story in the Age.

A lot of “I know this but I won’t dob in”.

Most of the penalties have come from self reporting or “timing issues”.

I believe VAFA football will be destroyed if this isn’t rectified or if higher salary caps are introduced.

Allowing a Heidelberg to pay $200k, would see most competing clubs fold and Heidelbergs junior club with have 10 x Under 15 teams so the will qualify these players as 1 pointers.

Is the VAFA clean, most likely not.

Wish i can open it

 

[Max Leader]

Wish i can open it

A local footy coach offered a star player $15,000. The response floored him

A special investigation by The Age reveals widespread concerns over excessive player payments in grassroots football.

www.theage.com.au

Try this

 

[bedford]

A local footy coach offered a star player $15,000. The response floored him

A special investigation by The Age reveals widespread concerns over excessive player payments in grassroots football.

www.theage.com.au

Try this

Said i have to pay

 

[Max Leader]

Said i have to pay

Sorry

 

[bedford]

Sorry

Ive got it now. They should do one on the VAFA , who was the last club to get done ? i thought it was Peninsula

 

[Champ or Chump]

Big story in the Age.

A lot of “I know this but I won’t dob in”.

Most of the penalties have come from self reporting or “timing issues”.

I believe VAFA football will be destroyed if this isn’t rectified or if higher salary caps are introduced.

Allowing a Heidelberg to pay $200k, would see most competing clubs fold and Heidelbergs junior club with have 10 x Under 15 teams so the will qualify these players as 1 pointers.

Is the VAFA clean, most likely not.

Max please.

Salary caps have been getting 'rorted' as long as 'no payments in ammo's' has across all states of local football for as long as I can recall ...... and as you know, I'm long in the tooth.

Salary caps 20 years ago were over $200k and the VAFA survived like it always did - supporting players via their extensive networks.

The demise of some clubs/Divisons of the VAFA are due (in part) to HQ looking at a way it can be sustainable and no longer wanting to be the largest.... at all costs.

With this in mind, whatever other competitions are paying will not hinder the top end of town and the football elite in the foreseeable future.

 

[Max Leader]

Ive got it now. They should do one on the VAFA , who was the last club to get done ? i thought it was Peninsula

OM’s got done late in the 90’s or early 2000’s.

 

[bedford]

OM’s got done late in the 90’s or early 2000’s.

I think it was the OP's coaches wife after they broke up that lagged them

 

[Max Leader]

Max please.

Salary caps have been getting 'rorted' as long as 'no payments in ammo's' has across all states of local football for as long as I can recall ...... and as you know, I'm long in the tooth.

Salary caps 20 years ago were over $200k and the VAFA survived like it always did - supporting players via their extensive networks.

The demise of some clubs/Divisons of the VAFA are due (in part) to HQ looking at a way it can be sustainable and no longer wanting to be the largest.... at all costs.

With this in mind, whatever other competitions are paying will not hinder the top end of town and the football elite in the foreseeable future.

100% agree with what happened in past.

Now if your president and committee had to raise $200k in player payments, the stress it will cause (I believe) would be insurmountable. Have one year of fund raising and a club could go to the wall.

I have said this before.

There will be a Premier Division of local football, where the salary cap will be $300k to $400k.

A little like the VFA in the 60’s and 70’s where players chose to not pursue VFL as there was more money elsewhere. The current VFL will be decimated, leaving only players who think they will be drafted staying.

The major VAFA clubs will find away to get the money, then it will be on.

I also believe that VAFA will be a 5 division comp very soon.

But what would I know.

 

[bedford]

100% agree with what happened in past.

Now if your president and committee had to raise $200k in player payments, the stress it will cause (I believe) would be insurmountable. Have one year of fund raising and a club could go to the wall.

I have said this before.

There will be a Premier Division of local football, where the salary cap will be $300k to $400k.

A little like the VFA in the 60’s and 70’s where players chose to not pursue VFL as there was more money elsewhere. The current VFL will be decimated, leaving only players who think they will be drafted staying.

The major VAFA clubs will find away to get the money, then it will be on.

I also believe that VAFA will be a 5 division comp very soon.

But what would I know.

5 grades will be spot on

 

[outside_off]

5 grades will be spot on

What happens when 1 of the teams in the 5th grade leaves. Then following year same happens.

The footy landscape had changed and VAFA needs to evolve with the times. Change is necessary or it will be a death by a thousand cuts.

 

[Champ or Chump]

100% agree with what happened in past.

Now if your president and committee had to raise $200k in player payments, the stress it will cause (I believe) would be insurmountable. Have one year of fund raising and a club could go to the wall.

I have said this before.

There will be a Premier Division of local football, where the salary cap will be $300k to $400k.

A little like the VFA in the 60’s and 70’s where players chose to not pursue VFL as there was more money elsewhere. The current VFL will be decimated, leaving only players who think they will be drafted staying.

The major VAFA clubs will find away to get the money, then it will be on.

I also believe that VAFA will be a 5 division comp very soon.

But what would I know.

Agree fundraising would be stressful for all semi-professional clubs - absolutely.

Agree some clubs would already be spending $300k - $400k and I think that is ludicrous personally, but pub talk suggests it is happening.

VAFA clubs already 'find a way' - have for some time - and you and I could personally run through a host of them over a beer or two that we are aware of.

And absolutely the vafa will decrease in size - and by design IMO

 

[Champ or Chump]

Agree with most of that CC.

I’m not sure which is missed most, the Hoes leaving the VAFA or you leaving this board. Love your savvy, interesting posts. Don’t be a stranger. The board is better with your presence.

Thanks AM, but just an old bloke who loves local football